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Failed NT Prophecies about the Second Coming of Jesus

Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Hubert Farnsworth said:
Didn't you read the verses? They were prophesied to occur in the first century (while Jesus' eyewitnesses were still alive). But of course they did not occur then. Thus, the prophecy failed.
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I believe you have very little understanding of what Jesus said. The reference was to those who saw the sign of Jesus not those he was speaking to. wake up and read the text.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
MJFlores said:
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Matthew 23:36
Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

Matthew 24:34
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

Mark 13:30
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

How sure are you that "Jesus was not talking about the generation at his time, But a future generation that would be alive to see all these things being fulfilled" and "We are that generation.."???

Because the things were not fulfilled in "the generation" which the Lord Jesus Christ was referring to? So you purposely bend that "this generation" is some future generation not 500 AD, not 1000 AD, not 1500 AD and not even 2000 AD but "We are that generation" But hey there's more not even your would be grand children's generation.

I think that is a screwed interpretation. I believe the Lord Jesus Christ was referring to the generation when he walked the earth. He wasn't a liar, although people in the false churches would purposely twist things around and make the Lord a liar. Now that is really not good for these people.
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I believe I am absolutely sure by the teaching of the Holy Spirit.

I believe that is not the reason although it certainly makes the real reason more plausible.

I believe your thinking is muddled because you haven't seen the real reason yet because faithofachristian didn't give you one.

i believe you have no valid foundation for that belief. ie you do not have a valid reason.

I believe I don't know of any false churches and that includes the JWs and Mormons who may be about as misinformed as any church and more than most.
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Muffled said:
I believe I don't know of any false churches and that includes the JWs and Mormons who may be about as misinformed as any church and more than most.
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Actually, studies have shown that Mormons know more about the Bible than any other Christian group. When you say that we are "misinformed," you're really only saying that we believe differently than you do.
 
MJFlores

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Muffled said:
I believe I am absolutely sure by the teaching of the Holy Spirit.

I believe that is not the reason although it certainly makes the real reason more plausible.

I believe your thinking is muddled because you haven't seen the real reason yet because faithofachristian didn't give you one.

i believe you have no valid foundation for that belief. ie you do not have a valid reason.

I believe I don't know of any false churches and that includes the JWs and Mormons who may be about as misinformed as any church and more than most.
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Failed NT Prophecies about the Second Coming of Jesus
Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Hubert Farnsworth, Jun 5, 2018.
 

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MJFlores

MJFlores

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YeshuaBought said:
Do you know how many Bible prophecies have been fulfilled in the last century?
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Last century - 20ht [1900-2000]

Matthew 24:6-8 New International Version (NIV)

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.


A world war, is a large-scale war involving many of the countries of the world or many of the most powerful and populous ones. World wars span multiple countries on multiple continents, with battles fought in many theaters. While a variety of global conflicts have been subjectively deemed "world wars", such as the Cold War and the War on Terror, the term is widely and generally accepted only as it is retrospectively applied to two major international conflicts that occurred during the 20th century: World War I (1914–1918) and World War II (1939–1945).

"There will be famines and earthquakes in various places."

Famines

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All these are the beginning of birth pains.
 
12jtartar

12jtartar

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Anyone who believes the Bible is inaccurate, only show their lack of Bible truth.
It is true that Every Bible has some errors, because it is impossible for any man to translate an entire Bible without making a mistake. God has promised that He will protect His word from every generation, Psalms 12:6,7. What does this mean???It means that, even though there are errors in ever Bible, all Bibles will not have the same errors, so a comparison of different Bibles will help the researcher to be sure of what the Original Autographs said.
Today, there is no reason for anyone to believe that the Bible is inaccurate, for there has been intensive research done on the Bible, far more than any other Book.
People seem to want to use Bible inaccuracy as a reason not to obey God’s commands. This is because they do not want to obey anyone, even the Almighty, who has the life of everyone in His bends, Acts 17:24-28.
Believe what the Bible says and not what someone says it says!!
 
