Father alone is God

[ElishaElijah]

Saying 'Jesus is worshipped in Heaven and on Earth' does Not mean that is what the Bible really teaches.
The word 'worship' sometimes is translated into English from the words meaning to 'bow down'.
A bowing down does Not have to mean worship, but a respectful reverential bowing down.
I find No Scripture saying: Jesus is worshipped in Heaven and on Earth _____________

This is same word used when Jesus said to Satan to worship God alone, same word used when the Wise Men worshipped Jesus, those that got healed, women, disciples all worshipped Jesus and he received their worship, they recognized He is God in their midst and appropriate.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

[But the truth is HE was born with the kind of body that is not produced by sperm or egg.]
We don't know that. I'm sure sperm wasn't part of this at all. There was no reason for that. God's power made Mary pregnant. And how did that exactally happen? We dont know. But, I"m sure that God planted a seed or egg in Mary and Jesus grew from that. That I can see. Also keep in mind that we are all born sinless. What newborn baby even knows what sin is? Mary also had to do a sin offering when she had Jesus too don't forget.

If Jesus did pre-exist, which we know that he didn't, why go through this father and son thing.... If Jesus is the second person in the trinity, which he isn't, and co-equal with the father, why was he chosen to be the son. How come he wasn't chosen to be the father? How come the Bible doesn't say that God is coming down to earth or a pre-existence second God is coming down to earth to do his thing....... says the opposite. Jesus was born a man with the same nature as us. (Heb 2)

I find it interesting that you say "God's power made Mary pregnant". The Bible says she was come upon by the Holy Spirit. So this supports my belief that the Holy Spirit is NOT a third person in a trinity but is really just God's power since God is a spirit and God is holy.

 

[moorea944]

I find it interesting that you say "God's power made Mary pregnant". The Bible says she was come upon by the Holy Spirit. So this supports my belief that the Holy Spirit is NOT a third person in a trinity but is really just God's power since God is a spirit and God is holy.

I totally agree with you 100%. I stated God's power because that is what is said in Luke 1. "....and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee. "

So we see here that the HS is not a person but it is God's power. The power of God. I also like Psalms 18 where David says, "It is God that girdeth me with strength, and maketh my way perfect" "God" in that verse is "EL". EL means might or power. So David is saying that it is God's power that clothes me with strength and makes my way perfect. Wonderful verse!!

 

[moorea944]

All of what I said is in the bible. You need to read the whole bible to see where. I see the only thing you post is sauls books. It was in sauls books that it is written that Jesus His Pre-Eminence, has Pre-Eminence in all things. Yet you called HIM the Son of GOD... So HE did things before HIS Father? Like saul you are very confused. Just like Saul called HIM the second Adam, yet said HE has Pre-Eminence in all things. How then can HE be the second Adam?

Father Adam, is the Son of GOD. Jesus His Pre-Eminence is the GOD and Father of Adam, who came into the earth in the shoes of the Son of GOD, to bail Mankind Adam, His Eminence.

Sin is mortality. The nature that is imperfect, is the mortal nature. Prone to sin is just nonsense that you preacher taught you.

I am reading the bible, not as your would read newspaper, or read a book, but as the Words that were written are Living and Active, Spiritual and life Giving.

Jesus His Pre-Eminence, who is the GOD the Son, came as Melchizadek to Abraham. HE was called the Prince of Salem. Who do you think it was? Do you know the new earth is called: The New Salem? Salem also means peace. Who is the Prince of Peace? You told me HE is the Son of GOD.

And finally, GOD does not speak and HIS power does one thing or another. You make it sound like magic. GOD's Word has micro-sculpting Properties, which means that it can bring that which is intangible, into tangible reality. Its not faith, its not belief, nor is it magic. HIS Word is Living and active. HIS Word cannot return to HIM void. HIS word has life because its Spirit Born.

The GOD whose source of power is HIMSELF, HIS Spirit Being and not HIS Word, But HIS Word has life because its Spirit Born. GOD is not a magician.

Finally, you all claim to be born again, which means GOD is working in you too, are you perfect as you are the way HE is?

