Fake Covid Vaccination Cards Are on the Rise

[We Never Know]

Yes.
But the post & response still stand.

Wasn't meant to be against your post, its was for clarity.

 

[Revoltingest]

Wasn't meant to be against your post, its was for clarity.

OK.

 

[ecco]

Last I heard, my medical history is personal.

It is indeed personal. You can share it or not that is your decision. You have chosen to share it with the internet.

On the other hand, restaurant and other business owners have to right to try to protect their employees and their patrons. So they have a right to refuse to allow anyone in their facilities who can't prove they are vaccinated.

If you don't want to show proof of vaccine, that is up to you. No shoes, no shirt, no vaccine - no service.

 

[ecco]

What we do know is that vaccinated people can still get COVID. So... what is the difference?

The difference is that 6% of vaccinated people can get covid.

Insofar as the status of people who had a mild case, there are no definitive statistics on the rate and degree of immunity.

You should know that without having to ask on a forum.

 

[ecco]

This sounds more like forcing a new method, (changing DNA) on people who may not want to be a guinea pig for the testing.

When you use phrases like the above you are making it clear you are getting your information from the fringe and not from science.

COVID-19 Vaccine Facts

Can receiving a COVID-19 vaccine cause you to be magnetic?

No. Receiving a COVID-19 vaccine will not make you magnetic, including at the site of vaccination which is usually your arm.


Will a COVID-19 vaccine alter my DNA?
No. COVID-19 vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way. Both mRNA and viral vector COVID-19 vaccines deliver instructions (genetic material) to our cells to start building protection against the virus that causes COVID-19. However, the material never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA is kept.

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Why do you prefer to use fringe sourcews for your information rather than actual science?

 

[Kenny]

AIDS is quite survivable now.
Modern HIV Diagnosis is No Longer a Death Sentence

The Spanish flu was a century ago, & it had no vaccine
(attempts to create one notwithstanding). Things have
changed since then.
If a form of pneumonia becomes as pandemic as
Covid 19, we could expect them to be treated similarly.

That's a common misconception.
The vaccines don't change your DNA.
COVID-19 Vaccines: Myth Versus Fact'

Anti-vaxers are very concerned with their own rights.
But they don't consider the rights of others.
So they should be prepared to be denied access
to businesses who have the right to protect their
workers & customers.

Survivable doesn't mean healable. In those days, it was a death sentence. Covid is not a death sentence and is healable.

OK... I should have said RNA - which codes amino acids... it is still playing with genetic engineering. Regular vaccines simply insert real (dead or alive) disease so that the natural process of creating antibodies. It still is in a stage of testing since we still don't know of all the side effects which the FDA listed.

COVID-19 Vaccines: Myth Versus Fact
FACT: The COVID-19 vaccines are designed to help your body’s immune system fight the coronavirus. The messenger RNA from two of the first types of COVID-19 vaccines does enter cells, but not the nucleus of the cells where DNA resides. The mRNA does its job to cause the cell to make protein to stimulate the immune system, and then it quickly breaks down — without affecting your DNA. (an engineered RNA)

Anti-vaxers do not detract from the rights of others. Other people can get their vaccines. If those who want to be vaccinated are... then they have exercised their rights and those who haven't been vaccinated, won't affect those who are (assuming 1- they have covid; 2 - they actually transmit it).

Please don't get hung up on Spanish Flu... use Influenza if you want. (it's the principle I am talking about)

 

[ecco]

Covid is not a death sentence and is healable.

The families of 600,000 of your fellow Americans would disagree with you.

 

[Kenny]

The difference is that 6% of vaccinated people can get covid.

Insofar as the status of people who had a mild case, there are no definitive statistics on the rate and degree of immunity.

You should know that without having to ask on a forum.

So, then, have a "covid passport" means nothing?

 

[Shaul]

Some aspects of med history cannot be though.
For example, if you had AIDS, this must be disclosed
to anyone you have contact with, & could transmit it to.
Your status as a Typhoid Mary is similar in that the
health of people we might infect & kill trumps our
right to privacy.
Those who feel strongly that they shouldn't cooperate
in verifying they're free of the plague might find that
some people, organizations, & businesses will refuse
service. We've no right to compel them.

Remind me how many people were prosecuted for failing to disclose they had AIDS.

 

[Kenny]

The families of 600,000 of your fellow Americans would disagree with you.

And over 1,500,000 people die every year from pneumonia and influenza... should we have a pneumonia and influenza passport?

But you are sidestepping the point I was making -- not to mention that there are so many other variables - obesity being one of them as well as age.

If I am sick... I stay home. If you are sick, you shouldn't go to work. But to have a "vaccine passport"? No thank you. Invasion of my medical privacy.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

For example, if you had AIDS, this must be disclosed
to anyone you have contact with, & could transmit it to.