12jtartar

12jtartar

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Premium Member
Hubert Farnsworth said:
And atheists and agnostics know more about the bible than all other religious groups according to many studies.
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Hubert Farnsworth,
Do you know the reason why Agnostics and Athiests know more about the Bible than most Nominal Christians???
It is because they are constantly trying to find something in the Bible to give them an excuse not to obey God’s word. They will never find what they are looking for, so they have gained a lot of knowledge for nothing. If they just tried to put together the things they have learned they would also be believers.
Many people, including myself, have come to put complete faith in the Holy Scriptures, because of trying to prove something wrong, but inevitably could not!!!
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
MJFlores said:
Last century - 20ht [1900-2000]

Matthew 24:6-8 New International Version (NIV)

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.


A world war, is a large-scale war involving many of the countries of the world or many of the most powerful and populous ones. World wars span multiple countries on multiple continents, with battles fought in many theaters. While a variety of global conflicts have been subjectively deemed "world wars", such as the Cold War and the War on Terror, the term is widely and generally accepted only as it is retrospectively applied to two major international conflicts that occurred during the 20th century: World War I (1914–1918) and World War II (1939–1945).

"There will be famines and earthquakes in various places."

Famines

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All these are the beginning of birth pains.
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Sorry, that is a failed prophecy. For several reasons. First it is excessively vague. It has been thought to have been fulfilled in the past. Second it is not unusual. There have been "wars and rumors of wars" ever since the time of Jesus. Third it is inaccurate. The number or earthquakes today is no different from in the past.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
12jtartar said:
Hubert Farnsworth,
Do you know the reason why Agnostics and Athiests know more about the Bible than most Nominal Christians???
It is because they are constantly trying to find something in the Bible to give them an excuse not to obey God’s word. They will never find what they are looking for, so they have gained a lot of knowledge for nothing. If they just tried to put together the things they have learned they would also be believers.
Many people, including myself, have come to put complete faith in the Holy Scriptures, because of trying to prove something wrong, but inevitably could not!!!
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Please, as a Christian you should not bear false witness against your neighbor.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
12jtartar said:
Anyone who thinks this does not even have a nodding acquaintance with the Holy Word of The Almighty!!!
And it seems to me, in a very precarious place!!!
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My answer appears to be correct. And since your "Almighty" appears to be fictitious perhaps you can be a bit clearer.

Would you care to take another shot at it?
 
MJFlores

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone said:
Sorry, that is a failed prophecy. For several reasons. First it is excessively vague. It has been thought to have been fulfilled in the past. Second it is not unusual. There have been "wars and rumors of wars" ever since the time of Jesus. Third it is inaccurate. The number or earthquakes today is no different from in the past.
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Matthew 24:6-8 New International Version (NIV)
You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed.
What is the war that was first so much publicized than the First World War? There were other wars prior to it but not encompassing that

"Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom."

Belligerents
Allied Powers
Central Powers
There were wars before WW 1 but they were localized compared to the global reach of WW 1

Casualties and losses
  • Military dead: 5,525,000
  • Military wounded: 12,831,500
  • Total: 18,356,500 KIA, WIA and MIA
  • Civilian dead: 4,000,000
...further details.
  • Military dead: 4,386,000
  • Military wounded: 8,388,000
  • Total: 12,774,000 KIA, WIA and MIA
  • Civilian dead: 3,700,000
...further details.

Hence it was "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars"
You have nations and kingdoms warring with each other on a global scale and heard from all corners of the world.