So my question to you is... what bible are you reading?..... It's almost like your reading a Mormon bible.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I totally agree with you 100%. I stated God's power because that is what is said in Luke 1. "....and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee. "

So we see here that the HS is not a person but it is God's power. The power of God. I also like Psalms 18 where David says, "It is God that girdeth me with strength, and maketh my way perfect" "God" in that verse is "EL". EL means might or power. So David is saying that it is God's power that clothes me with strength and makes my way perfect. Wonderful verse!!

“Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:7-15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
The Holy Spirit is a person and is God

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I totally agree with you 100%. I stated God's power because that is what is said in Luke 1. "....and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee. "

So we see here that the HS is not a person but it is God's power. The power of God. I also like Psalms 18 where David says, "It is God that girdeth me with strength, and maketh my way perfect" "God" in that verse is "EL". EL means might or power. So David is saying that it is God's power that clothes me with strength and makes my way perfect. Wonderful verse!!

Thank you. Seems like not very many agree with us. They want to make God's power a separate person.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

"The problem is you seem to think the Father and the Son are two separate individuals." They literally are.

"One" meaning in "in union" as a man and his wife are one, not literally the same person

"Whereas in reality the Father is the eternal Spirit of God," source?

"and the Son is the fleshly body the Father" the Son is in heaven now, he no longer has a fleshly body, where does that put his relationship with the father?

If you believe in two separate individuals that are both God, then that's belief in more than one God.

Man and wife are joined together as one. But when you see a wife, you don't see the husband. He said if you have SEEN me you have SEEN the Father. (Don't get me wrong I wasn't saying there isn't any distinction between the Father and the Son. The Father is the eternal Spirit, while the Son is the fleshly body the Father took on to dwell in and sacrifice. But it is not two separate persons.)

Source:
... she was found with child of the Holy Spirit - Matthew 1:18
... that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit - Matthew 1:20

The body was raised a glorified eternal spiritual body. He ascended and took the throne of God to reign forever.

 

[filthyrottendirty]

If you believe in two separate individuals that are both God, then that's belief in more than one God.

Man and wife are joined together as one. But when you see a wife, you don't see the husband. He said if you have SEEN me you have SEEN the Father. (Don't get me wrong I wasn't saying there isn't any distinction between the Father and the Son. The Father is the eternal Spirit, while the Son is the fleshly body the Father took on to dwell in and sacrifice. But it is not two separate persons.)

Source:
... she was found with child of the Holy Spirit - Matthew 1:18
... that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit - Matthew 1:20

The body was raised a glorified eternal spiritual body. He ascended and took the throne of God to reign forever.

The Bible says there is more than one God, but only one is deserving of worship.

2 Corinthians 4:4
"In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers" This verse is referring to Satan. The Bible repeatedly warns about worshiping other gods.

How is it not two separate persons? The Son is like The Father, The Son is not literally The Father.

"He ascended and took the throne of God to reign forever" The Bible says he took to the right hand of God, not the throne of God.
Acts 5:31
"God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins."

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

If you believe in two separate individuals that are both God, then that's belief in more than one God.

Man and wife are joined together as one. But when you see a wife, you don't see the husband. He said if you have SEEN me you have SEEN the Father. (Don't get me wrong I wasn't saying there isn't any distinction between the Father and the Son. The Father is the eternal Spirit, while the Son is the fleshly body the Father took on to dwell in and sacrifice. But it is not two separate persons.)

Source:
... she was found with child of the Holy Spirit - Matthew 1:18
... that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit - Matthew 1:20

The body was raised a glorified eternal spiritual body. He ascended and took the throne of God to reign forever.

Not two separate persons but Jesus himself said that the Father was greater than himself. How can one be greater if they are both the same person?

 

[TrueBeliever37]

The Bible says there is more than one God, but only one is deserving of worship.

2 Corinthians 4:4
"In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers" This verse is referring to Satan. The Bible repeatedly warns about worshiping other gods.

How is it not two separate persons? The Son is like The Father, The Son is not literally The Father.

"He ascended and took the throne of God to reign forever" The Bible says he took to the right hand of God, not the throne of God.
Acts 5:31
"God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins."

People can make anything their god. There are many false gods - so called gods. But in reality there is only one true and living God.

