I should've said people haven't given me "good reasons." I could give you good reasons to do something, but if the reasons weren't sufficent you'd be under no obligation to believe/follow them
Since you are apparently a slave to what the Bible says nothing, even the most obvious rational explanation, will be good enough.
God's not really blackmailing us.
Except he is; calling it something prettier doesn't change what it is.
We're sinners and destined for hell.
Because of how God designed us, and the system he put into place. Are we humans, even at this advanced stage of our evolution, capable of created an extra-dimensional place like Hell? No we are not. Can we divert or direct the soul of a person to some such place using our own technology or some magic spell? No, we can not. Who is? God. And only God. Anyone going to Hell does so because of God, who created Hell.
If people had any control over where their soul flew after death, nobody would choose Hell. If we had any actual control, as you falsely assert, heck, nobody would die at all.
You simply wish to place the blame on people, and avoid blaming God; but the premise is absurd.
God provided us with an escape from that punishment. We weren't perfect beings and he then gave us the choice of following him or eternal punishment and separation.
And taht pair of choices shows how it is blackmail; we can follow the choice he prefers, or suffer an eternity of fire. Im sorry that this isn't sinking in for you.
Just because you woudln't provide people with that option doens't make you moral than God.
Actually it does
Yet Adam did bring sin upon mankind according to the Bible.
Because, as I said, the bible would not lay the blame in God's lap; the book i
s there to make him look good, do you not understand?
But a rational examination, free of the Bible's one-sided propaganda, reveals the truth.
God defined sin yes, but he didn't bring it upon us and he designed Adam originally as a perfect being. He wasn't desinged to "tend torward sin" however God did give him the ability to make choices, which allows the potential for sin. It wan't impossible for Adam to not sin.
The fact that Adam's bad choice would lead to every single subsequent human being inclined to sin, IS God's fault. Notice it didn't just change Adam? That's where God made it happen.
What made sin some 'hereditary' inclination? *bzzt* you guessed it.. God's magic.
God's an infinite being so the punishment has to be infinite.
Well, I am a finite being so the punishment has to be finite.
[note: this isn't good logic at all, Im just turning it back on itself to show how foolish it is]
IN any case, your reasoning here is poor. Justice = 'the punishment fits the crime'. This isn't justice, by the definition of the word.
and think about it if someone were just punished for a short time, they'd go back to sinning once they were done with the punishment.
This is also poor reasoning. Think about it yourself: we are talking about someone who is already dead. They cannot go back to sinning.
Are you really asking this?
Right and also Lazraus rose.
No, Lazarus
was raised. Jesus did his own rising himself. Lazarus died assuming he'd stay that way, and so did everyone around him [assume he was actually dead].
Why do you think he imitated it? There's nothing in the Bible to suggest that. And why does his sacrifice have to have a permanent loss to be real?
Because he rose, you silly person.
And because that's what 'sacrifice' means! Words have actual definitions; the point of a sacrifice is that you give up something forever for some others' sake. It's like taking back a donation you give to a charity: did you really make a sacrificial gesture, if you grab your money back?
Indeed, but if we're both basing our statements on the Bible then we can accurately say Jesus really did die. Yous aying he imitated it isn't Bible based. It's just an assumption.
No, we really can't. it says he died because it needs to manufacture a story that is supposed to tell something. But it's a bad story, poorly thought out. It vacillates between Jesus being divine and Jesus being only a man, using the more emotionally-hooked characteristics when it is convenient to do so, then flips back the other way to cover some other convenience. It's logically inconsistent. His crucifixion is brutal because he needs then to be seen as a vulnerable human who is about to lose everything by dieing. But he doesn't lose everything. He rises back out of it as if it never happened. That is one point where his divinity is ignored by the narrative, because if it were paid attention to the sacrifice would be, and rightly so, seen as an empty gesture.
It's not just an assumption.
It's a direct observation.
If it were just based on you and me(and the Bible was out fo it) then yes my argument woudl be destroyed because it woudl just be your word over mine about an event we didn't even witness. However the Bible reccords the event and it doesn't say anything about Jesus imitating death, nor does it even imply that. It says he died.
No, that wouldn't be the case.
Witnessing has ZERO to do with it.
This is what the story says. I made accurate observations about details of the story itself that ruin the story's hoped-for message. From what happens in the story, it's an imitation of death, because JESUS RISES, Christ. Did he lose his life forever? No, he didn't. He gets it back.
If the Bible said that Jesus just died then yes you would have some "evidence" but it also says he rose again, so you shouldn't expect him to still be dead.
Dead people don't rise. If you do rise, you're not dead anymore, therefore, you did not die. Death is permanent. Or did you not know that?