Faith Is A Choice

[katiemygirl]

@katiemygirl Can you now please address this post?

I don't understand your question. Can you restate it? That post was confusing to me.

 

[Raahim]

How do you know that?

That's what I talked previously about - I know because evidence is all around me and there's also Torah which was given to Jews from God, Gospels which were given & last the Quran which was given by the same God.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I have a friend who used to say the same things as you. His wife, however was a believer. She never pushed him. She just went about living her life the way she thought God wanted her to live. One day, he simply made a choice. He decided he was going to get to know who this God was that his wife so strongly believed in. Today, roughly 40 years later, he is one of the best christian men I know.

It's all about choice.

It's opening your heart and giving the Lord a little room to move in. It's giving Him the chance to show you He is there.

You beilving in god does not make god any more or less real.

Hindus have faith, Muslims have faith, Jews have faith, what makes you any different?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I don't understand your question. Can you restate it? That post was confusing to me.

You said that people choose not to believe in god because it is easier.

I said in response:

No that is not in anyway true.

Because I do not accept your god, I am responsible for my own actions, I do not get to believe that I will meet my loved ones after I die, I do not get to believe that there is ANYTHING after I die.

Where do you get this notion that being an atheist makes it easier on you?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

That's what I talked previously about - I know because evidence is all around me and there's also Torah which was given to Jews from God, Gospels which were given & last the Quran which was given by the same God.

How do you know they where given by god and not made up?

 

[katiemygirl]

Why would god not give me evidence?

If you reject the evidence God has given you, why would you believe me?

God has given you all you need for faith yet you say he does not exist. Faith comes from hearing the word of God. How can I top that?

Paul wrote in Romans 1:20,

"For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

The evidence of God is all around you.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

If you reject the evidence God has given you, why would you believe me?

God has given you all you need for faith yet you say he does not exist. Faith comes from hearing the word of God. How can I top that?

Paul wrote in Romans 1:20,

"For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

The evidence of God is all around you.

Katiemygirl, can you please stop and think for a second.

If I am not Christian, then what is quoting the bible at me going to prove to me?

You cannot prove that god exist with the bible, because god has to exist for the bible to be true, which is again circular logic.

 

[HeironymusJones]

You are again making circular logic Raahim.

I need to believe in god to believe in the seven laws to believe in god.

Brings to mind another dupe often employed by the weak of faith on the unbeliever: Pascal's Wager. A premise that is dishonest on its face as it is an attempt to pull the wool over God's eyes. I thought God saw all, and hence was unwoolable. Of course, one does get the impression of God's general doltish in Genesis when he comes back to the Garden of Eden and initially can't seem to find Adam and Eve because they were hiding. Hiding? Really? From God? What about that whole "Alpha and Omega" thingy? Listening the devout I was under the impression that God was omniscient. Pascal's Wager and that little episode in the Garden would seem to give lie to the claim of God's omnipotence.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

If you reject the evidence God has given you, why would you believe me?

God has given you all you need for faith yet you say he does not exist. Faith comes from hearing the word of God. How can I top that?

Paul wrote in Romans 1:20,

"For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

The evidence of God is all around you.

I want there to be a god, and I try to find true evidence to prove it.

But I have found none.

What evidence are you seeing that I am not?

 

[Raahim]

How do you know they where given by god and not made up?

That is a completely new topic to be honest & if you won't take time into researching it there's no point in mentioning any argument.
Just the essential arguments which could get you started: Moshe ﷺ couldn't have made up Torah & Muhammad ﷺ couldn't have made up Quran - Google these things if you are really interested. I won't point out any references because Google is filled with those topics.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

That is a completely new topic to be honest & if you won't take time into researching it there's no point in mentioning any argument.
Just the essential arguments which could get you started: Moshe ﷺ couldn't have made up Torah & Muhammad ﷺ couldn't have made up Quran - Google these things if you are really interested. I won't point out any references because Google is filled with those topics.

