Excuse me? YOU are the one continually referring to yourself as 'We', not I.
I don’t refer to myself as “we”. You don’t seem to fully understand how certain English words work. In any case, that’s now how I use the word here. I don’t use the royal “we” to refer to myself, unless in JEST.
And I can assure you, that most of what I write that doesn’t end in a smilie face ISN’T in jest.
I have given you an English lesson that is at the 5th grade level, but not more. It appears that your English comprehension is below that level.
So how many of you are there? Oh, I know. You're just puffing yourself up to look formidable to make up for your lack of substance and depth. That's OK. It's a common tactic of those who have no real meat to offer, and who can only resort to jeering.
You don’t understand some quite basic English usage.
There are MANY people who read these pages. The “we” I refer to are the people who read your silliness and aren’t taken in by your delusions.
Most people don’t struggle with the concept of “reality” quite as much as you seem to. These “most” people include myself. We are many.
Exclude yourself all you want from this group.
Look here, I'm not trying to win a popularity contest.
This forum isn't a popularity contest, so don’t worry. I’m just evaluating your ideas, not your person.
Your ideas seem to be the product of a delusion.
Now that you have payed attention to the sellers of "woo", I hope that you continue your efforts to educate yourself. Deepak et al aren't doing you any favors, I'm afraid.
I am only interested in pointing to the moon, but so far, you choose to attack my pointing finger instead of looking at the moon. Would you like to see the moon? There is no cost, other than the loss of your notions about what the moon actually is, or whether it even exists.
I can quite EASILY see the REAL moon, we are DISCUSSING nutty ideas that AREN'T real.
I don't see any throng of protesters that can be referred to as 'we' who object to what I am saying.
If you keep telling yourself things like that, you will keep your delusion strong.
You want to make it appear that I am in the minority, don't you?
You aren’t the only one with delusions.
But we don’t judge reality by popularity. So, minority or NOT, it doesn’t matter.
Your ideas stand or fall on their own.
Well, that does not bother me, because most people on the planet are caught in the throes of delusion and suffering, and only a few can see clearly what the true nature of that delusion and suffering actually is.
Thinking that we know some secret knowledge is a symptom of delusion. That’s quite obvious even to the most casual observer.
And so, all we can do is to continue to point, hoping that there might be an occasional glance at the moon.
NOBODY has a problem with the MOON other than yourself, here. You imagine that it’s not REAL. You are actually POINTING AT your delusion. Your metaphorical “moon” is a delusion.
And yes, we don’t all share your delusional thinking.
Oh, I see. You want me to provide evidence on demand, but when I point out the way to show something to you so you can see it for yourself, you resort to pouting and diversion. OK. I will give you another chance to make good:
Now, use your head, OK?
I can assure you that I don’t have any problems USING CONCEPTUAL THINKING, or using my "head". I try to STAY rational, I don't abandon reason.
If you are going try to use analysis, logic and reason to explain something that you SAY can’t be approached that way, you just manage to CONTRADICT yourself.
Show me how sound can exist without silence.
Silence is the ABSENCE of sound.
You mistake what IS for what IS NOT.
But they are
not the same.
You have problems with how words are used.
You imagine that the “argument from ignorance” is a good one.
Such problems are sometimes symptomatic of a mental disorder.
Others don’t suffer from your delusion. Sorry.
(If you just continue to dismiss my question as 'silly', I will have to conclude that you simply don't know what you're talking about.)
You are free to make your own conclusions.
What's wrong? Are you unable to stop your mental chatter just for a few moments so you can see what I am talking about?
I have no difficulty understanding REASON. I don’t understand your babbling because your reasoning isn't valid. Your position is self-contradictory.
You quite literally do NOT make SENSE.
Maybe you just need to go to your room. Return when you have something meaningful to contribute, instead of just calling other people's arguments 'silly', which is a sign that you have nothing of substance to say.
I don’t have much in the way of substance to say other than you don’t make logical sense, you aren’t being rational, you can’t “encapsulate” your theory with any “concept or idea or mere fact.” You don’t seem to use language very well, and your conclusions don’t follow from your premises NOR are they accepted as normal by most people on the planet.
My friend, I don’t have much to tell you OTHER than you might want to reconsider your position. Right know, you sound delusional.
What is it about 'formless' that you cannot understand?
It’s meaningless babble. You didn’t explain at all what you mean by the term. NOBODY can understand you if you don’t explain yourself using reason.
There are no 'things' in the Universe; all such 'things' are completely connected with one another. 'Things' are just ideas in your head.
This fits in with your delusion that are just IDEAS in your head.
Guess I am way over your head here. Look, the doctrine in question is a Christian doctrine, you see? I was raised a Christian
That doesn’t make nutty ideas any more true.
So stop grasping at straws just to make yourself look credible, which you are not.
I’m not the one pretending to know what reality is and isn’t by saying that it isn’t REAL in the first place.
But pretending can be fun.
I get that.
How is pointing to what is right under your nose being pretentious? The problem is that you just refuse to look and put your conceptual mind aside for a moment.
Yeah, I refuse to leave REASON aside even for a moment in a REASONED debate. You don’t seem to have ANY problems leaving your “conceptual mind” aside. So, go ahead, talk to us about your CONCEPTS. Apparently, you CAN’T. So I don’t know what it IS you are trying to ACCOMPLISH here.
You can’t hope to CONVINCE anyone by REASON.. if you have ABANDONED reason, in any case. Your position is about as ridiculous as you can MAKE IT. Bravo for that. It’s a kind of an accomplishment. Only way is UP now...
My question came up simply because you originally referred to delusion, as if you knew the difference between delusion and reality. Here is your original statement:
"Wow, you SURE know what Jesus means, don't you?
I have to wonder how it is you GOT that deep into the delusion, godnotgod."
So my question remains: how is it that you know the difference between delusion and reality. If you cannot answer, just say so. It's OK.
I have no problems admitting to ignorance. But when it comes to definitions for WORDS, I do have the INTERNET, so that’s trivially easy:
Delusion: A false personal belief that is not subject to reason or contradictory evidence and is not explained by a person's usual cultural and religious concepts (so that, for example, it is not an article of faith). A delusion may be firmly maintained in the face of incontrovertible evidence that it is false. Delusions are a frequent feature of
schizophrenia.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=26290
When someone makes wild claims about ALL OF REALITY, and can’t back them up with any EVIDENCE or the evidence isn’t RELEVANT or just plain FALSE, and will NOT change his ideas until such evidence is FOUND, that’s a delusion.
You suffer from one. You have all the typical symptoms.
Good luck with that.
If your symptoms get worse, I would suggest seeking professional help.
And yes, I DO know what Jesus (Yeshua) meant, but YOU don't, which is obvious.
You pretend to have more understanding than most other people, again, a symptom of a delusion.
In REALITY, you don’t actually KNOW what I know or don’t know. But you seem quite happy to PRETEND, and then have the incredible temerity to TELL ME.
Confronted by such nonsense, I really do have trouble taking you seriously. I am aware that people don’t take their ideas seriously, so maybe you aren’t as delusional as your ideas make you SOUND. I don’t know who you are.. I can only judge you by what you write.
I have to tell you that... I have my concerns.