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[Skeezy]

also there are a number of ways to analyze video and proof or debunk especially when multiple sources catch the same event.

To deny this is quite simply denial

 

[Skeezy]

I do.

The problem here is that you just keep piling it on ...

Your sales pitch failed.
All you are doing now is beating a dead horse.
No one is interested in your snakeoil.

Now I predict you will write a sermon in response to this post.
It is as if it not us whom you are trying to convince.
It is as if it is yourself you are trying to convince.

Or you are getting paid by the number of words in your posts.....

No just leaving the possibility that someone somewhere might read this and see how denial is an ugly thing lol

Perhsps they will actualluly fact check things I've said.


You also failed at the meteorite test. Also I know you've been lying about seeing the show so I was well aware you are just being combative, I said this weeks ago lol

This was just to show how someone grounded in non belief ignores evidence, using non sensical scientific jargin.

Short enough for ya?...

 

[McBell]

No just leaving the possibility that someone somewhere might read this and see how denial is an ugly thing lol

Perhsps they will actualluly fact check things I've said.


You also failed at the meteorite test. Also I know you've been lying about seeing the show so I was well aware you are just being combative

This was just to show how someone grounded in non belief ignores evidence.

fly on home and claim your victory.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Your reasoning ignores a lot of facts. You cant factually test something that phases in and out of our reality/dimension at its own will.

How do you know? When did you demonstrate it's possible for something to "phase in and out" of reality/our dimension?
This is just another unverified assertion or a "just so" story.

Thats fact. You can ask for whatever but it needs to be inside this fact.

Those aren't facts. They're baseless assertions.

As for thr meteorite which I explained in deptg already several posts ago.

The metorite was blown apart by an unknown object which collided with it right before impact.

Russia denies shooting at the metorite and admits metorite intercept technology doesnt yet exist.

However something blew apart the metorite about 10-20 seconds before impact. Everyone this concerns says the metorite was exploded by something.

the video you need to find shows an object fly through the metorite. I repeat fly through the metorite. Whatever destroyed it came out in one piece on the other side and zipped off.

This has never been solved, and was a world event.

Great, so something happened that nobody can explain.
Then the answer to "What happened?" is "We don't know"
NOT
"It's a poltergeist" or "It's a snerfleberg."

Also video can easily be analized for possible proof or debunk. They analyze many of the videos on the show but let you make up your own mind.

Sure it can, but that won't get you too far and it is no where near the same thing as carrying out controlled studies.

So what your saying is you dont have time to look at the evidence. You would rather ask for evidence that cant be presented. Just because something cant be properly tested doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

When I ask a scientist to show me his/her evidence, (s)he doesn't send me hours and hours of videos of him/her carrying out his studies and writing his/her papers and whatnot. (S)he presents me with a paper that includes his/her discussion on the subject matter including all research to date, his/her methodology and tools used to carry out the study, a detailed description of the measurements taken and parameters used, discussion about areas of research needed for further inquiry, etc., etc.
Because nobody's got time to sift through hours of videos of speculation about unexplained phenomena.

I am asking (repeatedly) for evidence that can be presented. You bet!

Many known factual things are still a mystery to science and like i said we havent come close to even half of what the world has to offer. Less than 25 of wooded areas have been explored and even less of the ocean. Science find new things all the time

Yep. The method I've been describing all along is the method science uses to determine what's going on in the world.
Your "method" doesn't get us there.

Your "method" allows us to just make up whatever explanation we personally feel is fitting to whatever phenomena we are viewing. If you say it's poltergeists, well then it must be poltergeists, because we certainly can't test for them and that thing in the video looks like what I think a poltergeist must look like so ... It's poltergeists."
Thankfully, science doesn't work this way or we wouldn't know much of anything.

By your reasoning pyrmaids dont exist unless you've have seen them in person. Their constuction can only be speculated. Matter of fact anything that hasnt been tested doesnt exist and thats just silly

Nope. The existence of the pyramids is demonstrable and testable.

The fact that you would say such a thing leads me to believe you aren't really reading my posts, because I'm baffled as to how you could have reached this conclusion.

And also dealing with such things science often speculates and answer and its generally accepted till another scientist comes along and figures it out further, shattering any previously thought specualtions , rinse and repeat.

Scientists don't just view a phenomenon and then make assertions about it, as you are doing. They engage in the methodology I've been talking about for several pages now.