You ask how is it not two persons?
Because there never has been, nor ever will be more than one God. Isaiah 43:10-11

That one God is a Spirit. John 4:24

That one God who is a Spirit said he was holy. He said Be ye holy for I am holy. That doesn't mean the Holy Spirit is another person in the Godhead like many claim. It's just another title that can be used to refer to God. Paul said there was only one God -the Father in I Corinthians 8:6

So when the Messiah spoke of his Father who was he talking about? Well, the scripture says the Father was the Holy Spirit in Matthew 1:18 and Matthew 1:20. So we should be able to conclude that the one God (also called the Father) and the Holy Spirit are one and the same God. (Not separate persons as many claim.) And this is further backed up when the scriptures say there is only one Spirit. Ephesians 4:4

God looked out across the expanse of time and saw that there was no one that would be able to be that perfect sacrifice. He said my hand is not shortened that it cannot save. I will do the job myself. Isaiah 59:15-17

God didn't have flesh and blood to shed for man's sin. So he took on a body. He referred to that body as his Son. After all the Spirit was the Father of that body. So he became a Son, but that doesn't make him another person. The Father was the Spirit, while the body was called the Son. He lived a perfect life, shed his blood for our sins and then raised the body up as a glorified eternal spiritual body. He then ascended and took the throne to rule forever.

What you had was flesh and Spirit, not two different persons. The fulness of the Godhead dwelled in that body. Colossians 2:9

The translators messed up in many places when they put "hand" in some verses. ("hand" is not in the original) Such as Luke 22:69 - He will sit in right of the power of God.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Not two separate persons but Jesus himself said that the Father was greater than himself. How can one be greater if they are both the same person?

Because you have flesh and Spirit involved not two different persons. The Father was the eternal Spirit (or God if you will) while the body was called the Son. The Spirit was greater than the flesh. Essentially God made himself the body of a man to dwell in and sacrifice. That body had to be able to die. It is impossible for the eternal Spirit of God to die.

Once the blood was shed. The Spirit raised the body up as a glorified eternal spiritual body. He then ascended and took the throne to rule forever.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Because you have flesh and Spirit involved not two different persons. The Father was the eternal Spirit (or God if you will) while the body was called the Son. The Spirit was greater than the flesh. Essentially God made himself the body of a man to dwell in and sacrifice. So that body had to be able to die. It is impossible for the eternal Spirit of God to die.

How great and awesome is our God! That He would come and make His home in us! Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, the mystery revealed Christ is us the hope of glory!

 

[TrueBeliever37]

How great and awesome is our God! That He would come and make His home in us! Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, the mystery revealed Christ is us the hope of glory!

Yes, when he fills us with his Holy Spirit, we are then the temple.

 

[filthyrottendirty]

People can make anything their god. There are many false gods - so called gods. But in reality there is only one true and living God.

You ask how is it not two persons?
Because there never has been, nor ever will be more than one God. Isaiah 43:10-11

That one God is a Spirit. John 4:24

That one God who is a Spirit said he was holy. He said Be ye holy for I am holy. That doesn't mean the Holy Spirit is another person in the Godhead like many claim. It's just another title that can be used to refer to God. Paul said there was only one God -the Father in I Corinthians 8:6

So when the Messiah spoke of his Father who was he talking about? Well, the scripture says the Father was the Holy Spirit in Matthew 1:18 and Matthew 1:20. So we should be able to conclude that the one God (also called the Father) and the Holy Spirit are one and the same God. (Not separate persons as many claim.) And this is further backed up when the scriptures say there is only one Spirit. Ephesians 4:4

God looked out across the expanse of time and saw that there was no one that would be able to be that perfect sacrifice. He said my hand is not shortened that it cannot save. I will do the job myself. Isaiah 59:15-17

God didn't have flesh and blood to shed for man's sin. So he took on a body. He referred to that body as his Son. After all the Spirit was the Father of that body. So he became a Son, but that doesn't make him another person. The Father was the Spirit, while the body was called the Son. He lived a perfect life, shed his blood for our sins and then raised the body up as a glorified eternal spiritual body. He then ascended and took the throne to rule forever.

What you had was flesh and Spirit, not two different persons. The fulness of the Godhead dwelled in that body. Colossians 2:9

The translators messed up in many places when they put "hand" in some verses. ("hand" is not in the original) Such as Luke 22:69 - He will sit in right of the power of God.

