EVOLUTION, what a lie.

[Tristesse]

Response: Amazing. You post the definition of "theory", read it, and still can't understand the meaning. Nowhere, even in the definition which you've provided, does it say that a "theory" is a fact. The word "fact" is not even there.

This alone holds as evidence of how a person is programmed. You've been programmed so severely that you can't even comprehend what you've read. How unfortunate it is.

Ok, someone is confusing a scientific theory with the everyday use of the word. When scientists use the word theory, it has a different meaning to normal everyday use. In science, a theory is not a guess, not a hunch. It's a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations.Some people think that in science, you have a theory, and once it's proven, it becomes a law. That's not how it works.A theory never becomes a law. In fact, if there was a hierarchy of science, theories would be higher than laws. There is nothing higher, or better, than a theory.These explanations are called theories, and will always be theories. They can't be changed into laws, because laws are different things. Laws describe, and theories explain.Just because it's called a theory of gravity, doesn't mean that it's just a guess.The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is our best explanation for the fact of evolution. This is what a scientific theory is.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

But those test mean nothing to you because you refuse to take them and hold on to your belief of no Allah and ToE as truth. Thus the ongoing circle continues.

They mean nothing because they are methodologically worthless.

 

[Autodidact]

Response: When you start to claim that you've actually seen a species evolve into another in front of your own eyes, you've either reached a level of brainwashing so strong that either your sight has become delusional or your denial is so severe that you have to claim something you didn't see just to make yourself look good. When that's the case, it becomes very sad on your part and only makes you look extremely absurd, not the other way around.

Circular reasoning:

1. Species don't evolve.
But here's an example of a new species evolving!
2. It couldn't be. I already knew that species don't evolve. You must be lying.

It's like an impenetrable force field against facts you don't like.

Unfortunately, it also excludes all of science, but Fatihah doesn't seem to mind. He'd rather have religion than science.

 

[Autodidact]

Response: Of course I do. I understand it completely. You are an atheist who refuses to believe in God? Why? Because you can't see God. Understandible. But there are somethings which require sight for you to see as proof while others don't. Allah is one of them but you refuse to accept any evidence of it because you can't see him, despite the fact that you and I know that we both exists yet we can't see each other.

Please debate Allah vs. atheism somewhere else. This thread is about evolution.

So you've held on to your belief of ToE, not because you've seen a species evolve into another yourself (if you are honest) but because scientists have said so.

Yes, and because science has an excellent mechanism (replicability) to verify this data. I have now told you this ten times.

Science and scientists are reliable because science can be tested and proven.

Yup.

So when a scientists says that ToE is true, you rely on them as telling the truth, despite the fact that you've never seen it yourself.

Not a scientist. All the scientists.

Then when we add to the notion that you and atheist alike seem to think that all theists believe in the existence of God and the truth of their scripture simply because a book said so, you put all theist in a bubble despite the fact that not once have I resorted my argument to such things. There is a reason why I continuously say, "I see a statement. Where's the proof?" Because this same formula I use to you and others is the same I used to the qur'an. I don't believe blindly. In other words, just like science, muslims, do test the qur'an. But those test mean nothing to you because you refuse to take them and hold on to your belief of no Allah and ToE as truth. Thus the ongoing circle continues.

Start a thread. Start a thread. Start a thread.

Remember, in this thread, Allah is the creator of all.

Why do I bother?

Tell me friends, how many times do you think I've said this Fatihah? Do you think he's brain-damaged, or what?

 

[Fatihah]

Ok, someone is confusing a scientific theory with the everyday use of the word. When scientists use the word theory, it has a different meaning to normal everyday use. In science, a theory is not a guess, not a hunch. It's a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations.Some people think that in science, you have a theory, and once it's proven, it becomes a law. That's not how it works.A theory never becomes a law. In fact, if there was a hierarchy of science, theories would be higher than laws. There is nothing higher, or better, than a theory.These explanations are called theories, and will always be theories. They can't be changed into laws, because laws are different things. Laws describe, and theories explain.Just because it's called a theory of gravity, doesn't mean that it's just a guess.The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is our best explanation for the fact of evolution. This is what a scientific theory is.

Response: There is no confusion at all. I agree with all of the above. A theory means exactly what it says. A theory can be applied to anything, not just science. A theory is an eplanation supported by factual evidence but the explanation or conclusion is not a fact. Scientific theory is a compound word. Therefore, a scientific theory is an explanation of scientific factual evidence. A crime investigator can have a theory in which he his explanation of the crime is based on factual evidence. That would be his investigation theory or crimimal theory. I can have a theory of something. Anyone can have a theory. But no matter how you use the word and what the theory is, it's still not a fact in the conclusion. It is an explanation supported by facts. That's why it's called a theory.

 

[Fatihah]

They mean nothing because they are methodologically worthless.

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?

 

[Breathe]

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?

Why do you keep saying that?

