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[LuisDantas]

How is that related ?!

Being sure about God, Mohammad and the Quran yet doubting about the Paris attackers is not doing you any favors.

 

[columbus]

No, you just misunderstood my words.
Which story to believe,fabricated or genuine smart terrorist assault on Modern France.

You've got your head further in the sand than most people.

Given recent history the likelihood of the murders being a fabrication is minute. Not impossible, but vastly less likely than that they are pretty much as described.

You keep ignoring the bulk of my posts and going back to your utterly unsupported assertion that a fake up is a reasonable possibility. I believe that the reason for that is your inability to see Islamist culture as it is.

Tom

 

[FearGod]

Being sure about God, Mohammad and the Quran yet doubting about the Paris attackers is not doing you any favors.

As you're sure that accidents and chances created the universe and life on earth.

 

[LuisDantas]

As you're sure that accidents and chances created the universe and life on earth.

Very weak comparison. For one, I am not sure, I just don't think that matters much. For another, even if I did there are no people dying for that.

 

[FearGod]

Very weak comparison. For one, I am not sure, I just don't think that matters much. For another, even if I did there are no people dying for that.

Why ? if some one believe in God then people will die for that.
Do you mean the atheist has more moral than the believer and never kill a soul ?
How ones belief is related to killing people ?

 

[LuisDantas]

Why ? if some one believe in God then people will die for that.

Precisely. Don't you see that this is exactly what enables religiously-motivated violence?

What do you think happened in 9/11? What do you think is happening now in Paris? What do you think happened time and again so often in so many different places?

Do you mean the atheist has more moral than the believer and never kill a soul ?

Atheists, by definition, lack the means to trap themselves into killing "in God's name", so yes.

How ones belief is related to killing people ?

Some beliefs suit themselves to becoming a "soldier of God", which usually translates into trampling over other people's rights, including that of living.

 

[FearGod]

Precisely. Don't you see that this is exactly what enables religiously-motivated violence?

Religion doesn't motivate killing innocent people, thats what makes me surprising of the purpose behind those crimes done by the name of religion.

What do you think happened in 9/11? What do you think is happening now in Paris? What do you think happened time and again so often in so many different places?

How can i know or to be sure of any thing ? but for you, you're sure of everything.

Atheists, by definition, lack the means to trap themselves into killing "in God's name", so yes.

And how can we know if atheists claiming Islam killing in God's name.

Some beliefs suit themselves to becoming a "soldier of God", which usually translates into trampling over other people's rights, including that of living.

Soldier of God to resist oppressors and to become oppressors themselves.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Religion doesn't motivate killing innocent people,

Religious fascists are skilled at interpreting religious texts to suit their own purposes.

 

[LuisDantas]

Religion doesn't motivate killing innocent people, thats what makes me surprising of the purpose behind those crimes done by the name of religion.

What do you mean? Religion has centuries of history of motivating the killing of innocents. It is historical fact, and even part of many scriptures.

How can i know or to be sure of any thing ? but for you, you're sure of everything.

I have indeed concluded that feigning ignorance out of convenience is dishonorable, if that what you mean.

And how can we know if atheists claiming Islam killing in God's name.

Sorry, but I will need to ask you to say that again in some other way. I am failing to understand what you mean with this specific wording.

Soldier of God to resist oppressors and to become oppressors themselves.

Yes, that is one of several ways how those things happen. The scariest thing is that most often they begin with good enough intention.

 

[FearGod]

Religious fascists are skilled at interpreting religious texts to suit their own purposes.

They're called hypocrites.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I believe that the reason for that is your inability to see Islamist culture as it is.

Indeed. Inability or denial.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

They're called hypocrites.

Some religious texts are more easily interpreted to condone violence than others of course.

Are jihadists hypocrites? I don't know, but there is clearly an element of calculation and political strategy.

 

[FearGod]

What do you mean? Religion has centuries of history of motivating the killing of innocents. It is historical fact, and even part of many scriptures.

