Fake Covid Vaccination Cards Are on the Rise

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There are few *guarantees* in life. No black and white available.

But there *is* reasonable risk assessment and mitigation.

Those that are allowed to get vaccines and that do not get them are a societal menace. Reasonable mitigation of that menace can and should be done. And that can involve refusal of services.

If John goes to a restaurant that has fully vaccinated 50 people eating in it and is refused service because he us unvaccinated, the risk is minimal being the vaccine is 96% effective.
Not to mention there could be 5 of the vaccinated people in there carrying the virus and could spread it to the other vaccinated people. .

 

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I can't compare this health-related crisis to just credit history and income level. If COVID was approved as disability (say symptoms cause disability) that can turn into a lawsuit.

That's easily dealt with by providing reasonable accommodation.
I could allow them to rent after recovery & either vaccination or
quarantine & testing. But bear in mind that a person who
intends to put my workers at risk for Covid 19 will very likely
fare poorly in court.
Why on Earth do these people want to expose others to
a pandemic?

 

[We Never Know]

That's easily dealt with by providing reasonable accommodation.
I could allow them to rent after recovery & either vaccination or
quarantine & testing. But bear in mind that a person who
intends to put my workers at risk for Covid 19 will very likely
fare poorly in court.a
Why on Earth do these people want to expose others to
a pandemic?

With these people and the vaccinated there is no significant difference in the viral load present in the breakthrough infections occurring in fully vaccinated people and the other cases, suggesting the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with the coronavirus is similar.

 

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With these people and the vaccinated there is no significant difference in the viral load present in the breakthrough infections occurring in fully vaccinated people and the other cases, suggesting the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with the coronavirus is similar.

Study: Those Vaccinated Who Get COVID Carry Less Virus

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That's easily dealt with by providing reasonable accommodation.
I could allow them to rent after recovery & either vaccination or
quarantine & testing. But bear in mind that a person who
intends to put my workers at risk for Covid 19 will very likely
fare poorly in court.a
Why on Earth do these people want to expose others to
a pandemic?

You'd have to show how much possible customers are at risk, though, if it were a legal issue. Being unvaccinated in and of itself means nothing other than being at "a" risk. How much you feel you're at risk in a private business is legally justifiable. In a public business, though, what would you use to prove that you're at such a risk of catching COVID other than just vaccination status?

Vaccination status doesn't tell anyone what a person intended to do and what that intention is.

It depends on their level of risk (cough, again) to feel if their concern about catching and spreading COVID is great enough to be vaccinated.

You put yourself at risk by things like not washing your hands, being in people's faces, anything that spreads germs. That's what increases your risk of possibly catching COVID. Vaccination status decrease your risk of getting severe symptoms once you have it. You can still spread it.

How would you prove the consequence outweighs possible risk? (I asked that wrong on my other reply).

 

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Study: Those Vaccinated Who Get COVID Carry Less Virus

Your link is from July 2nd.
This link is from July 30th.

When revising its mask guidance this week to urge even vaccinated people to wear masks indoors in much of the country, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was criticized for not citing data in making that move.

Now it has — and the data is sobering.

The study details a COVID-19 outbreak that started July 3 in Provincetown, Mass., involving 469 cases. It found that three-quarters of cases occurred in fully vaccinated people. Massachusetts has a high rate of vaccination: about 69% among eligible adults in the state at the time of the study.

It also found no significant difference in the viral load present in the breakthrough infections occurring in fully vaccinated people and the other cases, suggesting the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with the coronavirus is similar.

Vaccinated People With Breakthrough Infections Can Spread The Delta Variant, CDC Says

 

[Revoltingest]

You'd have to show how much possible customers are at risk....

I'm always prepared to back up my policies.
Study: Those Vaccinated Who Get COVID Carry Less Virus
Where I live there are very few MAGAs, so my odds
in court favor treating Covid 19 as a serious health risk.

I deal with conspiracy theorists, loonies, & extremists
regularly. I face many risks, & make the best decisions
I can. Such is business.

 

[Revoltingest]

Vaccinated People With Breakthrough Infections Can Spread The Delta Variant, CDC Says

Saying "can spread" is of course true.
The fact that vaccines aren't 100% effective
isn't an argument against vaccination.
I'm balancing risk....not looking for perfection.

 

[We Never Know]

Saying "can spread" is of course true.
The fact that vaccines aren't 100% effective
isn't an argument against vaccination.
I'm balancing risk....not looking for perfection.

