Experiencing God

[Thief]

Life is about the experience.

If I examine and try to objectify the experience, it begins to lose some quality.

I fairly certain that if one believes in something enough the mind is capable of providing the experience.

Whether anything exists outside, incidental to what is experienced, I'm not sure it is important.

And the tree makes a sound when it falls, whether anyone was there to hear it....
or not.

 

[Cephus]

And entirely in the face of the non-believer as we stand before heaven.....

Which is an entirely meaningless threat since you have no evidence heaven actually exists.

 

[psychoslice]

In my way of thinking, there is only what is, call that god, or whatever, we experience this life through our senses, and that is all we can ever know. This experience is within god, for there is nothing other than god, if there was, he wouldn't be god. .

 

[Thief]

Which is an entirely meaningless threat since you have no evidence heaven actually exists.

Too bad for you.
You see no meaning......not my fault or problem.

 

[Thief]

In my way of thinking, there is only what is, call that god, or whatever, we experience this life through our senses, and that is all we can ever know. This experience is within god, for there is nothing other than god, if there was, he wouldn't be god. .

Then God is Spirit?

 

[Cephus]

Too bad for you.
You see no meaning......not my fault or problem.

It means no more to me than if I threatened you with Naraka. You find no reason to believe it's real, therefore it doesn't bother you. I find no reason to take your ridiculous netherworld seriously, therefore it's laughable that you try to threaten me with it. The fact that you keep doubling down on your asinine threats is even more laughable.

 

[Thief]

It means no more to me than if I threatened you with Naraka. You find no reason to believe it's real, therefore it doesn't bother you. I find no reason to take your ridiculous netherworld seriously, therefore it's laughable that you try to threaten me with it. The fact that you keep doubling down on your asinine threats is even more laughable.

I have reason to believe in God.
It's called cause and effect.

 

[Cephus]

I have reason to believe in God.
It's called cause and effect.

Then you should have no problem drawing a direct and demonstrable causal relationship from absolutely anything to God.

Go ahead.

 

[psychoslice]

Then God is Spirit?

Then what is spirit ?.

 

[Thief]

Then you should have no problem drawing a direct and demonstrable causal relationship from absolutely anything to God.

Go ahead.

Science takes to the point of singularity.
Choose.


Spirit first?...or substance?

 

[Cephus]

Science takes to the point of singularity.
Choose.


Spirit first?...or substance?

That isn't a demonstrable causal link. That's an unsupported assertion. Do try again.

 

[Thief]

That isn't a demonstrable causal link. That's an unsupported assertion. Do try again.

Ever occur to you?......God isn't proving Himself to you.
It's suppose to be the other way around.

Take away cause and effect.....all of science is a fail.

Choose.

Spirit first?.....or substance?

 

[Cephus]

Ever occur to you?......God isn't proving Himself to you.
It's suppose to be the other way around.

Take away cause and effect.....all of science is a fail.

Choose.

Spirit first?.....or substance?

In other words, you've got nothing, as I predicted, and you're now trying to worm your way around your utter failure to pretend you have anything worth saying at all. It's okay, we all knew it was a sham all along.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

My experience of God has actually brought me to a point where I no longer require faith to believe in God. I am absolutely certain of his existence and presence in my life.

Upon what do you base this absolute certainty of yours? Mere experience? Opinion?

 

[Cephus]

Upon what do you base this absolute certainty of yours? Mere experience? Opinion?

Blind fanatical faith.

 

[Thief]

In other words, you've got nothing, as I predicted, and you're now trying to worm your way around your utter failure to pretend you have anything worth saying at all. It's okay, we all knew it was a sham all along.

And you will never consider that 'point' of creation and admit.....substance is not 'self' starting.

As we stand at the 'point' of creation.....you must choose.
Substance first?....or Spirit.

The rest of your cognitive 'self' is then completely a chemical dependency........or......
there is a chance your spirit will continue after your chemistry fails.

oh! that's right!....the existence of a Creator might bring consideration.....you might have to deal with Something......
greater than your chemically dependent 'self'.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

substance is not 'self' starting.

How do you know that?

 

[Thief]

How do you know that?

Science!

It was taught in grade school and declared a FIRM notion.....
nothing moves without 'something' to move it.
nothing just happens.....for all things there is a cause.

Take away these basic notions and all of science.....fails.
(you cannot associate the result of an experiment to the experiment without 'cause and effect')

 

[Cephus]

And you will never consider that 'point' of creation and admit.....substance is not 'self' starting.

As we stand at the 'point' of creation.....you must choose.
Substance first?....or Spirit.

The rest of your cognitive 'self' is then completely a chemical dependency........or......
there is a chance your spirit will continue after your chemistry fails.

oh! that's right!....the existence of a Creator might bring consideration.....you might have to deal with Something......
greater than your chemically dependent 'self'.

But you are not showing that such a creator, if there even is such a thing, is your God. That's the point. You're just asserting it.

Just give up, you're only digging yourself in deeper.

 

[Thief]

But you are not showing that such a creator, if there even is such a thing, is your God. That's the point. You're just asserting it.

Just give up, you're only digging yourself in deeper.

oh so now He must be MY God, that I speak of Him?

Not so.
He would be God whether I make the declaration or not.

He did it for Himself a long time ago.......I AM!
which I reckon much the same as .....Let there be light!