No, you're absolutely wrong.
Religion is to help the weaker against the oppressor.
The world today is polluted with nuclear weapons which will be used one day for what it made for and such weapons weren't made by Muslims and i'm more than sure that you find these weapons as a great invention.

I have indeed concluded that feigning ignorance out of convenience is dishonorable, if that what you mean.

Reword please.

Sorry, but I will need to ask you to say that again in some other way. I am failing to understand what you mean with this specific wording.

How can you be sure that those murderers killing by the name of religion aren't atheists themselves ?
Can you read what is inside their minds and hearts ?

Yes, that is one of several ways how those things happen. The scariest thing is that most often they begin with good enough intention.

Killing innocents can never be done as good intention, it is the other way round, it's made to destroy religion.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

How can you be sure that those murderers killing by the name of religion aren't atheists themselves ?

France is a secular republic. Why on earth would an atheist want to attack a system like that? Doesn't make sense.

Maybe you would like to spare a thought for the victims in Paris, by the way. Just take a break from the conspiracy theories and reflect on the human suffering.
Even the terrorists had people who loved them.

 

[LuisDantas]

No, you're absolutely wrong.

I wish I were. That would mean that the world is a lot safer and saner than I believe it to be.

Religion is to help the weaker against the oppressor.

That is what many oppressors say while yielding religious belief as a motivational weapon.

The world today is polluted with nuclear weapons which will be used one day for what it made for and such weapons weren't made by Muslims and i'm more than sure that you find these weapons as a great invention.

You obviously have not seen my recent posts in the thread about the use of nuclear weapons in Japan in WW2.

Nor do you have a lot of respect for me as a person, just as obviously. But I guess I should have expected that, unfair as it is.

Reword please.

I should be honorable enough not to pretend ignorance when it does not fit the situation. As should everyone else, I think.

How can you be sure that those murderers killing by the name of religion aren't atheists themselves ?

For one thing, that would make no sense.

Even taking for granted that they somehow had both the means and the motivation to pretend to be believers while commiting violence and claiming to be inspired by Allah (for what purpose? Denigrate Islam, perhaps?), it would not fly. Those people have pasts, history, communities. They are not impostors.

I'm surprised you even ask such a question. It does not reflect well on you.

Can you read what is inside their minds and hearts ?

I know what "Allah Akbar" means, which is some indication. I also know that atheists tend not to offer themselves as violent martyrs for Allah, as is to be expected.

Killing innocents can never be done as good intention,

Unfortunately, that is not true either. War is like that.

it is the other way round, it's made to destroy religion.

That... sorry, I must say it directly: that is a lie. You should be ashamed.

 

[FearGod]

France is a secular republic. Why on earth would an atheist want to attack a system like that? Doesn't make sense.

For political reasons, you know that there are many french Muslims and that would count, destroying the religion is what atheists want.

Maybe you would like to spare a thought for the victims in Paris, by the way. Just take a break from the conspiracy theories and reflect on the human suffering.

 

[FearGod]

I wish I were. That would mean that the world is a lot safer and saner than I believe it to be.

Humans from the day of creation were crazy and thats why the Angels asked God why to place Humans on earth and they'll cause corruption and they'll murder each other, God answered that he has a knowledge for the purpose of the creation of man.

So don't blame religion for that, and it is as if saying that the world will be great without religion and then all atheists are great men by definition.

That is what many oppressors say while yielding religious belief as a motivational weapon.

Do you mean that all oppressors are religious by definition and they should yield religious belief ?

You obviously have not seen my recent posts in the thread about the use of nuclear weapons in Japan in WW2.

No, i didn't indeed.
Did you blame religion for that !

Nor do you have a lot of respect for me as a person, just as obviously. But I guess I should have expected that, unfair as it is.

I'm sorry, but i don't mean it, but i see it as unfair to look with one eye.

I should be honorable enough not to pretend ignorance when it does not fit the situation. As should everyone else, I think.