Jesus is not God, he is God's son.

Luke 22:42
Jesus prayed saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Jesus asked God to remove the "cup" mission from him because it was too great.

Jesus said he spoke according what the father told him to say, not what he wanted to say.

John 12:49
For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak.

Jesus already existed with God in Heaven before he came to earth.

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

Jesus was made directly by God (only begotten son) everything else was made through Jesus.

Jesus currently sits at the right hand of God, not on God's throne.

Romans 8:34
Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Jesus is not God, he is God's son.

Luke 22:42
Jesus prayed saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Jesus asked God to remove the "cup" mission from him because it was too great.

Jesus said he spoke according what the father told him to say, not what he wanted to say.

John 12:49
For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak.

Jesus already existed with God in Heaven before he came to earth.

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

Jesus was made directly by God (only begotten son) everything else was made through Jesus.

Jesus currently sits at the right hand of God, not on God's throne.

Romans 8:34
Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

He was the image that God took on.
He was God manifest in the flesh.
He was before Abraham as the eternal Spirit. One thing is for sure, that flesh didn't exist before Abraham.
He doesn't sit at the right hand of anyone. ("hand is not in the original) He sits in his own right as God. How could you sit at the right hand side of a Spirit that fills heaven and earth?
YHWH made everything and he said he was alone and by himself. Isaiah 44:24

He was both the Father and the Son as it foretold in Isaiah 9:6

 

[filthyrottendirty]

He was the image that God took on.
He was God manifest in the flesh.
He was before Abraham as the eternal Spirit. One thing is for sure, that flesh didn't exist before Abraham.
He doesn't sit at the right hand of anyone. ("hand is not in the original) He sits in his own right as God. How could you sit at the right hand side of a Spirit that fills heaven and earth?
YHWH made everything and he said he was alone and by himself. Isaiah 44:24

He was both the Father and the Son as it foretold in Isaiah 9:6

Psalm 110:1
A Psalm of David. The Lord (God) says to my Lord (Jesus): “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.

It says in multiple verses Jesus sits at God's right hand, read the Bible.

Daniel 7:13
I saw in the night visions,
and behold, with the clouds of heaven
there came one like a son of man, (Jesus)
and he came to the Ancient of Days (God)
and was presented before him.
14
And to him was given dominion
and glory and a kingdom, (the kingdom of heaven)
that all peoples, nations, and languages
should serve him;
his dominion is an everlasting dominion,
which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom one
that shall not be destroyed.

God sets up his Kingdom and makes his son, Jesus the king.

Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. (This verse is talking about Jesus)

Isaiah 9:6 is referring to the Son only.

Christ is a Prince, often so called, Ezekiel 34:24 he is so by birth, being the King's Son, the Son of God, and by office, power, and authority; he is so a Prince as that he is a King; he is exalted to be a Prince and a Saviour; and he is a Prince superior to kings, being the Prince of the kings of the earth, Acts 5:31 and he is called the "Prince of peace", because he is the author of peace; just as he is said to be the "Prince of life", Acts 3:15 for the same reason

 

[moorea944]

“Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:7-15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
The Holy Spirit is a person and is God

So if someone is filled with the HS, the HS jumps inside of that person like someone who is possessed?? Is that what your saying?

 

[ElishaElijah]

So if someone is filled with the HS, the HS jumps inside of that person like someone who is possessed?? Is that what your saying?

How were you born again?

 

[ElishaElijah]

So if someone is filled with the HS, the HS jumps inside of that person like someone who is possessed?? Is that what your saying?

No

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Because you have flesh and Spirit involved not two different persons. The Father was the eternal Spirit (or God if you will) while the body was called the Son. The Spirit was greater than the flesh. Essentially God made himself the body of a man to dwell in and sacrifice. That body had to be able to die. It is impossible for the eternal Spirit of God to die.

Once the blood was shed. The Spirit raised the body up as a glorified eternal spiritual body. He then ascended and took the throne to rule forever.

Actually the Bible says Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father. Why would the Spirit take a glorifies body up to heaven to sit beside? If one is seated beside the other there must be two persons.