Faith Is A Choice

[katiemygirl]

So you believe in god because you where raised to think that?

In the beginning, probably. But not later.

Was there ever a time you believed?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I do not have all the answers because I told you I can't answer what God's thinking and I've stated before that laws of nature are the laws of God's will, is that really hard to understand? You have a completely wrong view on religions & God - as I said people should stop seeking unexplainable things to prove God's existence many things that are explained are the proof of God's work & will.



Just because you prayed doesn't mean all your wishes should come true, God doesn't work that way and how can you pray from heart if you don't believe in His existence?
There's a huge difference if you pray 3 hours just to pray and show off and when you pray for 5 minutes from heart.

God doesn't need to prove Himself to you, you need to prove yourself to Him.

You can say that the laws of nature are the will of god all day long, but that does not make it true!

How is this for my prayer?

"God, if you are out there please reveal yourself to me so that I might know of your light and righteous, please heavenly father. Just give me a sign."

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I'm sorry Taylor.

I do know that God shows no partiality. He doesn't pick and choose. He wants everyone to be saved.

I wish I knew you better. I would do everything in my power to help you.

I'm going to pray on this. Maybe God will guide me to say the right words to lead you.

God bless you!

Why doenst the just show me himself?

Why does he even need you to tell me words?

Thanks for the thought at least.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

In the beginning, probably. But not later.

Was there ever a time you believed?

I was raised to think that god was real and to question that was evil.

But I wanted to question the idea of god to prove him to myself and came to realize I had no evidence to support him existing and that I was deluding myself.

That was at 11. Ever since I have been hoping and trying to find evidence for a religion being true and have found none.

The said truth is that reality is bleak and ignorance is bliss.

This is the plea I recite everyday.

I sing to all gods, real or not.

If any god picks up my melody, please sing back to me.

An Angel of Truth I am and I do envy, those who can live without the burden of truth I carry with me.

 

[Raahim]

You can say that the laws of nature are the will of god all day long, but that does not make it true!

How is this for my prayer?

"God, if you are out there please reveal yourself to me so that I might know of your light and righteous, please heavenly father. Just give me a sign."

But that does make it true, you just don't want to accept it - what would be a good enough proof for you then?
Do you know how pure and spiritual you need to be for God to directly speak to you as He did with Moshe ﷺ - so much that you can basically forget about it.
You can want it all you want, you are here to do by God's will not another way around, sorry.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

But that does make it true, you just don't want to accept it - what would be a good enough proof for you then?
Do you know how pure and spiritual you need to be for God to directly speak to you as He did with Moshe ﷺ - so much that you can basically forget about it.
You can want it all you want, you are here to do by God's will not another way around, sorry.

Explain to me how you saying it is true makes it true!

So you never ever had any form of communication with god in any facet?

If god would take the time to prove the he exist besides only speaking to select prophets in one part of the world then maybe he would be sending less people to hell.

 

[Raahim]

Explain to me how you saying it is true makes it true!

So you never ever had any form of communication with god in any facet?

If god would take the time to prove the he exist besides only speaking to select prophets in one part of the world then maybe he would be sending less people to hell.

Every prayer I made was communication with God and many times He replied to my desires and fulfilled my needs while I didn't even ask for.
This wasn't direct communication like Moshe ﷺ had, but when you know God exists then you can easily notice replies from Him.

Your method of forcing for proof will lead you nowhere my friend.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Every prayer I made was communication with God and many times He replied to my desires and fulfilled my needs while I didn't even ask for.
This wasn't direct communication like Moshe ﷺ had, but when you know God exists then you can easily notice replies from Him.

Your method of forcing for proof will lead you nowhere my friend.

Why is praying to god to receive guidance, just like you did, wrong?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Every prayer I made was communication with God and many times He replied to my desires and fulfilled my needs while I didn't even ask for.
This wasn't direct communication like Moshe ﷺ had, but when you know God exists then you can easily notice replies from Him.

Your method of forcing for proof will lead you nowhere my friend.

I am not forcing for proof.

I am just not gullible and god would know that.

 

[katiemygirl]

I was raised to think that god was real and to question that was evil.

But I wanted to question the idea of god to prove him to myself and came to realize I had no evidence to support him existing and that I was deluding myself.

That was at 11. Ever since I have been hoping and trying to find evidence for a religion being true and have found none.

The said truth is that reality is bleak and ignorance is bliss.

This is the plea I recite everyday.

I sing to all gods, real or not.

If any god picks up my melody, please sing back to me.

An Angel of Truth I am and I do envy, those who can live without the burden of truth I carry with me.

The evidence is all around you in His creation.

Have you ever asked God to come into your life? If so, then you must have believed He existed, otherwise why bother to ask?

Jesus said, "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you."

Jesus doesn't lie.

 

[Raahim]

Why is praying to god to receive guidance, just like you did, wrong?

Because you don't believe Him & I do - as said many times before - reward depends on the deeds.