Things exist which are very real which science cant explain only theorize a possibility. Earth exists but cant be explained on theorized. We do live on the earth but, from your view, if we didnt live on earth, it wouldnt exist if we only had video of it... Do you see how stupid that is?

It is stupid. Luckily, that's not my assertion.

We know what everything we know about the earth and the universe from the rigorous scientific study I've been going on about for pages and pages now.

Have you ever heard the phrase " the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence". Science itself doesnt even agree with you. Your hiding behind scientofical jargin to live in your own belief. The fact is ya just dont know.

You don't appear to know what science says about much of anything.

Science has never mastered interdimensional travel (you know this) just theorized it as a major possibility. So i dont know why you are asking for published findings of possibly inter dimensional beings.
if you watched the show... What did you see? Describe even one video. From what you've said Im sure you watched a paranormal show but not this one.

Since man has not mastered all things universal you might want to entertain possibility. Science definitely does

That would be hard to do given that nobody has ever demonstrated that there are other dimensions to travel to in the first place.

You've asserted it without evidence several times now though.
And now you're asserting that there are interdimensional beings when you can't even demonstrate that there are other dimensions to begin with.
This is just getting ridiculous now. You just continue to pile assertion on top of assertion without any verifiable evidence to back it up.


Your position is lacking in reason and rationality.
Sorry.

 

[McBell]

How do you know? When did you demonstrate it's possible for something to "phase in and out" of reality/our dimension?
This is just another unverified assertion or a "just so" story.


Those aren't facts. They're baseless assertions.


Great, so something happened that nobody can explain.
Then the answer to "What happened?" is "We don't know"
NOT
"It's a poltergeist" or "It's a snerfleberg."



Sure it can, but that won't get you too far and it is no where near the same thing as carrying out controlled studies.


When I ask a scientist to show me his/her evidence, (s)he doesn't send me hours and hours of videos of him/her carrying out his studies and writing his/her papers and whatnot. (S)he presents me with a paper that includes his/her discussion on the subject matter including all research to date, his/her methodology and tools used to carry out the study, a detailed description of the measurements taken and parameters used, discussion about areas of research needed for further inquiry, etc., etc.
Because nobody's got time to sift through hours of videos of speculation about unexplained phenomena.

I am asking (repeatedly) for evidence that can be presented. You bet!


Yep. The method I've been describing all along is the method science uses to determine what's going on in the world.
Your "method" doesn't get us there.

Your "method" allows us to just make up whatever explanation we personally feel is fitting to whatever phenomena we are viewing. If you say it's poltergeists, well then it must be poltergeists, because we certainly can't test for them and that thing in the video looks like what I think a poltergeist must look like so ... It's poltergeists."
Thankfully, science doesn't work this way or we wouldn't know much of anything.


Nope. The existence of the pyramids is demonstrable and testable.

The fact that you would say such a thing leads me to believe you aren't really reading my posts, because I'm baffled as to how you could have reached this conclusion.


Scientists don't just view a phenomenon and then make assertions about it, as you are doing. They engage in the methodology I've been talking about for several pages now.


It is stupid. Luckily, that's not my assertion.

We know what everything we know about the earth and the universe from the rigorous scientific study I've been going on about for pages and pages now.


You don't appear to know what science says about much of anything.



That would be hard to do given that nobody has ever demonstrated that there are other dimensions to travel to in the first place.

You've asserted it without evidence several times now though.
And now you're asserting that there are interdimensional beings when you can't even demonstrate that there are other dimensions to begin with.
This is just getting ridiculous now. You just continue to pile assertion on top of assertion without any verifiable evidence to back it up.


Your position is lacking in reason and rationality.
Sorry.

Poor snerfleberg.
Getting blamed with absolutely no real evidence....

 

[Skeezy]

[QUOTE

How do you know? When did you demonstrate it's possible for something to "phase in and out" of reality/our dimension?





Great, so something happened that nobody can explain.
Then the answer to "What happened?" is "We don't know"
NOT
"It's a poltergeist" or "It's a snerfleberg."



Sure it can, but that won't get you too far and it is no where near the same thing as carrying out controlled studies.


When I ask a scientist to show me his/her evidence, (s)he doesn't send me hours and hours of videos of him/her carrying out his studies and writing his/her papers and whatnot. (S)he presents me with a paper that includes his/her discussion on the subject matter including all research to date, his/her methodology and tools used to carry out the study, a detailed description of the measurements taken and parameters used, discussion about areas of research needed for further inquiry, etc., etc.
Because nobody's got time to sift through hours of videos of speculation about unexplained phenomena.

