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lets see how she jumps through hoops in hopes of making this look attractive enough to justify why it's ok for god to torture and murder people.
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well sort of. anyone can speak out of their respective ***'s, it's when reality starts to come into play that, for me, was were i started to test reality to the fiction in this book, as i think it's a book of mythology more than anything else...i am referring to the jewish bible that has been twisted into meaning something it wasn't supposed to mean, but i digress.
let me put it to you this way, had i participated in a religious forum like this, when i was younger, my conversion would have been less painful and would have happened much earlier in life...at least i like to think so.
God's instructions are clear. A women had to provide proof of her viginity or she was killed. You're making the instructions complicated by saying that inoccent women must have died because of a fallible test. Again the Israelites had no issues with God's commands.
The midianite boys had broken his law(and they were sinners), he had every right to kill them. The virgin girls in Deuteronomy weren't guilty of that law mentioned in chapter 22, so there's no reason God would've allowed people to use that law to justify killing inoccents.
If I saw a christain or anyone, today, start stoning a girl who had premarital sex I most certainly would object. Because God doesn't command us to kill women who aren't virgins. That law was given to ancient Israel.
No, God showed mercy on the virgin girls. The Bible doesn't say why, but God is merciful, so him doing that isn't really inconsistent with his character.
I agree, but God's not inconsistent.
As I've said many times, the Bible, or the commands God gives to us.
Well worshipping other gods is against God's law, so he'd have every right to send them to hell.
Sorry, I thought you were talking about the girls from deuteronomy, and as I said above he was being merciful to them.(and before you ask, no I don't know why. I can guess but I can't be sure)
Um okay..prove he's unjust according to who?
No, if I was trying to make God look nice and pretty I'd just ignore all the posts about him killing people and I'd juust talk about only the stories that show his love and care. Of course that would look pretty pathetic(or at least I think it would)
I agree inconsistency isn't a good thing, but God's not inconsistent.
Not at all I said way back that I understand why people have left christianity.
The books aren't of unknown origin and yes I base my beliefs about God on it.
No I really don't. I don't go into the Bible looking for a verse, passage, etc to supprort what I beleive. I let it dictate what I believe
Just like I shouldn't ignore the passages where God kills people others shouldn't ingonre the passages where he's being loving, caring, or merciful.
God does love us, but we're also guilty by being sinners, He shows his love by giving us the choice to be with him for eternity. However if we chose to be eternally separated from him then we pay the price. God doesn't force us to love him back. He lets us chose to be eternally separated.
It matters because God's not endorsing slavery(as you originally said), he's permitting it, and personally I feel that owning another human being is wrong.
You have spent much of this thread speculating about some unknown undefined infallible virginity test, when the text seems to indicate that a blood stained sheet was the only test used. When you need to engage in this kind of mental gymnastics and speculation it is obvious the instructions are anything but clear.
. But I guess that might have been directed at Vadergirl. All in all, there's no evidence that there existed some kind of perfect virginity test back when the laws were written that has since been forgotten. But how could they (we weren't there yet, by the way
) You mentioned this previously; my previous response to that
My faith in Gods ability to transform people allows me to say
Partly because since being liberated from their Thats not how scripture seems to present it. God isnt asking
The Israelites didn't seem to have any problem with it. If they had(such as inoccents being killed or questions about what the proof was) God probably would've added more specifics to the law. Obviously he had no reason to do this because the law was working fine.
In today's society yes it would be seen as barbaric. Again God doesn't tell us to murder girls who've been promiscuous.
I've said like 20times at least that there's no reason to kill someone for sexual immorality today because God's instructions were to the Israelites. I'm not defending the fact that we should kill women who engage in promiscuous relationships. I'm defending God's right to punish people however he wants for breaking his laws. If you're going to attack me then do it from that angle, and stop saying I woudl kill a women who had sex, I support people today killing women who have premarital sex, etc. I'm getting annoyed of having to constantly tell you that I never said any such thing.
Yes some father's do abuse their children, and it's because they're sinners. However think of how great God is. He's not a sinner, he loves us, and he knows everything about us.
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The Israelites didn't seem to have any problem with it. If they had(such as inoccents being killed or questions about what the proof was) God probably would've added more specifics to the law. Obviously he had no reason to do this because the law was working fine.
In today's society yes it would be seen as barbaric. Again God doesn't tell us to murder girls who've been promiscuous.
I've said like 20times at least that there's no reason to kill someone for sexual immorality today because God's instructions were to the Israelites. I'm not defending the fact that we should kill women who engage in promiscuous relationships. I'm defending God's right to punish people however he wants for breaking his laws. If you're going to attack me then do it from that angle, and stop saying I woudl kill a women who had sex, I support people today killing women who have premarital sex, etc. I'm getting annoyed of having to constantly tell you that I never said any such thing.
Yes some father's do abuse their children, and it's because they're sinners. However think of how great God is. He's not a sinner, he loves us, and he knows everything about us.
Why would God have done this? He didn't correct the people who went on the crusades. He doesn't come down and say "this version of Christianity is wrong" about the versions that deviates from his original plan. He isn't very active in correcting his followers and the scripture.
The law was flawed, seeing as there is no way a girl could prove to 100% that she's a virgin. Whether it was because of man or because of God, we can't know. The law could very well have been written down wrongly or misinterpreted. You don't need to defend the law and how it was used, as you believe that the law is abolished. If the law was perfect, then why would Jesus have changed it? Jesus said that only the ones free from sin should carry out the punishment, and if that was His opinion, then why didn't He include that in the Old Law? If you believe in the words of Paul, then the old law could very well have been flawed, as it was abolished. All unclean foods were suddenly clean, which doesn't work well with the old law at all, so Jesus clearly changed the law if we are to trust Paul and the Gospels (which incidentally totally sounds like an indie rock band
i don't care if they had a problem with it or not...i have a problem with it.
which is why i am an ex christian.
the little virgin girls in numbers where just as guilty as the little midianite boys in numbers. so why spare the virgin girls?
so god changes his mind...oh right that means god is consistent, right?
you mean his inconsistent character?
sure he is. ask yourself what a midianite virgin thought when her entire family was slaughtered, including her baby brother?
and how do you determine that morals are to be based on the bible?
exactly, so then why resort to murder if god will get em in the end anyway?
what is your guess?
he killed baby boys and left virgin girls alive, who were both just as guilty as sin...why not just kill the virgin girls just the same? that would be just.
you are claiming the brutal murder of children, deserving of gods wrath, as just.
prove it. he killed baby boys and left virgin girls alive, who were both just as guilty as sin...why not just kill the virgin girls just the same? that would be consistent.