There were famines during that period also
1914–19 Famine caused by the Allied blockade of Germany during World War I until Germany signed the Treaty of Versailles. Germany 424,000–763,000
1916–17 Winter famine in Russia[citation needed] Russia
1917–19 Persian famine of 1917-1918. As much as 1/4 of the population living in the north of Iran died in the famine.[91][92] Although the research of Mohammad Gholi Majd alleges as many as 8–10 million killed, this is based on an original population estimate of 19 million. Other estimates [clarification needed] place the original population at only 11 million, calling Majd's numbers heavily into question.[93][94] The Iranian government has stated that the famine was caused by the British (this is disputed) and that 8–10 million people died, this death toll also being in the American Archives[citation needed]. Iran (present day) As high as 8–10 million[95]

But wait there's more, there were earthquakes during this period also
October 4, 1914 00:07 local time Burdur, Turkey
see 1914 Burdur earthquake 37.82 30.27 300 6.9 MS [2][3]
January 13, 1915
Italy, L'Aquila
see 1915 Avezzano earthquake 42.04 13.44 30,000 7.5 MS [14]
October 3, 1915 06:52 Pleasant Valley, Nevada, United States
see 1915 Pleasant Valley earthquake 40.5 −117.5
7.1 Mw (Stover and Coffman, 1993) [15]
January 20, 1917 23:11 Bali
see 1917 Bali earthquake -8.3 115.0 1,500 6.6 Ms [16]
June 26, 1917 05:49 UTC near Samoa
see 1917 Samoa earthquake −15.50 −173.00
8.5 Mw USGS

Hence - All these are the beginning of birth pains.

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Predicted by the Lord Jesus and came true in 1914 - the First World War marks the beginning of the ends of the earth.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
MJFlores said:
Matthew 24:6-8 New International Version (NIV)
You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed.
What is the war that was first so much publicized than the First World War? There were other wars prior to it but not encompassing that

"Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom."

Belligerents
Allied Powers
Central Powers
There were wars before WW 1 but they were localized compared to the global reach of WW 1

Casualties and losses
  • Military dead: 5,525,000
  • Military wounded: 12,831,500
  • Total: 18,356,500 KIA, WIA and MIA
  • Civilian dead: 4,000,000
...further details.
  • Military dead: 4,386,000
  • Military wounded: 8,388,000
  • Total: 12,774,000 KIA, WIA and MIA
  • Civilian dead: 3,700,000
...further details.

Hence it was "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars"
You have nations and kingdoms warring with each other on a global scale and heard from all corners of the world.

There were famines during that period also
1914–19 Famine caused by the Allied blockade of Germany during World War I until Germany signed the Treaty of Versailles. Germany 424,000–763,000
1916–17 Winter famine in Russia[citation needed] Russia
1917–19 Persian famine of 1917-1918. As much as 1/4 of the population living in the north of Iran died in the famine.[91][92] Although the research of Mohammad Gholi Majd alleges as many as 8–10 million killed, this is based on an original population estimate of 19 million. Other estimates [clarification needed] place the original population at only 11 million, calling Majd's numbers heavily into question.[93][94] The Iranian government has stated that the famine was caused by the British (this is disputed) and that 8–10 million people died, this death toll also being in the American Archives[citation needed]. Iran (present day) As high as 8–10 million[95]

But wait there's more, there were earthquakes during this period also
October 4, 1914 00:07 local time Burdur, Turkey
see 1914 Burdur earthquake 37.82 30.27 300 6.9 MS [2][3]
January 13, 1915
Italy, L'Aquila
see 1915 Avezzano earthquake 42.04 13.44 30,000 7.5 MS [14]
October 3, 1915 06:52 Pleasant Valley, Nevada, United States
see 1915 Pleasant Valley earthquake 40.5 −117.5
7.1 Mw (Stover and Coffman, 1993) [15]
January 20, 1917 23:11 Bali
see 1917 Bali earthquake -8.3 115.0 1,500 6.6 Ms [16]
June 26, 1917 05:49 UTC near Samoa
see 1917 Samoa earthquake −15.50 −173.00
8.5 Mw USGS

Hence - All these are the beginning of birth pains.

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Predicted by the Lord Jesus and came true in 1914 - the First World War marks the beginning of the ends of the earth.
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Repeating an error does not make it go away.

When it comes to earthquakes the only reason it seems as if there are more is due to better news reporting. The rest has all happened before.

Merely a repetition of an ignorant error on your part. No "BOOM".

Try again.
 
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