I am asking (repeatedly) for evidence that can be presented. You bet!


Yep. The method I've been describing all along is the method science uses to determine what's going on in the world.
Your "method" doesn't get us there.

Your "method" allows us to just make up whatever explanation we personally feel is fitting to whatever phenomena we are viewing. If you say it's poltergeists, well then it must be poltergeists, because we certainly can't test for them and that thing in the video looks like what I think a poltergeist must look like so ... It's poltergeists."
Thankfully, science doesn't work this way or we wouldn't know much of anything.


Nope. The existence of the pyramids is demonstrable and testable.

The fact that you would say such a thing leads me to believe you aren't really reading my posts, because I'm baffled as to how you could have reached this conclusion.


Scientists don't just view a phenomenon and then make assertions about it, as you are doing. They engage in the methodology I've been talking about for several pages now.


It is stupid. Luckily, that's not my assertion.

We know what everything we know about the earth and the universe from the rigorous scientific study I've been going on about for pages and pages now.


You don't appear to know what science says about much of anything.



That would be hard to do given that nobody has ever demonstrated that there are other dimensions to travel to in the first place.

You've asserted it without evidence several times now though.
And now you're asserting that there are interdimensional beings when you can't even demonstrate that there are other dimensions to begin with.
This is just getting ridiculous now. You just continue to pile assertion on top of assertion without any verifiable evidence to back it up.


Your position is lacking in reason and rationality.
Sorry.

rationality.
Sorry.[/QUOTE]

How do you know? When did you demonstrate it's possible for something to "phase in and out" of reality/our dimension?
This is just another unverified assertion or a "just so" story.


Those aren't facts. They're baseless assertions.


Great, so something happened that nobody can explain.
Then the answer to "What happened?" is "We don't know"
NOT
"It's a poltergeist" or "It's a snerfleberg."



Sure it can, but that won't get you too far and it is no where near the same thing as carrying out controlled studies.


When I ask a scientist to show me his/her evidence, (s)he doesn't send me hours and hours of videos of him/her carrying out his studies and writing his/her papers and whatnot. (S)he presents me with a paper that includes his/her discussion on the subject matter including all research to date, his/her methodology and tools used to carry out the study, a detailed description of the measurements taken and parameters used, discussion about areas of research needed for further inquiry, etc., etc.
Because nobody's got time to sift through hours of videos of speculation about unexplained phenomena.

I am asking (repeatedly) for evidence that can be presented. You bet!


Yep. The method I've been describing all along is the method science uses to determine what's going on in the world.
Your "method" doesn't get us there.

Your "method" allows us to just make up whatever explanation we personally feel is fitting to whatever phenomena we are viewing. If you say it's poltergeists, well then it must be poltergeists, because we certainly can't test for them and that thing in the video looks like what I think a poltergeist must look like so ... It's poltergeists."
Thankfully, science doesn't work this way or we wouldn't know much of anything.


Nope. The existence of the pyramids is demonstrable and testable.

The fact that you would say such a thing leads me to believe you aren't really reading my posts, because I'm baffled as to how you could have reached this conclusion.


Scientists don't just view a phenomenon and then make assertions about it, as you are doing. They engage in the methodology I've been talking about for several pages now.


It is stupid. Luckily, that's not my assertion.

We know what everything we know about the earth and the universe from the rigorous scientific study I've been going on about for pages and pages now.


You don't appear to know what science says about much of anything.



That would be hard to do given that nobody has ever demonstrated that there are other dimensions to travel to in the first place.

You've asserted it without evidence several times now though.
And now you're asserting that there are interdimensional beings when you can't even demonstrate that there are other dimensions to begin with.
This is just getting ridiculous now. You just continue to pile assertion on top of assertion without any verifiable evidence to back it up.


Your position is lacking in reason and rationality.
Sorry.

Earth could have been any object or being its just . Its stupid to ignore any kind of physical evidence especially from multiple sources and pre conclude when you dont know. Good something we agree on.

After all their study science renigs on many things is pluto a planet? Are horoscopes accurate? Scientific studies are affected with errors and theories. Just because you read it doesnt mean thats the end all be all conclusion. A different study can yeild diffirent results with a different opening theory.


I said you dont know. Thats my point.
I'm glad we agree.

Scour hours of video? Its already collected and in one place.

