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Ex-Christian apologizes to everyone

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
The question may as well be that if you are mistaken about anything at all and later you find out that what you believed was not true or that you changed your own beliefs, would you be obligated to go and find anyone you shared what you believed with and tell them you find that you are now (or at least feel as though) mistaken? If we all did that, our whole lives would be filled with trying to find all the people we need to apologize to. I, personally, have changed my mind on many things- including things that I shared with others.

*I personally don't believe in scaring children or anyone else into believing, no matter what you believe. It is wrong.
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
The question may as well be that if you are mistaken about anything at all and later you find out that what you believed was not true or that you changed your own beliefs, would you be obligated to go and find anyone you shared what you believed with and tell them you find that you are now (or at least feel as though) mistaken?

Why should we ? I do not believe that we need to look at others and say I am right and you wrong. Today I have no problem with Christians. I was not 100% wrong when I was a Christian. I learned a lot from my faith at that time. It's only my job to be the best person I can and serve others. To speak the truth as I see it and change my mind when I see that I am wrong. Since I am a Hindu and I tend to hinduize everything. I still feel I am following the teachings of Christ. It is all of our jobs to speak out against bad behavior. I will also argue when I believe that others are not following the logic of their own belief systems.
 
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Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
And easy - very easy - for a person biased against Christianity to accept that the woman is legitimate.

What do you think the odds are there isn't at least one such woman in a population of over 200 million Christians? Just curious what you think here. I'm not looking for an argument this time.
 

footprints

Well-Known Member
I don't doubt that in a nation of over 200 million Christians, there might be at least one former Christian who sincerely feels guilty about what she thinks she did to others in the name of Christ. But I do think it could be hard -- very hard -- for a practicing Christian to accept that the woman was legitimate.

I would say you were right, if a person has something to feel guilty about, decent people generally apologise, albeit, generally they do it personally to the people they have wronged. This is where the greater benefit comes from.

Albeit this applies to all people, Atheist who convert to Theism wouldn't be the exception, and I am sure some of these convertees have apologised for their past life as well and the hurt and wrongs they perpetrated on people.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Sunstone - I am sure there may be people out there who feel compelled to make "mass apologies" to any and everyone - for either real or imagined wrongs they committed in the past.

That doesn't mean much though - it's really not all that compelling. I mean, just watch the Jerry Springer show or World's Dumbest (fill in the blank) if you don't think people will do or say just about anything to get a reaction (or money or drugs or whatever it is they're after).
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
IF the blogger was really ever even a Christian - which would be just about impossible to prove one way or the other.

Lots of weirdos out there in blogland.

Suspicious much? If you're wondering, you can read her blog in order and watch her change. You might also enjoy Julia Sweeney's Letting Go of God.
 

footprints

Well-Known Member
No, it was purely voluntary on her part. No one required or even asked her for it.

And you know that how Auto?

Or are you just taking her word for it. And if that is the case are you going to take everybody's word on face value, or only those who support your personal view?
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
footprints: I'm just going to put you on ignore. Please don't bother addressing me; I'm not interested in conversing with you.
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
True...it was never required...but it was certainly celebrated and I'm not sure why.
 

dogsgod

Well-Known Member
I apologize for giving money to the church. I apologize for helping to support and pay for a building that stands empty six days a week.

I apologize for giving my hard earned cash to pay an enormous utility bill on a mostly empty church building.

I wish I would have given all that money to alleviate real human suffering. To purify drinking water, to build a third world hospital, to educate a child living in a slum, to improve an orphanage, to further research on diseases, to clothe the naked, feed the hungry, heal the sick, reform the prisoners, but instead so much of my available funds have up until now, been sucked into a huge building that gets used once a week by wealthy over -fed Americans who get upset if the sanctuary is not adequately cooled in July.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Suspicious much? If you're wondering, you can read her blog in order and watch her change. You might also enjoy Julia Sweeney's Letting Go of God.

I'll read it if you read CS Lewis' Mere Christianity, which he wrote after "converting" from atheism.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
I'll read it if you read CS Lewis' Mere Christianity, which he wrote after "converting" from atheism.

Actually it's a stage show and CD. Not interested in the C.S. Lewis, thanks, only so many days on earth I can use to actually learn something.
 

sonofskeptish

It is what it is
Is an atheist really so low they require an apology from ex-Christians?

I don't think atheists would care one way or another. The apology is from a sunday school teacher to the real victims... the children who's minds were filled with lies from a position of trust and authority... an apology for the rape of their young minds.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
OK, then, no deal. I prefer to be more selective about how I spend my time as well.

As for the blog - Lord, deliver me from such drivel. If the excerpt from the OP is anything like the rest of it, I would rather read "The DaVinci Code" (trust me, that's not a complimentary statement).
 
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DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
OK, then, no deal. I prefer to be more selective about how I spend my time as well.

As for the blog - Lord, deliver me from such drivel. If the excerpt from the OP is anything like the rest of it, I would rather read "The DaVinci Code" (trust me, that's not a complimentary statement).

I think the Davinci Code its fascinating!!!


To the OP ...if you feel released and at peace of heart then thats all good.Its your heart ..You know where its at.

Love

Dallas
 

T-Dawg

Self-appointed Lunatic
From the excerpts, it sounded like she was a bit overdramatic, but I can see her point - she wasn't apologizing for being Christian, she was apologizing for destroying the minds of all those children. And if I had tought children to believe in Christianity back when I was a member of that terrible institution, I would apologize for it, too.

Teaching children to believe in Jesus is one thing. Jesus was a great guy, possibly the son of God (although definitely a different God than the Christian God), and had teachings that everyone needed. I consider him the foundation of socialism and liberalism as we know it today - love sinners, care for the poor, avoid judging others, and give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.

But Christianity as we know it today has nothing to do with those ideals or that messiah. They follow the teachings of Paul, who is the foundation of social conservatism as we know it today - Paul was the man who said that women should not be allowed to speak in church, the man who said that all authority was put in place by God and we should follow it, and the man who put homosexuality on the same level as gossip and stealing. Modern day Christianity indoctrinates children with the idea of a tyrannical God, it teaches them to do what their pastor says or else risk going to Hell, it teaches them to live by a restrictive "moral" code or go to Hell, and it teaches them that everyone who is not like them is going to Hell, and that it is their duty to similarly indoctrinate everyone else they meet, so that they don't go to Hell. The result is that the child blindly follows authority, associates pleasure with sin, and they are ostracised from the rest of the community and can't see why.

I for one believe that the Bible should not be read to children, at least not the Old Testament. How a book with so many "adult themes" (incest, polygamy, prostitution, murder, adultery...) got a status of being a necessary book for child development is beyond me.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I think the Davinci Code its fascinating!!!

Oh, well, to each his own. I don't much care for fiction.

Real history and real sociological issues interest me a lot more. But that's just me.
 
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