Fatah-Hamas pact - good or bad? Is Netanyahu justified in suspending peace talks?

[Godobeyer]

You seem to have no ability to do your own reseaerch and all this is stated all over the internet.

and you have no ability to answser
sorry to tell you ,that's clear fail !!!
it's suprise me that you answered my 8 questions by this clear escape comment !!!

Problem here was the Balfour Declaration (dated 2 November 1917) by GB was AFTER the war. Also another item you are wrong on is that the Ottoman Empire passed a law in the 1870's for Jews to own land in the Jerusalem region.

cool at least you post a comment here !!!

anyway thanks for this value information too!!!!

So the Ottomans (Muslims) did good deeds by giving lands to the jews , so the Muslims was justince, and not racist with jews in Palestine ,so why the Ottomans changed their position "regert" and became allies to Nazi against the jews ? !!!

because the Jews asked belfour to promisse them a country (country only for Jews) .

there is two possibility right now :
1- the Jews betrayed Muslims, first,.... because the Jews asked belfour to promisse them a country (country only for Jews) .
2- the Belfour (GB) gave to the jews voluntery the land without request from the Jews .

If I had to venture a guess, the poster is using translator software and whatever browser they are using does not have the plug-in to translate entire webpages so the only sites they are looking at are in Arabic. Thus they are limited sites in Arabic that do not cover history in a neutral manner. Whats on Arabic sites is not the same as sites from the same company in English or in possible case French. Plus if they were brought up in Muslim schools all the history that is universally known in Western countries is not in their textbooks. Since I work in Arab countries mostly, I have to create a VPN to get past the countries filter to a usable server which drops the bandwide to very slow speed for internet searches. Even within their countries, their bandwith is slow, their computers are old and many still have XP and thus not enough memory to handle information flow. My home speed is 105/20, but I'm rarly home so on a good day I get 15/3 or worse.

I guess , this is off topic .
anyway ,English is not my native language .(thrid langauge)

Why always the members blame my English level , IF they failed to answser to my questions/points !!! i believe i write with an understandable English .

for internet security :
indeed there is filter in some countries ,
for Algeria :
I guess i can access to any site or any video .

 

[Godobeyer]

me

Ottomans choose the stand with Nazi because

Flankerl

Wut? There were no Nazis during WW1.

what you mean ? when the label Nazi used in WW2,not in WW1 ?

Maybe you dont have any idea how big Gaza really is.

Population density
Gaza strip(360 km²): 5046/km²
Dhaka(360 km²): 19447/km²
And with this population density Dhaka is only on 36th place.
Manila has a population density of 42857/km²(thats 42,857 people on one m²) and is only 38,55 km² big.

This is going to be ignored isnt it?

you remember about the story of France nuclear bomb in Algerian desert (Sahara) .


-so after the independent Algeria blame France for polution "radiation"which caused cancer and diseases in the region of "test" , thousand of killomitres .

in the test French army Algerians (resistences were in jail) put them in test .in centre some Algerians, 1 killometer distance some Algerians , in 2 k some others ...etc , so the french army want to see the effect of the Nuclear bomb against human body.

check this link :
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2010/02/18/100704.html


So we the Algerian made as a joke (inspite the tragedy) :
the France justification is ,"Algeria was under our authority ,We produced the nuclear bomb in Algeria ,so we explosed it in Algeria "


so Now , the blame not on France Army or the nuclear bomb ,the blame is on the Algerian "residences" whom living there close to radiation area. !!!


let's back to the point Gaza population:

did you cut between 1 km to 5 km of restrict area by Israel army "surveillance" deep inside border of Gaza ? if you did not that restrict area ? re-count and tell us what will left for the Palestinians in Gaza?

so phosforus and missiles are produced to be used whatever the consequences?

 

[England my lionheart]

and you have no ability to answser
sorry to tell you ,that's clear fail !!!
it's suprise me that you answered my 8 questions by this clear escape comment !!!



cool at least you post a comment here !!!

anyway thanks for this value information too!!!!

