False Victimhood

[Revoltingest]

Was there a "definition" of racism that requires
"Power" as a component?

Yes, it's a definition which is used by those who seek to excuse racism
by downtrodden minorities. For example, when black folk are prejudiced
against white or asian folk, it's not racism cuz they lack institutional power.
Seeing people as groups rather than individuals is useful to them.

 

[Augustus]

This is such a disgusting double standard. For example; How many black comedians have made a very good living making jokes about white people? HMM, I guess that's ok though? Personally, I am not offended by this, I laugh at the jokes.

 

[Cacotopia]

Chinkette?

So a racist slander is cute huh? Where I come from racial slurs like that gets you “packed out” but luckily we have internet and anonymity. I’m not surprise Audrie thinks that is cute but I find you calling her a chink very racist and inappropriate.

Just in case anyone was wondering

Chink - Wikipedia

“Chinkette” just means a female version of the slur.

I would be curious how you spoke to your friends, would an outsider think you were insulting each other?

Just like the rest of the closeknit cliques of people on the planet, their jargon with each other may sound insulting. When the message between them is as far from it as possible.

 

[Audie]

I would be curious how you spoke to your friends, would an outsider think you were insulting each other?

Just like the rest of the closeknit cliques of people on the planet, their jargon with each other may sound insulting. When the message between them is as far from it as possible.

Hardly being "black" myself, I do not see things from
any such pov, so why they so freely use the N
word, I dont know.

For me, referring to myself as a chinkette kind of
takes out any sting the word might otherwise have.

 

[Cacotopia]

Hardly being "black" myself, I do not see things from
any such pov, so why they so freely use the N
word, I dont know.

For me, referring to myself as a chinkette kind of
takes out any sting the word might otherwise have.

It doesn't matter what race you are, I am 99% positive you, or anyone else for that matter say insulting things to your friends' faces and it's all fun and cute.

To the outsider, it's appalling. And then they want to step in and police you. And that is a load of BS.

 

[Audie]

Yes, it's a definition which is used by those who seek to excuse racism
by downtrodden minorities. For example, when black folk are prejudiced
against white or asian folk, it's not racism cuz they lack institutional power.
Seeing people as groups rather than individuals is useful to them.

Ah, institutional power. I wonder which institutions
in the USA enable racism.

Here is something I do know about. In HK, there are
a lot of workers from like Indonesia and Philippines.

99% of them are like domestic helpers, that kind of
thing. And, they get treated to a lot of discrimination
and often, abuse. This is just how things are.

Institutional? Sure. The contracts give employers
way too much power, and, if something is bad
enough to go to court, everything is stacked
against the outsider.

 

[Audie]

It doesn't matter what race you are, I am 99% positive you, or anyone else for that matter say insulting things to your friends' faces and it's all fun and cute.

To the outsider, it's appalling. And then they want to step in and police you. And that is a load of BS.

well said

 

[Cacotopia]

Ah, institutional power. I wonder which institutions
in the USA enable racism.

Here is something I do know about. In HK, there are
a lot of workers from like Indonesia and Philippines.

99% of them are like domestic helpers, that kind of
thing. And, they get treated to a lot of discrimination
and often, abuse. This is just how things are.

Institutional? Sure. The contracts give employers
way too much power, and, if something is bad
enough to go to court, everything is stacked
against the outsider.

That's generally how it is in not western societies. The house has a royal flush and the foreigner has a pair of 2's. If say you got in a wreck it's your fault, cause if you were in your own country that wreck would not have happened.

 

[Audie]

That's generally how it is in not western societies. The house has a royal flush and the foreigner has a pair of 2's. If say you got in a wreck it's your fault, cause if you were in your own country that wreck would not have happened.

I suppose that is so.

Do you know of any institution in the USA
enables racial discrimination, other, that is,
than those which favour minorities?

 

[David1967]

To the outsider, it's appalling. And then they want to step in and police you. And that is a load of BS.

This. Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

This is such a disgusting double standard.

I'm not going to get into the discussion of the etymology of the word N***er versus N***a and the phonetic as well as socially accepted/rejected differences. I don't personally use either, but I'm aware there are words that have cultural implications. Sorry, white people do not get to dictate what rights they have when it comes to culturally specific words. Now if you want to privately discuss these differences I'm prepared to do so rather than derail the thread here.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

So you want me and @columbus to go to the east side for what reason?

I'm not saying literally, but I made that comment in daring you to test that theory that your relationship with your wife implying that its acceptable to joke that way as if it implies that its acceptable to all Asians to joke that way ought to be tested in theory by going to the east side of Long Beach and make the same jokes stated here, over there. I'm thereby saying that the large Cambodian, Laotian, Filipino community do not take too kindly of racial slurs of that kind is ultimately what I'm saying.

Surely you don't wish some sort of violence to happen to us.

I don't condone violence over words, but I understand why violence happen over words.

I do think it's silly though when you are telling her what she should be offended at.

Do me a favor because I know by writing this you suffered from cognitive dissonace when you wrote this, quote exactly where I mentioned her name and made the claim she ought to be offended. I think I made it perfectly clear that regardless whether she didn't find no offense, its not a socially acceptable term. These are terms jobs fire people over and if you can get fired over these pejoratives then clearly these are terms that aren't generally socially acceptable. But by all means please show in this thread exactly where I made the dictation on how she should addressed it....I am definitely challenging you on this.

Again, intent is a very relevant thing. Do you really think @columbus was being mean?

I don't care what his intent was whether it was in jest or not, referring to someone as a "chinkette" is inappropriate. I already linked the pejorative previously, should I list it again? You see, the issue here is again going back to the whole discussion of white privilege in that whites like yourself trying to dictate to others what is or isn't appropriate and when I, or others should be offended. That is the issue I have with some whites when it comes to these discussions. You don't get to dictate to others how they should perceive insults and slurs just because you find no offense in them. But like I said I'm not surprised here......