You still have yet to say anything abou the meteorite which is a clear example of the unexplained being a definite reality and not human.

There are dozens of others just like it. Science and investigation uses reason to come to conclusions. There are videos of unexplained paranormal phenomena witnessed by whole cities. There are correlations of paranormal across the world even in remote locations with little technology. There is an abundance of non debunked unexplainable evidence. Even though it doesnt explain it, its still a factual observation.

Since it is impossoble for man to publish findings on something man doesnt even know how to study video evidence of things phasing in and out of our dimension are still factual even though we dont understand them. Which means to gain any understanding, you would have to observe evidence and conclude for yourself.... Without observation of the only evidence available (again because man doesnt understand these factual things) your lacking knowledge on the matter.

In the scope of all that exists science doesnt know sh*t. On land, in the sea, the earth, space, the brain, the body, the universe,.....science doesnt even know 30% of any of these things it only thinks it knows what it observes. So your claims of science "understanding" things is a huge stretch.

By rationality, even if spirits are real then science wouldn't be able to study them in the manner you describe. We would only see them when they occur at their discretion and many people all over the world have seen them since man has existed. To even see what tests have been done on the spiritual, you would have to observe the evidence. Or you could stay firm in denial and never observe evidence. Video doesnt give understanding but is proof these things exist.



Also, if you didnt want to participate why did you reply? My guess...non observational arrogance.

Has anyone ever made a good point after not observing the evidence. Your stance isn't rational or reasonable and yes looking at the videos is necessary to form a knowledgable opinion.

 

[SkepticThinker]

[QUOTE


rationality.
Sorry.


Earth could have been any object or being its just . Its stupid to ignore any kind of physical evidence especially from multiple sources and pre conclude when you dont know. Good something we agree on.

After all their study science renigs on many things is pluto a planet? Are horoscopes accurate? Scientific studies are affected with errors and theories. Just because you read it doesnt mean thats the end all be all conclusion. A different study can yeild diffirent results with a different opening theory.


I said you dont know. Thats my point.
I'm glad we agree.

Scour hours of video? Its already collected and in one place.

You still have yet to say anything abou the meteorite which is a clear example of the unexplained being a definite reality and not human.

There are dozens of others just like it. Science and investigation uses reason to come to conclusions. There are videos of unexplained paranormal phenomena witnessed by whole cities. There are correlations of paranormal across the world even in remote locations with little technology. There is an abundance of non debunked unexplainable evidence. Even though it doesnt explain it, its still a factual observation.

Since it is impossoble for man to publish findings on something man doesnt even know how to study video evidence of things phasing in and out of our dimension are still factual even though we dont understand them. Which means to gain any understanding, you would have to observe evidence and conclude for yourself.... Without observation of the only evidence available (again because man doesnt understand these factual things) your lacking knowledge on the matter.

In the scope of all that exists science doesnt know sh*t. On land, in the sea, the earth, space, the brain, the body, the universe,.....science doesnt even know 30% of any of these things it only thinks it knows what it observes. So your claims of science "understanding" things is a huge stretch.

By rationality, even if spirits are real then science wouldn't be able to study them in the manner you describe. We would only see them when they occur at their discretion and many people all over the world have seen them since man has existed. To even see what tests have been done on the spiritual, you would have to observe the evidence. Or you could stay firm in denial and never observe evidence. Video doesnt give understanding but is proof these things exist.



Also, if you didnt want to participate why did you reply? My guess...non observational arrogance.

Has anyone ever made a good point after not observing the evidence. Your stance isn't rational or reasonable and yes looking at the videos is necessary to form a knowledgable opinion.

Okay, the only thing I can conclude at this point is that you didn't actually read my posts. You are repeating things I've already addressed and you are still showing that you do not understand what evidence even is, or how scientific inquiry works. Stuff I've been over numerous times now.


I really don't know what else to say if you aren't going to take in anything I've said or pointed out and instead are just going to repeat the same things over again. The point of view you are espousing doesn't get us anywhere near determining what is real and what isn't.



P.S. I addressed your meteorite comment in post #684.

 

[Skeezy]

Okay, the only thing I can conclude at this point is that you didn't actually read my posts. You are repeating things I've already addressed and you are still showing that you do not understand what evidence even is, or how scientific inquiry works. Stuff I've been over numerous times now.


I really don't know what else to say if you aren't going to take in anything I've said or pointed out and instead are just going to repeat the same things over again. The point of view you are espousing doesn't get us anywhere near determining what is real and what isn't.