So the Ottomans (Muslims) did good deeds by giving lands to the jews , so the Muslims was justince, and not racist with jews in Palestine ,so why the Ottomans changed their position "regert" and became allies to Nazi against the jews ? !!!

because the Jews asked belfour to promisse them a country (country only for Jews) .

there is two possibility right now :
1- the Jews betrayed Muslims, first,.... because the Jews asked belfour to promisse them a country (country only for Jews) .
2- the Belfour (GB) gave to the jews voluntery the land without request from the Jews .







I guess , this is off topic .
anyway ,English is not my native language .(thrid langauge)

Why always the members blame my English level , IF they failed to answser to my questions/points !!! i believe i write with an understandable English .

for internet security :
indeed there is filter in some countries ,
for Algeria :
I guess i can access to any site or any video .

Do you have a public records office?,you could research for a start the Armenian genocide,BTW im not saying that this Guy represents Islam but he does basically represent Hamas and Fatah IMO,politics and religion,what a mix of power.

I hope this translation works





A keni një zyrë të dhënat publike, në Britani ne kemi qasje në të dhënat por vetëm shumë vite pas ngjarjes, Myftiu i Madh mori topin kodrina kur ai erdhi në zyrë, ka pasur incidente të përfshirë

 

[Flankerl]

what you mean ? when the label Nazi used in WW2,not in WW1 ?

German Empire: 1871 - 1918
Nazi Germany: 1933 - 1945
Ottoman Empire: 1299–1923

Conclusion: The Ottoman Empire was never allied to Nazi Germany because the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist 10 years before the Nazis took control of Germany after which a period started which we usually call "Nazi Germany" as to distinguish from the Weimar Republic which lasted from 1919 - 1933

you remember about the story of France nuclear bomb in Algerian desert (Sahara) .


-so after the independent Algeria blame France for polution "radiation"which caused cancer and diseases in the region of "test" , thousand of killomitres .

in the test French army Algerians (resistences were in jail) put them in test .in centre some Algerians, 1 killometer distance some Algerians , in 2 k some others ...etc , so the french army want to see the effect of the Nuclear bomb against human body.

check this link :
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2010/02/18/100704.html


So we the Algerian made as a joke (inspite the tragedy) :
the France justification is ,"Algeria was under our authority ,We produced the nuclear bomb in Algeria ,so we explosed it in Algeria "


so Now , the blame not on France Army or the nuclear bomb ,the blame is on the Algerian "residences" whom living there close to radiation area. !!!

Good to know i guess.

let's back to the point Gaza population:

did you cut between 1 km to 5 km of restrict area by Israel army "surveillance" deep inside border of Gaza ? if you did not that restrict area ? re-count and tell us what will left for the Palestinians in Gaza?

Still not that populous. Basic math.

so phosforus and missiles are produced to be used whatever the consequences?

Its use against civilians is prohibited. But guess what, if you use it against civilians these civilians actually suffer injuries. No such injuries were documented after Cast Lead.

Which i already covered. Its like you ignore everything.

 

[Tali018]

and you have no ability to answser
sorry to tell you ,that's clear fail !!!.

I am not going to waste my time covering every single one of your garbage statements. So instead I will simply pull to the right.

Arabs and Jews had a war in 1948. Arabs lost. Gaza was annexed by Egypt. West Bank was annexed by Jordan. Arabs in Israel had a choice to stay or leave, all chose to stay. Fact.

Arabs and Jews had a war in 1967. Arabs lost. Gaza, West Bank, Sinai, Golan taken from Arabs as spoils of war. Arabs could leave. Chose to stay. Fact.

Philistina attempted to take over Jordan 1970. Palestinians last. Fact.

Arabs and Jews had a war in 1973. Arabs lost. Fact.

Jews made a Treaty with Egypt in 1979. Egypt did not want gaza. Philistina had a choice. They stayed. Fact.