So you're sure of what is going on.
Are you politician ?

For one thing, that would make no sense.

It makes no sense that an atheist be a murderer with a religious mask.
Why do you think so ?
Are atheists impeccable humans.

Even taking for granted that they somehow had both the means and the motivation to pretend to be believers while commiting violence and claiming to be inspired by Allah (for what purpose? Denigrate Islam, perhaps?), it would not fly. Those people have pasts, history, communities. They are not impostors.

I'm surprised you even ask such a question. It does not reflect well on you.

aha, they aren't imposters then they're real Muslims,
What a silly point you made here

I know what "Allah Akbar" means, which is some indication. I also know that atheists tend not to offer themselves as violent martyrs for Allah, as is to be expected.

Distorting Islam can't be a reason ?
Why you don't think it so ?
Atheists are fighting religion every where and i don't know why they need to.

Unfortunately, that is not true either. War is like that.

Killing innocents isn't a war

That... sorry, I must say it directly: that is a lie. You should be ashamed.

Are you sure no efforts were made to distort religion ?
I wonder what the media is doing for religion as some atheists in the religious forums.
I should be ashamed of what !!

 

[LuisDantas]

For political reasons, you know that there are many french Muslims and that would count, destroying the religion is what atheists want.

Seeing how much dangerous denial often accompanies it - as you just showed us in this thread - this is quickly becoming true, for me at least.

As for what you should be ashamed of, this insistence in grasping at the all-but-utterly-implausible idea that the Paris assaulters must be atheists in disguise sure springs to mind.

In this respect most Christians show more maturity than Muslims, for good or worse. They acknowledge that some of their own are, quite simply, taking their belief in God way too seriously in way too dangerous ways.

That misguidance plainly happens among Muslims as well, but the scary thing is not that such violence happens. It is rather that so many Muslims have apparently brainwashed themselves into flat out being unable of accepting that it does.

At this point I am really having a hard time picturing the Muslim community as not completely overtaken by an odd variation of Stockholm Syndrome.

Stockholm syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[FearGod]

Seeing how much dangerous denial often accompanies it - as you just showed us in this thread - this is quickly becoming true, for me at least.

As for what you should be ashamed of, this insistence in grasping at the all-but-utterly-implausible idea that the Paris assaulters must be atheists in disguise sure springs to mind.

In this respect most Christians show more maturity than Muslims, for good or worse. They acknowledge that some of their own are, quite simply, taking their belief in God way too seriously in way too dangerous ways.

That misguidance plainly happens among Muslims as well, but the scary thing is not that such violence happens. It is rather that so many Muslims have apparently brainwashed themselves into flat out being unable of accepting that it does.

At this point I am really having a hard time picturing the Muslim community as not completely overtaken by an odd variation of Stockholm Syndrome.

Stockholm syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to my religion it's a crime and those who did it are criminals, hypocrites and atheists and not showing any mercy toward the armless civilians regardless of their opinions about Islam can't be described as a religious act but a satanic one.

Islam teaches morals and as to be kind and merciful, every Muslim knows that killing a soul is a great sin except if it did kill another soul, but killing a person for his opinion, writings and drawings can never be explained by the teaching of Islam, so how you want me to describe them other than atheists, to me at least, i know you don't like them to be described as atheists but as a Muslim terrorists because they said God is great (allah akbar),strong evidence that they were Muslims by heart and mind.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Islam teaches morals and as to be kind and merciful, every Muslim knows that killing a soul is a great sin except if it did kill another soul, but killing a person for his opinion, writings and drawings can never be explained by the teaching of Islam, so how you want me to describe them other than atheists, to me at least, i know you don't like them to be described as atheists but as a Muslim terrorists because they said God is great (allah akbar),strong evidence that they were Muslims by heart and mind.

I think they are religious fascists following a perverted interpretation of Islamic teachings. The idea that they are atheists is just silly.