P.S. I addressed your meteorite comment in post #684.

Just because you said how you felt doesn't mean you properly addressed it. Your stance is one of dismissal and just because you feel like you've dismissed it doesnt mean you actually have. It just means you've shut off reason

For example even though i explained the meteortie video in detail, twice, you missed the whole premise that it was blown apart by something not man made saving hundreds of thousands of lives and entire populations witnessed this.

Matter of fact there have been many inexplicable paranormal events witnessed by mass populations and recorded by mass populations on the cell phones video cameras etc.


The whole point of the pyrmid excercise eludes you so I'll say this. There are plenty of physical or constantly available things which man can study. Studying varied paranormal events is near impossible compared to physical always present objects. This is a basic concept one that doesnt need much I.Q. to understand. The reason they cant study things such as spirits is because they have no way to force it to happen. This is necessary to form a proper study and publish it. Though being unable to do so holds no bearing on wether they exist or not. It only means man does not understand these things and has no way to even begin to understand.

So what can we do to form a basic understanding? Log these events when they occur and investigate similarities and sources. Videos from around the world of spirits have correlating factors no matter if its from the jungle or from california. In observing a large portion of non faked video evidence one can gather a basic understanding of spirits and their universal factors.

Ufo's are a bit harder but no less stable. A ufo may be spotted in one country and several more times in others. A ufo could be nothing or it could demonstrate intelligence like blowing apart a metorite in a way man hasn't developed yet and saving tons of people.

 

[Skeezy]

People now are able to log their entire lives to video.

Claims without evidence are easily dismissed. But now that even less developed regions have the ability to own devices which can log and record. We are starting to see proof of paranormal things from all kinds of sources and many share similarities.

There are stationary cameras abundant in every city around the world which are recording 24/7 and witnessing paranormal events.


People in general are witnessing things which have been fable. Things which man forgot about. Man has not even explored his own body well enough to know eveything. Your stance of disbelief in all things man doesnt understsnd, is one of arrogance in the light of you just dont know. You know your bubble. Outside of it is all sorts of things unknown which do happen and we have proof of it in mass numbers.

You need to see when these events occur and their situations to form a basic understanding. You lack all context of any situation. Situation and context can add merit to the proof

 

[SkepticThinker]

Just because you said how you felt doesn't mean you properly addressed it. Your stance is one of dismissal and just because you feel like you've dismissed it doesnt mean you actually have. It just means you've shut off reason

For example even though i explained the meteortie video in detail, twice, you missed the whole premise that it was blown apart by something not man made saving hundreds of thousands of lives and entire populations witnessed this.

Matter of fact there have been many inexplicable paranormal events witnessed by mass populations and recorded by mass populations on the cell phones video cameras etc.


The whole point of the pyrmid excercise eludes you so I'll say this. There are plenty of physical or constantly available things which man can study. Studying varied paranormal events is near impossible compared to physical always present objects. This is a basic concept one that doesnt need much I.Q. to understand. The reason they cant study things such as spirits is because they have no way to force it to happen. This is necessary to form a proper study and publish it. Though being unable to do so holds no bearing on wether they exist or not. It only means man does not understand these things and has no way to even begin to understand.

So what can we do to form a basic understanding? Log these events when they occur and investigate similarities and sources. Videos from around the world of spirits have correlating factors no matter if its from the jungle or from california. In observing a large portion of non faked video evidence one can gather a basic understanding of spirits and their universal factors.

Ufo's are a bit harder but no less stable. A ufo may be spotted in one country and several more times in others. A ufo could be nothing or it could demonstrate intelligence like blowing apart a metorite in a way man hasn't developed yet and saving tons of people.

You're not getting my point and I don't know why.

Unexplained does NOT equal supernatural.
Rather, it equals "We don't know yet."
Especially when you can't demonstrate the supernatural exists in the first place. And especially when we're talking about phenomena that apparently interact with the natural world which makes them by definition, testable.
You're explaining a mystery with a bigger mystery, which doesn't actually give us any answers.

What you're doing is saying "oh look at this thing we don't understand. It must be spirits from another dimension. Or it must be demons."
Well, to posit either of those answers, you'd have to first show that demons, spirits and other dimensions exist in the first place. You don't just get to say something is a spirit without any demonstration of it.

Science doesn't work in this manner because it doesn't get us to any actual answers.