Philistina started a war from Lebanon. finally ended in 1982. Arabs lost. Fact.

Jews made a Treaty with Jordan in 1994. Arabs had a choice to stay or go. They stayed. Fact.

All Jews left Gaza to start Peace process in 2005. Gaza gave Jews rocket fire as Bon Voyage gift. Fact.

Hezbollah started war with Israel 2006. Arabs gained nothing. Fact.

At this point and numerous attempts to create Philitina State, Nothing. Philistina want Israel too. Fact.

There is no occupation. Egypt signed over Gaza to Israel. Jordan signed over West Bank to Israel. All the land belongs to Israel. Fact.

Philistina never declared themselves a country. Fact.

If they don't want to live aside Israel, then they are fenced in on Israel side. They are fenced in by Egypt on their side. They are fenced in by Jordan on their side (Jordan now wants fence moved 16km into Israel (West Bank). Jordan does not want a common border with West Bank). Fact.

Philistina made their choices and now must choose to live by them or die by them. No more negotiations. Only Qatar is their freind. UN recognition means nothing and no Arab nation will shed anymore of their own blood to fight for them. If Philistina wants to fight, then fight. No more propaganda videos on how large their army is, yet they send children out to fight with rocks.

Islam would do so much better in the world view if the Philistina ceased to exist. They are seen as the Gypsies of the Muslim world.


Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah

 

[Godobeyer]

German Empire: 1871 - 1918
Nazi Germany: 1933 - 1945
Ottoman Empire: 1299–1923

Conclusion: The Ottoman Empire was never allied to Nazi Germany because the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist 10 years before the Nazis took control of Germany after which a period started which we usually call "Nazi Germany" as to distinguish from the Weimar Republic which lasted from 1919 - 1933

it's good to know too .

As you possibly don't know, before WW1 there were little to no problems between Jews and Muslims. Most of the problems were caused by Britain and France as they treated Africa and the Middle East as their colonies. During WW1 the Ottomans were allied to the Germans and lost the war.

sorry
I am just confused with Tali post .

Still not that populous. Basic math.
use against civilians is prohibited. But guess what, if you use it against civilians these civilians actually suffer injuries. No such injuries were documented after Cast Lead.

Which i already covered. Its like you ignore everything.

this is breaking news for me , i should mark this day in my agenda .

so you against using white Phosforus against the civilians in Gaza ?

 

[Flankerl]

this is breaking news for me , i should mark this day in my agenda .

so you against using white Phosforus against the civilians in Gaza ?

Iam against the use of phosphorus against any civilians.

But dont even try to build yourself a strawman out of it. No phosphorus related injuries were documented in Gaza. Its as simple as that.

 

[Tali018]

this is breaking news for me , i should mark this day in my agenda .

so you against using white Phosforus against the civilians in Gaza ?

It's been nearly SIX years ago, so who cares anymore. It Hasn't been used since. But you have NO problems with Hamas firing 100's of rockets at CIVILIAN farming towns upwards of yesterday.

 

[Godobeyer]

It's been nearly SIX years ago, so who cares anymore. It Hasn't been used since. But you have NO problems with Hamas firing 100's of rockets at CIVILIAN farming towns upwards of yesterday.

edited :

Please stop speak instead of me , I said in this thread and other thread that i did NOT agree with them about firing Rockets .

hey btw , maybe you didnot notice that most of your previous posts were supported by DATE

I wanted to call you the History man of this thread

 

[Godobeyer]

Iam against the use of phosphorus against any civilians.

cool
so why Israeli army used it in civilains area ?

But dont even try to build yourself a strawman out of it. No phosphorus related injuries were documented in Gaza. Its as simple as that.

back me my frubal

come on ,did you watch the news in time ?

Human Rights Watch reveals extent of Israel's phosphorus use in Gaza | World news | theguardian.com

don't tell me that you believe :Israeli army did not EVER use the white phosphorus in Gaza ?

