Faith in Christ is Completely Logical

[Robert.Evans]

Again, not my field. My understanding is that, just as mathematics has if's own rules about "proof," physics has some special rules about elevating things from hypothesis to theory based on computer simulation.

Theology is not your field, yet through ignorance you keep speaking... what's up? You bored.

 

[Storm]

Transcends human logic, yes.

Please don't pretend that that's what you're doing.

You and I are not on the same side.

 

[Robert.Evans]

The paper is not blank, it says that the burden of proof is on you and your entire hypothesis is, "if not God, then what?" That is a logical fallacy known as an argument from ignorance, as we've been trying to explain to you, it does not carry any weight, it does not need to be refuted, an alternative does not need to be offered. All that is required to have you carried off the field on your shield, is for your opponent to correctly identify the fact that all you are offering up is an argument from ignorance and for you to have nothing else to offer.

Them's the rules, I did not make them.

Presenting a better alternative is but one way of showing that something else is wrong, you can show that something is wrong without being required to present an alternative that is right.

We are not speaking of any everyday argument here. We are speaking of the origin of everything, you me, the universe etc. It is not outside the bounds of decency I think, to ask, If you do not think it is God, then what is the answer. To come up with no answer, merely shows you don't know. So why argue are point of view? I think it is spiritual and you have little choice, you are pruned out... Dead branches left on the floor to trip up others walking by

 

[Robert.Evans]

''our'' #1064

 

[Robert.Evans]

You may be right that I am not applying the correct definitions, but I can't understand why all of your responses must be so polemic.

It's all they've got mate... haha

 

[Robert.Evans]

Could it be the illogic, stubbornness and aggression that we oft find in responses? This it the first time that I have seen any of the theists in this thread even consider that they might be in error about anything, including the everyday language of the world I spent my entire career in,

And when will we see you say you are in error? When Hell freezes over perhaps

 

[Robert.Evans]

Except that the bible instructs you very clearly that you MUST speak to others about your faith with kindness, patience and compassion. And FYI, you are usually the first aggressor.

Where? And it where does it say that of non-believers, that shouldn't even be in the land?

 

[Storm]

Could it be the illogic, stubbornness and aggression that we oft find in responses? This it the first time that I have seen any of the theists in this thread even consider that they might be in error about anything, including the everyday language of the world I spent my entire career in,

Have you considered that your own approach might influence the the responses you're getting?

@Sapiens I spoke to soon, and I humbly apologize.

I hope you and I can have a respectful debate soon. Probably not in this thread.

 

[Robert.Evans]

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And it also basically says to not let the door hit you in the butt as you beat a hasty exit, when they don't receive you or your Bible verses. No religious badgering of non-believers!

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They don't have to participate you know

 

[Robert.Evans]

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To you they are evidence. But your Bible tells you to go - shaking the dust from your foot, if they do not accept you, or your "evidence."

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But we don't ask them in here, do we? I could quite happily shake the dust from me.... but that would be them wouldn't it... haha

 

[Robert.Evans]

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I. It is directed at YOU by word of your Bible, not by me.

2. "Most" of us are here to debate, - however, - obviously several Christians are just here to proselytize.


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It tells us always to have an answer. Go read again in our Bible

 

[Robert.Evans]

You need to go back up and follow the sequence.

I was replying to someone else - with a Bible verse reference, - and YOU decided it meant YOU.

And I assure you I know the context,

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1Peter 3.15 Always have an answer.

 

[Robert.Evans]

@Sonofason
Actually, this isn't your house. This is a community in cyberspace. And that sort of response - trying to use the letter to defeat the spirit - is much more Pharisee than Christian.

Our house, our subject. See?

 

[Storm]

Our house, our subject. See?

No.

You have no monopoly here. Not on the forum and definitely not on God.

 

[Robert.Evans]

No.

You have no monopoly here. Not on the forum and definitely not on God.

The response, though to you, was to atheists. It is a religious forum, not an atheist one... therefore it is our house.

 

[Sonofason]

You need to go back up and follow the sequence.

I was replying to someone else - with a Bible verse reference, - and YOU decided it meant YOU.

And I assure you I know the context,

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How in the world am I supposed to argue against that?

 

[Storm]

The response, though to you, was to atheists. It is a religious forum, not an atheist one... therefore it is our house.

No, it's not. Atheists are completely welcome here. They always have been. People who say things like that, otoh, don't last.

 

[Desert Snake]

No, it's not. Atheists are completely welcome here. They always have been. People who say things like that, otoh, don't last.

Robert has great ideas. That's superior to 'I don't know but I know you're wrong', any day.

 

[Storm]

Robert has great ideas. That's superior to 'I don't know but I know you're wrong', any day.

I have yet to see any.

And even if every post was well written and insightful (where are those again?), he still wouldn't have the right to declare that atheists don't belong here. The founder of the forum is an atheist, for God's sake. If it's anyone's 'house,' it's his. Who do you people think you are to tell him and his guests to leave?

As for "I don't know, but you're wrong," I'm pretty sure I haven't said any such thing.

But I'd prefer someone capable of admitting ignorance and spotting total bs to those who spout the bs. Any day.

 

[Desert Snake]

But I'd prefer someone capable of admitting ignorance and spotting total bs to those who spout the bs. Any day.

There are different 'levels' of "ignorance" here. What you can't do is assume total ignorance on others. If you understood why I ask some posters specific questions, you would already know that. I'm trying to figure out if the person claiming I'm 'wrong', has a basis to do so. So far, nada.