EVOLUTION, what a lie.

[DarkSun]

LMFAO
religion and science DO NOT, WILL NOT, AND HAVE NOT EVER gone hand in hand, it just doesnt wrk like that. You cant pick and choose which parts of each you like. You get one or the other, or you condemn yourself to hell according to your own beliefs, correct?

Obviously not according to his beliefs. Otherwise he wouldn't believe it.

Also... I don't see why people are arguing over whether God caused evolution, abiogenesis, stellar nucleosynthesis and the Big Bang. Fifty pages ago, it would have been a good thing is eselam agreed to this. Why the change? Is something that can't be proven really worth getting upset over? Personally, as long as people admit that belief or disbelief in God has nothing to do with science (since science doesn't address God), then I don't see what the problem is.

 

[DarkSun]

Thief, you say god did it, I could just as equally say my cuddly toy did it.We have the same amount of evidence for both propositions: zero. The only difference is we do have evidence my cuddly toy exists.

The cuddly toy didn't exist until it was made by people. How could it have been around in its current form at the "beginning"? :sarcastic

I think you're just trying too hard to make someone sound silly just because you disagree with them. Am I wrong?

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

The cuddly toy didn't exist until it was made by people. How could it have been around in its current form at the "beginning"? :sarcastic

But who says God existed before it was made by people?

 

[DarkSun]

But who says God existed before it was made by people?

Nice play on words.

And you obviously don't... But that's a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact.

Can't we just agree to disagree everyone? This disagreement about whether God exists is arbitrary.

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

Can't we just agree to disagree everyone? This disagreement about whether God exists is arbitrary.

I have a problem agreeing or disagreeing with something that nobody ever defined really.

But apart of that i do only have a problem with other peoples "opinions" if these opinions have an effect on me. And certainly some peoples opinions about their specific Gods do have an effect on me and my freedom to live.
As for those that simply believe in some God alone without affecting me ... well it is for me like any other superstitious belief (including astrology). Let everybody be happy with his views.

 

[DarkSun]

I have a problem agreeing or disagreeing with something that nobody ever defined really.

But apart of that i do only have a problem with other peoples "opinions" if these opinions have an effect on me. And certainly some peoples opinions about their specific Gods do have an effect on me and my freedom to live.
As for those that simply believe in some God alone without affecting me ... well it is for me like any other superstitious belief (including astrology). Let everybody be happy with his views.

People who are pushy with their beliefs are annoying. I had some Mormons knock on my door this morning. I scared them away with coffee.

 

[DarkSun]

Not to be discriminatory against Mormons there. I just think the whole missionary thing should be re-scheduled to a later time.

 

[Thief]

I have a problem agreeing or disagreeing with something that nobody ever defined really.

But apart of that i do only have a problem with other peoples "opinions" if these opinions have an effect on me. And certainly some peoples opinions about their specific Gods do have an effect on me and my freedom to live.
As for those that simply believe in some God alone without affecting me ... well it is for me like any other superstitious belief (including astrology). Let everybody be happy with his views.

But you spend your time and effort...in a religious forum....exposing yourself to someone else's opinion....voluntarily risking your own viewpoint in discussion that could change your viewpoint!

Are you sure you want to be here?
And of course no one is twisting your arm...how could you type?

 

[skydivephil]

The cuddly toy didn't exist until it was made by people. How could it have been around in its current form at the "beginning"? :sarcastic

I think you're just trying too hard to make someone sound silly just because you disagree with them. Am I wrong?

Maybe the cuddly toy went backwards in time. If one wants to solve problems of our knowledge by invoking magic, there's more than one way to do it. What Im trying to do is demonstrate that simply making a claim without evidence like "god did it" is just as silly as any other claim made without evidence.

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

But you spend your time and effort...in a religious forum....exposing yourself to someone else's opinion....voluntarily risking your own viewpoint in discussion that could change your viewpoint!

You make it sound as if it were an evil to be open to other peoples opinions and viewpoints.
I simply have a different attitude. My viewpoint is not fixed, so i do not "risk" anything by exposing myself to other ideas. As long as my viewpoint is grounded on solid evidence that is available at the time i am content.

 

[DarkSun]

Maybe the cuddly toy went backwards in time. If one wants to solve problems of our knowledge by invoking magic, there's more than one way to do it. What Im trying to do is demonstrate that simply making a claim without evidence like "god did it" is just as silly as any other claim made without evidence.

God didn't do it. I base this on absolutely nothing.

No wait. I can't make statements without any evidence.

Anyway. I'm going to be quiet now before this turns into that other thread.

 

[McBell]

God didn't do it. I base this on absolutely nothing.

*hums politely whilst biting tongue*

 

[DarkSun]

*hums politely whilst biting tongue*

Oh. Of course. You're right. Any set definition of God can be disproven. And disbelief in God is exactly the same as disbelief in invisible pixies and that the moon is made of cheese. And it is more logical to disbelieve in God because there is no evidence to support God's existence...

Now you can insert my argument for me if you want.

Also... you can hum while biting your tongue?

Let me try!

 

[DarkSun]

That hurt... :sad4:

 

[McBell]

Oh. Of course. You're right. Any set definition of God can be disproven. And disbelief in God is exactly the same as disbelief in invisible pixies and that the moon is made of cheese. And it is more logical to disbelieve in God because there is no evidence to support God's existence...

Now you can insert my argument for me if you want.

Also... you can hum while biting your tongue?

Let me try!

*yawn*
wow.
You do not do a half arsed job when you set you mind to completely miss a point.

 

[DarkSun]

*yawn*
wow.
You do not do a half arsed job when you set you mind to completely miss a point.

I don't have sufficient evidence to believe that I'm missing the point. Sorry, that means you're wrong.

 

[McBell]

I don't have sufficient evidence to believe that I'm missing the point. Sorry, that means you're wrong.

 

[Thief]

I have a problem agreeing or disagreeing with something that nobody ever defined really.

But apart of that i do only have a problem with other peoples "opinions" if these opinions have an effect on me. And certainly some peoples opinions about their specific Gods do have an effect on me and my freedom to live.
As for those that simply believe in some God alone without affecting me ... well it is for me like any other superstitious belief (including astrology). Let everybody be happy with his views.

Well this did seem to be a posting of discontent.
It seemed as if you had a problem.
But if you were able to resolve it quickly......good.

 

[DarkSun]

I'm glad we agree.

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

Well this did seem to be a posting of discontent.
It seemed as if you had a problem.
But if you were able to resolve it quickly......good.

I am not really sure what you mean.
I surely disagree with some ideas and agree with others.
And sometimes an idea is to vague to actually agree or disagree at all.

When it comes to the cosmological argument i simply hold the opinion that its neither a proof for "god" nor any final proof for anything at all.

The idea of a creator is in my view senseless in relation to the real world religions as most arguments deal with an abstract creator being instead of the concrete theistic one.