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Fatah-Hamas pact - good or bad? Is Netanyahu justified in suspending peace talks?

Tali018

Member
This is the link to it .

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.607993582010499618&pid=15.1



what about you ? from where do you got the lines from this link ? I challenge you to post the link of the lines.

So you picked a photo from one place and picked up a story from somewhere else to fit your agenda. And now you want to challenge me. LOL. Here's your hint: It came from a real source called The Times. YOU go find it and read it. Claims are not facts. Only the Truth counts. Maybe you should read the Quran and actually understand the words in it.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
So you picked a photo from one place and picked up a story from somewhere else to fit your agenda. And now you want to challenge me. LOL. Here's your hint: It came from a real source called The Times. YOU go find it and read it. Claims are not facts. Only the Truth counts. Maybe you should read the Quran and actually understand the words in it.
ok there some misunderstand here ,

let me explain to you how i post that picture /

That picture , i posted it from the motor/engine of search Delta Search (Image options) Not website ,


- so I posted a picture , and you choose link for it !!!!

that make sense ?


so the challenge is still run .
 
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Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Arabs and Jews had a war in 1948. Arabs lost. Gaza was annexed by Egypt. West Bank was annexed by Jordan. Arabs in Israel had a choice to stay or leave, all chose to stay. Fact.
whom chose to leave because affraid of being killed in that time in the war , why Israel did not accept them to back, accept only the new Jews to come ?

so this is another argument said : Israel regime choose by race .

so why Israel reject refugees Palestinians whom want comeback to their homes inside Israel .


Arabs and Jews had a war in 1967. Arabs lost. Gaza, West Bank, Sinai, Golan taken from Arabs as spoils of war. Arabs could leave. Chose to stay. Fact.
true ,agreed
Philistina attempted to take over Jordan 1970. Palestinians last. Fact.
I will search about this .

Arabs and Jews had a war in 1973. Arabs lost. Fact.
you wrong , Arabs win , Sinai back to Egypt .

Jews made a Treaty with Egypt in 1979. Egypt did not want gaza. Philistina had a choice. They stayed. Fact.
true ,agreed
Philistina started a war from Lebanon. finally ended in 1982. Arabs lost. Fact.
true ,agreed



Jews made a Treaty with Jordan in 1994. Arabs had a choice to stay or go. They stayed. Fact.
ture ,agree

BUT !!!

why you skipped the famous deal peace between Arafat and Rabin in 1993 ?
which lead to the deal that Israel retreat from West Bank and Gaza for the Palestinians .


why you skipped the victory of Hezbollah in 2000 ,and Israelis lost .
and retreat from South Lebanon .



All Jews left Gaza to start Peace process in 2005. Gaza gave Jews rocket fire as Bon Voyage gift. Fact.
I am not sure if that true or false .
anyways you know my opinion .

Hezbollah started war with Israel 2006. Arabs gained nothing. Fact.
inspite the victimes , we gained that Israeli army is coward, because it's intentionally aimed the civilians to force Hezbollah to stop launch rockets.
and back the two dead Israeli soldiers to Israel .

we gained that Israeli army could be defeated .
we gained many war prisons freed .

At this point and numerous attempts to create Philitina State, Nothing. Philistina want Israel too. Fact.
ah , stop here , don't fool the people , you talking about the Palestians residence inside Israel , maybe in the future they will chose to separate from Israel (as Ukranians pro-Russia )

and for whom live in Gaza and WB they are in process to re-united right now , so there is no excuse to Israel , to don't let them make their own state .


There is no occupation. Egypt signed over Gaza to Israel. Jordan signed over West Bank to Israel. All the land belongs to Israel. Fact.
you must be kiding

who told you that lie ,enough dreams .

you did not hear the news today ? Hamas and Fatah soon will make new goverement .

let suppose that true
that's mean the Arabs suppose take control , because they become the Majority population , it's becomes about 30 % Jews , about 70 % Arabs .





Philistina never declared themselves a country. Fact.
wrong .

it's declared from Algeria in 1988 , Israel always warning Abass to don't declare it's in UN from one side, without making final deal of peace with israel .
check this links
:
the declaration of Palestine in Algeria.
Document: Palestinian Declaration of Independence, 15 Nov 1988
so
Netanyahu: Palestinians' unilateral actions will be reciprocated by Israel - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz

[youtube]9zAGT4RPC00[/youtube]
Netanyahu Warns Palestinians Against Any unilateral actions - YouTube


If they don't want to live aside Israel, then they are fenced in on Israel side. They are fenced in by Egypt on their side. They are fenced in by Jordan on their side (Jordan now wants fence moved 16km into Israel (West Bank). Jordan does not want a common border with West Bank). Fact.
really !!!



Philistina made their choices and now must choose to live by them or die by them. No more negotiations. Only Qatar is their freind. UN recognition means nothing and no Arab nation will shed anymore of their own blood to fight for them. If Philistina wants to fight, then fight. No more propaganda videos on how large their army is, yet they send children out to fight with rocks.
wrong again , they had many friends
for exemple :Hezbollah ,Syria, Iran, ...etc

Islam would do so much better in the world view if the Philistina ceased to exist. They are seen as the Gypsies of the Muslim world.
disagree. let me repeat my simple opinion.

the world would much better with justice peace, pleased all the people over there (Arabs and Jews) ,so
Israel the racist regime ceased to exist,and replaced by commun regime .

that commun regime accept and adapted All the races(citizens) and ,religions are protected by law and fight against the racism .