 

[David1967]

I'm not going to get into the discussion of the etymology of the word N***er versus N***a and the phonetic as well as socially accepted/rejected differences.

Not a word I use or give much thought to. The N-word ending in R or A to me is equally distasteful and vulgar.

Sorry, white people do not get to dictate what rights they have when it comes to culturally specific words.

I agree, but neither do Black folks.

Now if you want to privately discuss these differences I'm prepared to do so rather than derail the thread here.

Sure. Be happy to.

 

[David1967]

I don't condone violence over words

Good. Thanks for clarifying.

but I understand why violence happen over words.

I don't. I prefer to simply avoid people who are offensive to me.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I would be curious how you spoke to your friends, would an outsider think you were insulting each other?

I speak to my friends like an adult with some damn sense not giggling and joking about other people's ethnic group using racial slurs like some pre-pubescent school girl. Now, have I made "ethnic jokes?" Yes. Usually in referencing to myself and the common stereotypes of black people regarding foods like chicken and grape soda. Beyond that, I don't use racial pejoratives there is a difference.

The thing is I personally do not feel comfortable making racial jokes in public and I get the cringe when I hear a bunch of drunk white dudes making jokes about Asians and Hispanics here in California. I typically excuse myself, but most times I usually pull the person(s) making the jokes aside and let them know how inappropriate it is. Unfortunately, I think at least from my experiences in California alone has lead me to believe that there are a lot of whites who are socially unaware of the implications and power of their words. You see, where I come from, I've seen people get physically harmed for using racial pejoratives. The physical reaction isn't about playing victim, rather it is an indication that these culturally unaccepted words still have hurt and pain and there is history behind them. So yes, as an outsider if someone found offense to any jokes that were made around me it would be evident that what is being said is inappropriate.

 

[David1967]

You see, the issue here is again going back to the whole discussion of white privilege

I don't believe in "white privilege" in this country in this day and time. In fact, where I live I would get a lot more privilege if I wasn't white. Such as free medical care. More help with college for my kids. My white privilege is paying full price.

whites like yourself trying to dictate to others what is or isn't appropriate

Sorry, I'm not trying to dictate what anyone should say or think.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I agree, but neither do Black folks.

If black people use words that are related to their demographic they as a culture have every right to dictate amongst them what is accepted. that is like some white guy referring to me as "blood" or "cuz" all because he heard it in a rap song. You don't have that audacity to refer to me as such because I'm neither your blood or cuz. If you hear black people say it and are curious about the words and what they imply, ask! don't invite yourself merely because you grew up around said demographic. This is why its important for people to gain a cultural perspective on what is acceptable and not acceptable when addressing cultures. I'm sure when meeting a Native American you don't refer to them as "red man" or "red woman" right? You address them in accordance to their tribal association.

You see, this is a teachable moment. I don't know how old you are or whether you are older or younger than me similarly with @Audie and @columbus but I'm a 37 year-old man and a professional therefore in a social setting I've learned to be mindful as well as tactful on the words I use publicly. You must understand, I've seen people in my life get beat up pretty bad including during my childhood when white kids had used words like the "C word" and the "N word" I guess because of those experiences leads me to be very defensive about it.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you..."

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I don't. I prefer to simply avoid people who are offensive to me.

Well, I grew up in a gang environment where words can either determine whether you live or die. You don't understand the implications of words because maybe you've never been in that environment nor conscious of it. Words like the "N-word" carry not just the effect of the word but the history. You see when black Americans were being hung and asphyxiating in the trees the very last thing they hear before they die is the N-word. Imagine a people that hate you because of your pigmentation use a word so hateful that is the very last thing you hear, not "I love you" or "I will miss you" but a word that is so disgusting and hateful. I believe the same with my Asian brothers and sisters who feel the same when words like "sand n***er" or "towel head" or "muzzie" or "chinkette" is used. There is history behind the words not merely just the words being said themselves, and I think people need to be aware of that.

Being aware of that is not about making oneself as a victim, it means you refuse to be referred to something with a historical hatred behind it.

 

[David1967]

I'm sure when meeting a Native American you don't refer to them as "red man" or "red woman" right? You address them in accordance to their tribal association.

I live in Oklahoma. The natives here refer to themselves for the most part as "Indians", and generally refer to tribal references in relation to the particular conversation. The natives that I know are very slow to offense.

I don't know how old you are

52 now you do.

ut I'm a 37 year-old man and a professional therefore in a social setting I've learned to be mindful as well as tactful on the words I use publicly. You must understand, I've seen people in my life get beat up pretty bad including during my childhood when white kids

I too am tactful about such words and don't use them. You sure are getting a lot of mileage out of an affectionate friendly exchange between Audie and Columbus. You should really be scolding them on proper verbal etiquette, don't you think.

 

[David1967]

Well, I grew up in a gang environment where words can either determine whether you live or die. You don't understand the implications of words because maybe you've never been in that environment nor conscious of it. Words like the "N-word" carry not just the effect of the word but the history. You see when black Americans were being hung and asphyxiating in the trees the very last thing they hear before they die is the N-word. Imagine a people that hate you because of your pigmentation use a word so hateful that is the very last thing you hear, not "I love you" or "I will miss you" but a word that is so disgusting and hateful. I believe the same with my Asian brothers and sisters who feel the same when words like "sand n***er" or "towel head" or "muzzie" or "chinkette" is used. There is history behind the words not merely just the words being said themselves, and I think people need to be aware of that.

Being aware of that is not about making oneself as a victim, it means you refuse to be referred to something with a historical hatred behind it.

I'm very aware of the past history of race in America. No need for a history lesson.