Faith is Dangerous

[Windwalker]

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Faith that God or the universe has some benevolent plan for you.

Thousands are killed daily, go hungry are homeless. There are no guarantees in the universe. No reason to believe the the universe is going to take your best interest into consideration. No reason to believe your future is bright.

My son believes the universe/God has a special plan for him. That he just needs to wait for the universe/God to reveal it.

Who has been watching out for him are his mom and dad. Parents who sacrifice so he has a place to live and food to eat. Not everyone has parents who are able or wiling.

Is it not folly to assume that someone or something exists that will watch out for your best interests? Or that tomorrow you will have a place to sleep. Food to eat. A family to rely on?

I think about the thousands on families in Ukraine who have lost their homes, parents who have lost their children, children who have lost their parents. Who are now homeless.

Faith is a luxury no one can afford.

Therefore, let us worry and be anxious about tomorrow and live our lives in perpetual fear. Anything other than this is the foolishness of faith to believe good actually exists and comes to those who live in hope of it. Misery. Gloom. Despair. These are rational conclusions we must accept, not this "faith" business.

BTW, your son appears right. The universe provided for him, with you watching out for him. It seems you are that provision. That's faith, which are the eyes you look at thing through. Some see only misery. Some see hope.

 

[Sheldon]

Why must it surely be despair?

If I did, I’d despair,

Yes but you didn't restrict your claim to just you, you said "no one can afford to be without faith", as the alternative "surely despair".

I would suggest that faith is a necessity no one can afford to be without; for the alternative to faith, given all the problems that currently beset the world, is surely despair.

Plenty of people seem to manage fine without religious faith.

 

[Sheldon]

Therefore, let us worry and be anxious about tomorrow and live our lives in perpetual fear. Anything other than this is the foolishness of faith to believe good actually exists and comes to those who live in hope of it. Misery. Gloom. Despair. These are rational conclusions we must accept, not this "faith" business.

Just asserting this doesn't make it true.

BTW, your son appears right. The universe provided for him, with you watching out for him. It seems you are that provision. That's faith, which are the eyes you look at thing through. Some see only misery. Some see hope.

Hope is a good thing, but I don't religious faith for that.

 

[samtonga43]

I do that constantly, but sadly, I do not think that most religious people do that, since they believe that have found The Truth.

Don't you believe you have found The Truth?

 

[Audie]

Everybody dies.

No distinction between " dies "
and " killed by".

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes, less faith, less risk, less danger.
All up to us.

That is the exact opposite as to what was offered to the required solution, so IMHO not a yes.

That is all that can be said. Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

Don't you believe you have found The Truth?

I believe I have found the Truth from God for this age, but that does not mean I am done questioning, challenging, or re-examining what I believe.

 

[Nakosis]

That is the exact opposite as to what was offered to the required solution, so IMHO not a yes.

That is all that can be said. Regards Tony

Sorry, guess I misunderstood your argument.

 

[Nakosis]

Therefore, let us worry and be anxious about tomorrow and live our lives in perpetual fear. Anything other than this is the foolishness of faith to believe good actually exists and comes to those who live in hope of it. Misery. Gloom. Despair. These are rational conclusions we must accept, not this "faith" business.

BTW, your son appears right. The universe provided for him, with you watching out for him. It seems you are that provision. That's faith, which are the eyes you look at thing through. Some see only misery. Some see hope.

My question is why him and not others?

 

[Windwalker]

My question is why him and not others?

What do you mean? Explain.

 

[Nakosis]

What do you mean? Explain.

Just that it is easy to assume someone is watching out for you when things are going well.
We forget when about all the times bad things happen.

And when people help each other is people making that choice to do so. Not because God or the universe is looking out for them.

Faith tends to give God too much credit and people not enough.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Without faith life and nature would fall apart. Without faith love, sex, and friendship are dead. I would like to think this world is the dream of something inevitable.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Have you seen the world? Either everything happens for a reason, the good outweighs the bad, and somehow it all works out eventually, in this world or the next; or else none of it means anything and all our suffering is for nothing. I don’t believe our suffering is for nothing. If I did, I’d despair, not for myself because I have a good life now, but for all those who still suffer.

The Universe itself is Chaotic and Orderly. This is also true for life on Earth, where beauty and danger reign. This doesn't necessarily mean it is all meaningless and our sufferings are for nothing. There are many threats in this world, but there are also many wonders and beauty found both throughout nature and of our own creations, which is fascinating and amazing that we have brains capable of percieving aesthetics and order sounds into music.
I see no reason for despair.

 

[firedragon]

Sure, faith is a gamble on the unknown with unknown odds.
So things/the universe is as likely to act against you as for you.
Gambling with unknown odds is an inherent risk. IOW, the outcome, regardless of any action you take is unknown.
The greater the risk you allow, the greater the chances are that things/the universe will work against you.
The more faith you allow, the more risk you accept in the outcome, the greater the danger that exists in you in achieving whatever goal you seek.
Therefore in order to limit the risk/danger to you, it is best to avoid reliance on faith in your goals as much as possible.