 

[Tali018]

[youtube]GHxcQgDM1nY[/youtube]
Israel : The Real History of Israel's Origins (Full Documentary) - YouTube

 

[Godobeyer]

Flankerl
this is not Gaza and this is not phosphorus ?

 

[Godobeyer]

[youtube]GHxcQgDM1nY[/youtube]
Israel : The Real History of Israel's Origins (Full Documentary) - YouTube

so i was right when i called you History man

 

[Tali018]

so i was right when i called you History man

Knowledge is power. Stagnation is death.

 

[Tali018]

Flankerl
this is not Gaza and this is not phosphorus ?

Posting a photo without the associated article only tells part of the story. When you are ready you can link it back to the paper it was taken from. But I'll take a few lines from that article.

The shell is not defined as an incendiary weapon by the Third Protocol to the Convention on Conventional Weapons because its principal use is to produce smoke to protect troops.

Human Rights Watch had no evidence that Israel was using incendiaries as weapons.

 

[Flankerl]

Godobeyer when are you going to read and comprehend what i have written? Seriously take some English lessons.


Iam done repeating myself as this is going nowhere.

 

[Godobeyer]

Just to intercede, look up the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and his relation to Hitler. That's the leader who started all the problems with the Jews. Under the Ottomans there were nearly none. Ottomans past laws in the 1870's for Jews to own land and prosper in the area. The British and the French were a menace to everyone as they were fulfilling their own agendas and not the agenda for the people who lived there. The Palestinian people in general are not the problem. Its their multimillionaire leadership for all intensive purposes do not want Peace to break out. The staged riots are generally less than a hundred people and are not representative of the majority. The people are stuck between two bad leaderships. And neither want to leave and both keep on killing off elections. Abbas is in the 10th year of his 4 year term. Think about it. If you were paying yourself $12 Million per year, would you leave office? Get rid of Hamas and Fatah. Get a leadership in the is really representative of the people and Peace will break out.

I want to re-comment about this ,


that's right the Pestinians people in general are not the problem , the zionist jews leaders are the problem because they break the deals with Abbas .so it's contradiction , and double stand ,when you said in other post : West Bank and Gaza is for Israel !!!

You blame/accuse Abass of get 12 millions dollars per year !!!!

(if that's not fake info), anyone in his place will accept that salary,

Maybe it's true that USA used him , but you forget that Israel had AIPAC which deliver billions the taxpayers of USA citizens to support all the Israelis , which one is the real parasite here (Abass vs AIPAC) ?

 

[Godobeyer]

Knowledge is power. Stagnation is death.

knowledge is power ,when it's doesnot oriented from the truth .

i found errors/lies in the list of the DATES that you post .

 

[Godobeyer]

Posting a photo without the associated article only tells part of the story. When you are ready you can link it back to the paper it was taken from. But I'll take a few lines from that article.

The shell is not defined as an incendiary weapon by the Third Protocol to the Convention on Conventional Weapons because its principal use is to produce smoke to protect troops.

Human Rights Watch had no evidence that Israel was using incendiaries as weapons.

this big lie and scandal in this thread !!!

the two lines that you posted , did not exist in my link of the article that i posted

this was my link :

Human Rights Watch reveals extent of Israel's phosphorus use in Gaza | World news | theguardian.com

this was my post #110


I am sorry that i waste my time with lairs .

 

[Tali018]

this big lie and scandal in this thread !!!

the two lines that you posted , did not exist in my link of the article that i posted

this was my link :

Human Rights Watch reveals extent of Israel's phosphorus use in Gaza | World news | theguardian.com

this was my post #110




I am sorry that i waste my time with lairs .

Read your own headline.

Israel accused of indiscriminate phosphorus use in Gaza
Human Rights Watch report claims Israel committed war crimes in its use of air-burst white phosphorus artillery shells

Try again. WHERE did you get the photo from???