Where is this legally required?

 

[Kenny]

It is indeed personal. You can share it or not that is your decision. You have chosen to share it with the internet.

On the other hand, restaurant and other business owners have to right to try to protect their employees and their patrons. So they have a right to refuse to allow anyone in their facilities who can't prove they are vaccinated.

If you don't want to show proof of vaccine, that is up to you. No shoes, no shirt, no vaccine - no service.

Yes... that is fine... and if you sneeze, I can tell you to leave too or command you to go get tested again because 6% of vaccinated people get COVID and we don't know how long the vaccination last.

 

[We Never Know]

And over 1,500,000 people die every year from pneumonia and influenza... should we have a pneumonia and influenza passport?

But you are sidestepping the point I was making -- not to mention that there are so many other variables - obesity being one of them as well as age.

If I am sick... I stay home. If you are sick, you shouldn't go to work. But to have a "vaccine passport"? No thank you. Invasion of my medical privacy.

If some goes somewhere, say a restaurant and has to show a "I'm vaccinated card" how does the place know its really theirs?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The difference is that 6% of vaccinated people can get covid.

Insofar as the status of people who had a mild case, there are no definitive statistics on the rate and degree of immunity.

You should know that without having to ask on a forum.

Which makes me wonder if businesses should not give service to vaccinated because they can still spread the virus. Since level of risk isn't considered, there shouldn't be segregation.

 

[Revoltingest]

Survivable doesn't mean healable. In those days, it was a death sentence. Covid is not a death sentence and is healable.

Not for the millions who've died of it.

OK... I should have said RNA - which codes amino acids... it is still playing with genetic engineering. Regular vaccines simply insert real (dead or alive) disease so that the natural process of creating antibodies. It still is in a stage of testing since we still don't know of all the side effects which the FDA listed.

mRNA vaccines have been around for 20 years.

Anti-vaxers do not detract from the rights of others.

They do if thru their carelessness they infect others.

Other people can get their vaccines. If those who want to be vaccinated are... then they have exercised their rights and those who haven't been vaccinated, won't affect those who are (assuming 1- they have covid; 2 - they actually transmit it).

Anti-vaxers still affect others. Vaccines aren't 100% effective,
so there's still a risk...just greatly reduced. And anti-vaxers
pose a risk to the unvaccinated, some of whom aren't approved
for vaccination.

Please don't get hung up on Spanish Flu... use Influenza if you want. (it's the principle I am talking about)

I'm dealing with principles.

 

[Revoltingest]

Which makes me wonder if businesses should not give service to vaccinated because they can still spread the virus. Since level of risk isn't considered, there shouldn't be segregation.

It's a matter of relative risk posed.
The unvaccinated are much more dangerous.
This is why I'll discriminate based upon immunity status.
It's not just my right for my business...it's my obligation.

 

[We Never Know]

It's a matter of relative risk posed.
The unvaccinated are much more dangerous.
This is why I'll discriminate based upon immunity status.
It's not just my right for my business...it's my obligation.

"The unvaccinated are much more dangerous."

To who? The unvaccinated others but not the vaccinated because its 96% effective.

 

[Revoltingest]

Where is this legally required?

Remind me how many people were prosecuted for failing to disclose they had AIDS.

About 300, according to....
Barebacking & HIV Disclosure: What's the Law?

There is also tort law, ie, a person one infects without
disclosing one's status could sue one for damages & win.

One might argue that one has the right to infect others
with any disease one has. One might argue that it's
legal. But why on Earth would anyone want to do it?

 

[Revoltingest]

"The unvaccinated are much more dangerous."

To who? The unvaccinated others but not the vaccinated because its 96% effective.

To other unvaccinated people, eg, children, other anti-vaxers.
I certainly wouldn't want an anti-vaxer to get infected, & risk
infirmity & death. The possibility that it was caused by a
fellow anti-vaxer doesn't make it any less of a wrong.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It's a matter of relative risk posed.
The unvaccinated are much more dangerous.
This is why I'll discriminate based upon immunity status.
It's not just my right for my business...it's my obligation.

They're not dangerous (just saying)-that's just what vaccinated people believe cause they don't know who is asymptomatic so anyone can be in danger to them.

For example, I can come near you and you can "think" you're in danger because I'm not vaccinated. Which is fine-just don't jump into the street as I see some do. Anyone can think others are in danger to them and segregate especially when you don't know if I'm asymptomatic.

Now if you got sick you may THINK it was me that got you sick since you have a strong correlation.... without proof of this too it's your perception.

But if the experts and media say you guys are in danger of unvaccinated people, I assume you are. To me that's silly. I get scared sometimes of things I don't know-that's human. Weirdly enough, this isn't one of them. Shrugs.

Just a thought not a sermon.