 

[Fatihah]

Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry:the·o·ry Pronunciation: \Èth-Y-r, Èthir-\ Function:noun Inflected Form(s):plural the·o·riesEtymology:Late Latin theoria, from Greek theMria, from theMreinDate:1592 1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another2: abstract thought : speculation3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>4 a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b: an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory<in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>6 a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b: an unproved assumption : conjecture c: a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>synonyms see hypothesis

Here is uncontrovertible evidence that Fatihah is wrong. I predict that he will not admit this, but continue to spew falsehoods, as is his habit.[/QUOTE]

Response: On the contrary, that only shows your own inability to comprehend.

 

[Autodidact]

Here is uncontrovertible evidence that Fatihah is wrong. I predict that he will not admit this, but continue to spew falsehoods, as is his habit.

Response: On the contrary, that only shows your own inability to comprehend.[/quote]

Again, I leave it to our readers to determine our respective honesty and comprehension. Would you like me to poll the thread?

 

[Breathe]

Again, I leave it to our readers to determine our respective honesty and comprehension. Would you like me to poll the thread?

I would! :yes:
(I love polls. )

 

[Fatihah]

Why do you keep saying that?

Response: Because the person is providing a statement with no proof.

 

[Autodidact]

evidence

 

[Breathe]

Response: Because the person is providing a statement with no proof.

But...(staying on topic) evolution has overwhelming evidence. o_o;

Do you believe that all these breeds of dogs and cats out there are original and from the beginning of creation, or that a human isn't half of each parent? What about human skin tone? I suppose, in a way you could say these are all mini-evolutions, but that doesn't do it justice entirely.

Animals adapt as well, they have been

What about the London underground mosquitos? Or those birds (painted wolf, was it you who said about this? ) on that island?

Do Muslims really believe that these things just appeared about of, basically, thin air?

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE Autodidact]
Yes, and because science has an excellent mechanism (replicability) to verify this data. I have now told you this ten times.(End quote)

Response: Then this would be the 11th time in which I've said that ToE requires a person seeing a species evolve into another which doesn't happen.

(/Quote Autodidact)
Yup.(End Quote)

Response: Nope.

(Quote Autodidact)
Not a scientist. All the scientists.(End quote)

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?

 

[tumbleweed41]

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?

The proof is all around you, but you have let the weakness of your faith blind you.
Pity....

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE Odion]But...(staying on topic) evolution has overwhelming evidence. o_o;

Do you believe that all these breeds of dogs and cats out there are original and from the beginning of creation, or that a human isn't half of each parent? What about human skin tone? I suppose, in a way you could say these are all mini-evolutions, but that doesn't do it justice entirely.(End quote)

Response: Yes, the animals were originally created and so were humans.

(Quote Odion)
Animals adapt as well, they have been

What about the London underground mosquitos? Or those birds (painted wolf, was it you who said about this? ) on that island?(End quote)

Response: No one has seen the mosquito evolve. According to the report, they discovered a mosquito and instead of it simply being another kind of mosquito, they want us to believe that it evoved. You can't know it evolved without seeing it do so.

(Quote Odion)
Do Muslims really believe that these things just appeared about of, basically, thin air? (End quote)

Response: Not at all. The species could have always existed and yet they've just discovered it. Or the whole report is a lie in the first place. Every single insect in the world is not known.

 

[painted wolf]

Perhaps if we knew what Fatihah defines "proof" as?

What would 'proof' be to you?

wa:do

 

[Breathe]

Response: Yes, the animals were originally created and so were humans.

Even the sub-breeds of dog and cat?
So when God created the Earth, he created the, dachshund, great dane, chihuahua, the Tibetan mastiff, the bulldog, rottweiler?

Response: No one has seen the mosquito evolve. According to the report, they discovered a mosquito and instead of it simply being another kind of mosquito, they want us to believe that it evoved. You can't know it evolved without seeing it do so.

Um. Not quite... Scientists aren't that naïve to go "oooh, it must be evolution!", it's from sampling, cross-comparison, etc.

Response: Not at all. The species could have always existed and yet they've just discovered it. Or the whole report is a lie in the first place. Every single insect in the world is not known.

Ah, sorry, I meant do you believe that all of the animals in creation just went "poof" into existence, dachshund and mastiff and all, all suddenly appeared at once?

 

[JMorris]

Perhaps if we knew what Fatihah defines "proof" as?

What would 'proof' be to you?

wa:do

the only thing he would accept is if it said it in the quran. at this point, i dont know whats crazier, that somebody can be as willfully ignorant as he is, or that people still bother trying to talk to him, much less convince him. he is a cartoon character, hell, he even has catchphrases! "response:" "Theres the statement. Wheres the proof?". he belongs on Loony Tunes

*edit* i forgot his other catchphrase "Likewise"

 

[Fatihah]

Response: On the contrary, that only shows your own inability to comprehend.

Again, I leave it to our readers to determine our respective honesty and comprehension. Would you like me to poll the thread?[/QUOTE]

Response: Another example of your own vanity.