Nakosis. You are preaching just like a priest.

 

[Windwalker]

Just that it is easy to assume someone is watching out for you when things are going well.
We forget when about all the times bad things happen.

I think people tend to see that it was faith that pulled them through the hard times, as opposed to giving up hope and succumbing to despair during them. But don't mistake faith as a happy and always cheery optimistic outlook. Faith is really just not giving up preserving, not fake smiles when things are crappy. That's just fear being masked with denial.

And when people help each other is people making that choice to do so. Not because God or the universe is looking out for them.

But their choice to do so, is the universe caring for them. Do you imagine those people exist outside the universe?

Faith tends to give God too much credit and people not enough.

I wouldn't say so. I'd say magical thinkers overlook how good comes to them through other people, and try to see signs of supernaturalism to shore up their immature faith. But hopefully as they mature, they recognize that good from "God" comes through others.

 

[rational experiences]

Faith.

My mother human owns all life continuance in her human body.

I have faith my mother wants humanity to be family again and survive.

My spirit being. Human life human living human healthy human happy.

I don't use universal themes fake. By AI man's machines transmitting back and forth. By man human's own mind use a human thought.

Sciences faith is not mine. I'm not another humans theory. I know God earth reacts naturally as first as does it's heavens. As a human.

I live I abide my faith is to bring self hu man destructive behaviours it's notice.

So natural life surviving can be as happily lived as it should be.

No human theists no science invention used to destroy. Family unity trade mutual trade equality as a good life.

No rich man no poor man just a happy healthy man.

Human mother human son teachings. Don't believe fake mans sciences belief.

Our heavens owns no space or universe just earth as our one God.

One God is a human owned taught status that said on a shut book.
No man is God.

However to know no man is God you opened the book and re read it.

Humanity humans laws saves humans life spirituality health wellbeing with gods presence. Have to reunite as once agreed as 0AD.

Now on this day we should say from this time 2022. Our new revelations for ourselves will be. Our human will.

No reactive sciences.

Natural science using what God owns as water wind solar thermal. Not human lying not being greedy not inventing other than sharing a good life.

All criminal human by worlds family agreement put in jail if they cannot abide world family diversity unity and mutual trade share.

Who would rather murder a whole nation's family for greed and powermongering.

Our God earth our God is our heavens our God gave us everything we needed for a good human life.

Once an irradiated man men group chose by feelings how to group bully coerce self status as humans only above that of natural family.

By threat murder. Which proves once very meek and innocent humans were betrayed by men. Humans by choice.

Today is the moment to say not any longer.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Disagree -- the better alternative to faith is a combination of hope and a willingness to make the effort to achieve what one hopes for. And that does not include getting on your knees and praying for some "higher power" to do it for you.

If that works for you, then fine. For some of us, reliance on a Higher Power is essential for all sorts of reasons. This has nothing to do with avoiding our own responsibilities to help others; rather, it can give us the strength to meet them.

 

[RestlessSoul]

The Universe itself is Chaotic and Orderly. This is also true for life on Earth, where beauty and danger reign. This doesn't necessarily mean it is all meaningless and our sufferings are for nothing. There are many threats in this world, but there are also many wonders and beauty found both throughout nature and of our own creations, which is fascinating and amazing that we have brains capable of percieving aesthetics and order sounds into music.
I see no reason for despair.

So you have a philosophical perspective which helps you find joy and purpose in life. And you have faith, of a sort, in that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So you have a philosophical perspective which helps you find joy and purpose in life. And you have faith, of a sort, in that.

It's not faith. I have learned to accept that largely and mostly things are just simply out of my control. There is no despair in that. Yes, there is much suffering in the world, but there's nothing I can do about it so it is not something to worry about. Such as Ukraine. It is horrible and terrible what is happening, but nothing I can do could have stopped it or stop it, and it's not a danger to me.
Another way to look at it is when I was a case manager at a mental health facility I couldn't let my clients problems become my problems and I had to leave their problems at work. It doesn't mean I didn't care about them, it's just their problems aren't mine and it's not healthy to take them on. I have my own problems and worries.

 

[Clara Tea]

Faith that God or the universe has some benevolent plan for you.

Thousands are killed daily, go hungry are homeless. There are no guarantees in the universe. No reason to believe the the universe is going to take your best interest into consideration. No reason to believe your future is bright.

My son believes the universe/God has a special plan for him. That he just needs to wait for the universe/God to reveal it.

Who has been watching out for him are his mom and dad. Parents who sacrifice so he has a place to live and food to eat. Not everyone has parents who are able or wiling.

Is it not folly to assume that someone or something exists that will watch out for your best interests? Or that tomorrow you will have a place to sleep. Food to eat. A family to rely on?

I think about the thousands on families in Ukraine who have lost their homes, parents who have lost their children, children who have lost their parents. Who are now homeless.

Faith is a luxury no one can afford.

Scientologists say that you will get your heart's desire.

You say that you won't.

Guess who gets more followers.

Heaven is a powerful inducement for Christians. They are willing to do anything to get there.

Putin is a Christians and he made the war in the Ukraine.