But the science says "It also found no significant difference in the viral load present in the breakthrough infections occurring in fully vaccinated people and the other cases, suggesting the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with the coronavirus is similar."

 

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But the science says "It also found no significant difference in the viral load present in the breakthrough infections occurring in fully vaccinated people and the other cases, suggesting the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with the coronavirus is similar."

Link to "the science"?

 

[We Never Know]

Saying "can spread" is of course true.
The fact that vaccines aren't 100% effective
isn't an argument against vaccination.
I'm balancing risk....not looking for perfection.

Only an infected person, vaccinated or unvaccinated, "can spread" it.

 

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Only an infected person, vaccinated or unvaccinated, "can spread" it.

This isn't quantitative.
So it doesn't support the equal viral load claim.

 

[We Never Know]

Link to "the science"?

The study I linked. The CDC uses scientific supported studies.

 

[Revoltingest]

The study I linked. The CDC uses scientific supported studies.

In the event of conflicting cromulent sources,
I'll conduct business in the safer way, ie,
assuming the worst case.

And from the CDC itself...
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
Excerpted...
Data from multiple studies in different countries suggest that people vaccinated with Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine who develop COVID-19 have a lower viral load than unvaccinated people.(41-44) This observation may indicate reduced transmissibility, as viral load has been identified as a key driver of transmission.(45)

 

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In the event of conflicting cromulent sources,
I'll conduct business in the safer way, ie,
assuming the worst case.

As you should. I'm just pointing out just because someone has taken the vaccine they can still carry and spread it with similar viral load as an unvaccinated person. But it seems no one vaccinated wants to hear or accept that.

 

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As you should. I'm just pointing out just because someone has taken the vaccine they can still carry and spread it with similar viral load as an unvaccinated person. But it seems no one vaccinated wants to hear or accept that.

The risk is not equal according to the CDC as of July 27....
"Data from multiple studies in different countries suggest that people vaccinated with Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine who develop COVID-19 have a lower viral load than unvaccinated people.(41-44) This observation may indicate reduced transmissibility, as viral load has been identified as a key driver of transmission.(45)"

 

[We Never Know]

In the event of conflicting cromulent sources,
I'll conduct business in the safer way, ie,
assuming the worst case.

And from the CDC itself...
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
Excerpted...
Data from multiple studies in different countries suggest that people vaccinated with Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine who develop COVID-19 have a lower viral load than unvaccinated people.(41-44) This observation may indicate reduced transmissibility, as viral load has been identified as a key driver of transmission.(45)

Does that study include the varients of delta, delta plus and lambda?

The ones I linked included delta.

 

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The risk is not equal according to the CDC as of July 27....
"Data from multiple studies in different countries suggest that people vaccinated with Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine who develop COVID-19 have a lower viral load than unvaccinated people.(41-44) This observation may indicate reduced transmissibility, as viral load has been identified as a key driver of transmission.(45)"

Does that study include the varients of delta, delta plus and lambda?

The ones I linked included delta.

 

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Does that study include the varients of delta, delta plus and lambda?
The ones I linked included delta.

What I mean is when you go to the judge and say "the study says unvaccinated people have higher chance of carrying the virus and therefore I'm at risk" that just tells the judge "hey, all unvaccinated people are at risk... case closed."

But the judge wants you to apply this study to your specific situation. What's the nature of the business? How many people come in the store? Where are you located? Did someone Do anything that makes you know you're in danger?

What other factors tip you off that you're going to get COVID?

I can't imagine determine whether I'm in danger based on a study or what other people say. I'd base it on my situation. How do I know that ' I ' am in danger of getting COVID.

It's getting late, so I'm going to agree to disagree.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm always prepared to back up my policies.
Study: Those Vaccinated Who Get COVID Carry Less Virus
Where I live there are very few MAGAs, so my odds
in court favor treating Covid 19 as a serious health risk.

I deal with conspiracy theorists, loonies, & extremists
regularly. I face many risks, & make the best decisions
I can. Such is business.

What I mean is when you go to the judge and say "the study says unvaccinated people have higher chance of carrying the virus and therefore I'm at risk" that just tells the judge "hey, all unvaccinated people are at risk... case closed."

But the judge wants you to apply this study to your specific situation. What's the nature of the business? How many people come in the store? Where are you located? Did someone Do anything that makes you know you're in danger?

What other factors tip you off that you're going to get COVID?

I can't imagine determine whether I'm in danger based on a study or what other people say. I'd base it on my situation. How do I know that ' I ' am in danger of getting COVID.