 

[allfoak]

Faith is something we choose to have.

Faith is taking Jesus at His word, and obeying what He says.

We get faith by hearing God's Word.

Faith is not a choice.
How it is used is a choice.
Faith is a gift, when it is used, it grows.

Faith can be used for anything.
Those that put their faith in things of the flesh will reap what they have sown.
Those that put their faith in the things of the spirit will reap the rewards.

 

[Ingledsva]

Faith is something we choose to have.

Faith is taking Jesus at His word, and obeying what He says.

We get faith by hearing God's Word.

I didn't get faith by hearing, or reading, the Bible.

Actually studying it, - made me realize it could not be the word of God.

Per the Bible stories, YHVH commits far to much "human" evil, to be anything other then just that - human. YHVH is a God made up by humans.

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[Taylor Seraphim]

The evidence is all around you in His creation.

Have you ever asked God to come into your life? If so, then you must have believed He existed, otherwise why bother to ask?

Jesus said, "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you."

Jesus doesn't lie.

Okay then, im not even going to bother to point out all of that circular logic, because that seems to go over your head.

If you do not believe that he exist, then how do you get him to show an indication of that he does?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Because you don't believe Him & I do - as said many times before - reward depends on the deeds.

So you are saying you cannot have evidence for his existence unless you already believe in him?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I didn't get faith by hearing, or reading, the Bible.

Actually studying it, - made me realize it could not be the word of God.

Per the Bible stories, YHVH commits far to much "human" evil, to be anything other then just that - human. YHVH is a God made up by humans.

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Studying the bible was one of the largest factors leading me to not believe in Christianity.

 

[Ingledsva]

You didn't answer my question. Is faith a choice?

I believe Jesus when He said in Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50,

“The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

That in no way has to be taken as torture in hell.

We know from the Hebrew texts that the Fiery Furnace - refers to the smelting furnace - where the dross is destroyed leaving the pure Gold.

Nor does Tanakh say anything about torture. And supposedly Jesus was a teacher of the Law.

The gnashing of teeth, and weeping, is because they know they didn't make the grade, and will cease to exist to God.

I believe Jesus when He said in Mark 9:43, 48-49,

“And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire…where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’ For everyone will be salted with fire....

There is no - Hell - in these verses. They are about the Valley of Gehenna where the convicts and trash were burned. Lots of maggots.

Mar 9:43 And if your hand offend you, cut it off. For it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go away into GEHENNA, into the unquenchable fire,

Mar 9:44 The place where the maggots are never without death/decay, and the fire is never extinguished.

Mar 9:45 And if your foot causes you to offend, cut it off, for it is profitable for you to enter into life lame, than having two feet to be thrown into GEHENNA, into the fire that is never extinguished.

Mar 9:46 The place where the maggots are never without death/decay, and the fire is never extinguished.

Mar 9:47 And if your eye offends you, cast it out. For it is better for you to enter into the kingdom of YHVH one-eyed, than having two eyes and be thrown into the GEHENNA fires.

Mar 9:47 The place where the maggots are never without death/decay, and the fire is never extinguished.

Mar 9:49 For with fire everything will be vaporized and every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt. (Hebraic Roots Bible)

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[Ingledsva]

Taylor,
It is obvious to me that you do not understand the nature of God or of sin. God absolutes HATES sin, even the tiniest ones. What may not seem like such a bad thing to you is huge to God. You are no worse or better than the next person, me included. The apostle Paul considered himself chief of sinners. I feel that way about myself.

God gave us a way out of our sinful situation. He sent His aSon, Jesus, to take our place in the punishment for our sins.

Anyone who believes and trusts in Him can have his/her sins washed away, become pure in the eyes of God.

I've no doubt you are a good, moral and upright person, but without faith, you are lost. I know from your posts that you reject that, but based on what? Your feelings? Your own human reasoning?

There's only one way to God, and that is through His Son, Jesus.

And I believe this doctrine of - "all sins being the same" - and even the tiniest sin leading to - eternal torture - unless you accept Jesus and the Christian religion, - is just a method of - psychological warfare - terroristic threatening, - to frighten people into joining the church!

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[Neo Deist]

The evidence is all around you in His creation.

I like that...reminds me of deism.

Jesus doesn't lie.

Matthew 24:34 - Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

That verse is in reference to the people living at the time of Jesus. He was telling them that he would return before they all died. He was wrong.

That is not necessarily a lie, but it is most definitely not omniscience.

 

[Raahim]

So you are saying you cannot have evidence for his existence unless you already believe in him?

Either you're not reading the replies from people or are simply so ignorant that it's not worth even trying to explain things to you: Evidence of God's existence is all around you, then when you believe His words & recognize His existence will you be able to accept those evidence until then you can't expect anything from Him. God doesn't work the way you want Him to, sorry. You'll get your ultimate proof once you die, however then some things will be hard to fix & trust me you'll be very aware of that then.