In that time the
the followers three major semitic religions will live together normal , without violence or hate everywhere .
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah
wa-alaikom Alsalam .
 
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Tali018

Member
Arabs and Jews had a war in 1973. Arabs lost. Fact.
you wrong , Arabs win , Sinai back to Egypt .

In 1982, after the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty of 1979, Israel withdrew from the entirety of Sinai.
Sinai Peninsula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

why you skipped the famous deal peace between Arafat and Rabin in 1993 ?
which lead to the deal that Israel retreat from West Bank and Gaza for the Palestinians .

It failed by both sides.
Oslo I Accord - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

why you skipped the victory of Hezbollah in 2000 ,and Israelis lost .
and retreat from South Lebanon .

Israel left Lebanon BEFORE Hezbollah crossed border to kidnap Israeli citizens.
2000 Hezbollah cross-border raid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

Tali018

Member
the world would much better with justice peace, pleased all the people over there (Arabs and Jews) ,so Israel the racist regime ceased to exist,and replaced by commun regime .

that commun regime accept and adapted All the races(citizens) and ,religions are protected by law and fight against the racism .

In that time the
the followers three major semitic religions will live together normal , without violence or hate everywhere .

Outside of Iran, which Muslim countries allow Jews to live there in freedom?

As I stated earlier. Philistina are all heretics. They show off for the cameras but in reality do not follow Islam. This is why nearly all Arab countries say that they support them, but without money. This is also why in nearly every country multiple generations are not allowed citizenship. When people see the truth in Syria, they also see the lie of Philistina. Soon Abbas will send his family out of the country with Billions the same way Arafat sent his family out with Billions. Hamas has Billions, but no way to sneak it out since Egypt closed its tunnels.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
In 1982, after the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty of 1979, Israel withdrew from the entirety of Sinai.
Sinai Peninsula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I doubt that wiki links that you post are neutrale .
(edited) - people don't trust much in Wikipedia .

did you made a deal with wikipedia to PUB for it RF ? :D

the fact .
Egypt win in the war 1973 , and cross Sinai , then made a peace deal with Israel .

and about Arafat and Rabin peace deal , failed because Israel .
So when I said the Israeli regimes don't keep their words (break the deal) , so I absolutly right .

Israel left Lebanon BEFORE Hezbollah crossed border to kidnap Israeli citizens.
2000 Hezbollah cross-border raid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
without Hezbollah resistence , Israel never left south Lebanon .

to exchanged by Lebaness citizens .
1200 Dead Arabs vs 165 Dead Jews. I'd say that was a win.
2006 Lebanon War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1200 deads vs 165 deads .
so Israel army won because kill more ,that's your values !!!

Who cares. They have no land to declare country in. THEY DID NOT WIN THE WAR TO HAVE LAND. So who gave them the land that they don't have??
they have land , and they lived on it, so the abuse and racist and occupation will not stay forever .
Outside of Iran, which Muslim countries allow Jews to live there in freedom?

As I stated earlier. Philistina are all heretics. They show off for the cameras but in reality do not follow Islam. This is why nearly all Arab countries say that they support them, but without money. This is also why in nearly every country multiple generations are not allowed citizenship. When people see the truth in Syria, they also see the lie of Philistina. Soon Abbas will send his family out of the country with Billions the same way Arafat sent his family out with Billions. Hamas has Billions, but no way to sneak it out since Egypt closed its tunnels.
pretending that you ignore ?
Moroco ,Tunisia, Turkey , Yeman .... i don't know about the other countries .
In Algeria I don't know if we have jews .

Recenlty I heard in news , for first time in Algeria, new ministry woman origin jewish .


Again you talk about "money"!!! and benefice !!!!

let's suppose Abass is parasite ,Israel had BIG parasite in USA, called (AIPAC) ,they benefice from USA citizens taxpayers .


you posted a jewish links !!!
Godobeyer, the freedom you think exists for other religions and civilians does not exist in Arab countries.
Assad Destroys 400-Year-Old Synagogue
and you advised me in previous post in page 9:

In closing I advise you to look at websites that are neither Jewish or Muslim in order to find the real truths. YouTube videos are useful sometimes, but since the videos are usually edited then their value is greatly diminished.
I remember that you advised , by chosen NON Jewish or NON Muslims website .

I advise you , to advise your self first,before advise the others ;)
 
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Tali018

Member
YOU have no clue except for the false propaganda you are being fed:

Arabs and Jews had a war in 1973. Arabs lost. Fact.

you wrong , Arabs win , Sinai back to Egypt .

However, on October 8th, Israeli forces, bolstered by called-up reserves, counter-attacked in the Sinai. They pushed back the Egyptian military and crossed the Suez Canal south of Ismailia. Here, the Israelis used the Suez-Cairo road to advance towards the Egyptian capital, Cairo, and got to within 65 miles of it.

The Yom Kippur War of 1973
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Yeah uhm Yom Kippur War is the name of that particular war.

And the site he gave was no Jewish site.


Bad try.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Prehaps , YOM , mean day in english ,in arabic spell it YOM too

I am not sure
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
"Yom Kippur" means "Day of Atonement" and is the highest holy day on the Jewish calender, and it is observed as it fluctuates from year to year between September and early October. The "Yom Kippur War" was named as such because it began on that day.
 
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