I disagree, unlike you I listened to both the skeptic and believers sides and even though I am biased towards the believers side I admit that the skeptic where right.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

That is a completely new topic to be honest & if you won't take time into researching it there's no point in mentioning any argument.
Just the essential arguments which could get you started: Moshe ﷺ couldn't have made up Torah & Muhammad ﷺ couldn't have made up Quran - Google these things if you are really interested. I won't point out any references because Google is filled with those topics.

If your god really loved me, then he would reward all of my hard work with some shred of evidence.

 

[katiemygirl]

You said that people choose not to believe in god because it is easier.

I said in response:

No that is not in anyway true.

Because I do not accept your god, I am responsible for my own actions, I do not get to believe that I will meet my loved ones after I die, I do not get to believe that there is ANYTHING after I die.

Where do you get this notion that being an atheist makes it easier on you?

I still don't understand the question or your post. I've read it several times and still don't get it. But, I'll give it a try. If I haven't answered the way you'd like, then please rephrase.

I said that those who don't believe that God exists have no one to give an account to, meaning they don't believe that they will stand b4 the judgement seat of God. If you don't believe you will be judged, then you can live however you'd like, that is as long as what you do doesn't transgress the laws of men.

Hope I answered your question.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I still don't understand the question or your post. I've read it several times and still don't get it. But, I'll give it a try. If I haven't answered the way you'd like, then please rephrase.

I said that those who don't believe that God exists have no one to give an account to, meaning they don't believe that they will stand b4 the judgement seat of God. If you don't believe you will be judged, then you can live however you'd like, that is as long as what you do doesn't transgress the laws of men.

Hope I answered your question.

That is not what you said Katie.

Because they choose to.

Imho, it's easier to ignore the proofs, to say God doesn't exist, or that the Bible isn't His Word. That allows them to do as they please rather than do what pleases God.

This is what you said.

Now how is it easier to believe that you are going to die and never be able to see your loved ones again then follow a set of morals that I mostly already follow?!!?!!

 

[katiemygirl]

If your god really loved me, then he would reward all of my hard work with some shred of evidence.

How about the fact that you are able right now to live, breathe, work, type, laugh, eat, love, etc. I'd say that's pretty rewarding.

Just think. You could be a whole lot worse off than you are.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

How about the fact that you are able right now to live, breathe, work, type, laugh, eat, love, etc. I'd say that's pretty rewarding.

Just think. You could be a whole lot worse off than you are.

Your right, I could be burning in Hell because I wasnt given any evidence!

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@katiemygirl

Why would you and any person good or bad not deserve heaven?

God said you deserved it by dying on the cross.

Is that a contradition between the scripture you posted and the gospels I mentioned, or do both scriptures and gospels need to be read in context to agree with each other?

 

[katiemygirl]

="Taylor Seraphim, post: 4722828, member: 59147"]That is not what you said Katie.

This is what you said.

Now how is it easier to believe that you are going to die and never be able to see your loved ones again then follow a set of morals that I mostly already follow?!!?!!

Both ways are wrong. Jesus said there is only one way, and that's through Him.

Not believing in the afterlife is wrong because God said there is life after death.

Believing you can get to heaven because you are good morally is also wrong. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. You can't do it on your own.

 

[Raahim]

I disagree, unlike you I listened to both the skeptic and believers sides and even though I am biased towards the believers side I admit that the skeptic where right.

First, you can't know to who I've talked with - I have talked with many people, both religious (Jews, Muslims, Jehova's, Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants) and non-religious (from various fields of history & science). For you sceptics were right because you're missing those lenses I've written about and that's completely fine and you really don't need religion to be spiritual or worship God (in any way you want within fields of moral).

If your god really loved me, then he would reward all of my hard work with some shred of evidence.

My God knows what He's doing and I trust His decisions, reward will come when you'll need & deserve it because He knows the things we don't.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

First, you can't know to who I've talked with - I have talked with many people, both religious (Jews, Muslims, Jehova's, Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants) and non-religious (from various fields of history & science). For you sceptics were right because you're missing those lenses I've written about and that's completely fine and you really don't need religion to be spiritual or worship God (in any way you want within fields of moral).



My God knows what He's doing and I trust His decisions, reward will come when you'll need & deserve it because He knows the things we don't.

Raahim, would you condemn me to enteral torture if you where god?