 

[SkepticThinker]

People now are able to log their entire lives to video.

Claims without evidence are easily dismissed. But now that even less developed regions have the ability to own devices which can log and record. We are starting to see proof of paranormal things from all kinds of sources and many share similarities.

There are stationary cameras abundant in every city around the world which are recording 24/7 and witnessing paranormal events.


People in general are witnessing things which have been fable. Things which man forgot about. Man has not even explored his own body well enough to know eveything. Your stance of disbelief in all things man doesnt understsnd, is one of arrogance in the light of you just dont know. You know your bubble. Outside of it is all sorts of things unknown which do happen and we have proof of it in mass numbers.

You need to see when these events occur and their situations to form a basic understanding. You lack all context of any situation. Situation and context can add merit to the proof

The arrogance comes from claiming that you know what an unexplained phenomena is without any demonstration of your claim whatsoever.

 

[Skeezy]

The arrogance comes from claiming that you know what an unexplained phenomena is without any demonstration of your claim whatsoever.

I haven't claimed anything. The term Supernatural itsself means above normal or greater than what is deemed natural and basicaly also means unexplained.

Its a loose term like UFO.

I havent claimed anything. All Ive asked is that people observe the evidence. Instead of reading what Im asking and using my words when i answer questions against me that you specifically asked, half of which were mundane and childish.

I havent claimed anything. All I asked was to observe the evidence but that isnt something you want to do but still comment on. Arrogance? Yeah whatever. Its not wise to make claims without ever looking.

You've already shown your goal isnt anything event remotely productive. Its typical dismissal of the unknown while hiding behind jargin for things that cant be explained. Its arrogance even though these things happen all over the earth.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I haven't claimed anything. The term Supernatural itsself means above normal or greater than what is deemed natural and basicaly also means unexplained.

You've made a great many claims. And I've pointed them all out.
You've made no demonstrations of the veracity of those claims.
This has been the entirety of the discussion between the two of us so excuse me for being completely baffled about this statement you've made.

Now you're telling me that "supernatural" simply means "unexplained?" If that's the case, why are you claiming these phenomena are spirits and demons and so on, which are also unexplained things? I've pointed this out several times now that you're simply trying to explain a mystery with another mystery, which isn't actually an explanation at all. And you're attributing these "explanations" to a whole bunch of things that are as of yet, unexplained. I'm seriously wondering if you've even read through my posts at this point, considering that I've gone on about this at length.

Its a loose term like UFO.

What is?

UFO means a flying object that is unidentified. That's all you can say about it. Nothing more.

I havent claimed anything. All Ive asked is that people observe the evidence. Instead of reading what Im asking and using my words when i answer questions against me that you specifically asked, half of which were mundane and childish.

You certainly have. I've been pointing them out and countering them for pages now.

I havent claimed anything. All I asked was to observe the evidence but that isnt something you want to do but still comment on. Arrogance? Yeah whatever. Its not wise to make claims without ever looking.

You've made many claims. One of them being some of this "evidence" you've presented was everything from spirits to demons. Instead of just saying "I don't know" you're attributing unexplained things to more unexplained things. I could just as easily attribute these things to something I made up, like snerflebergs, and it's just as much as an "explanation" as yours. Which is to say, it's not an explanation at all.

You've already shown your goal isnt anything event remotely productive. Its typical dismissal of the unknown while hiding behind jargin for things that cant be explained. Its arrogance even though these things happen all over the earth.

My goal is to believe as many true things as possible, and to believe the least amount of false things as possible.

 

[Skeezy]

You've made a great many claims. And I've pointed them all out.
You've made no demonstrations of the veracity of those claims.
This has been the entirety of the discussion between the two of us so excuse me for being completely baffled about this statement you've made.

Now you're telling me that "supernatural" simply means "unexplained?" If that's the case, why are you claiming these phenomena are spirits and demons and so on, which are also unexplained things? I've pointed this out several times now that you're simply trying to explain a mystery with another mystery, which isn't actually an explanation at all. And you're attributing these "explanations" to a whole bunch of things that are as of yet, unexplained. I'm seriously wondering if you've even read through my posts at this point, considering that I've gone on about this at length.


What is?

UFO means a flying object that is unidentified. That's all you can say about it. Nothing more.


You certainly have. I've been pointing them out and countering them for pages now.


You've made many claims. One of them being some of this "evidence" you've presented was everything from spirits to demons. Instead of just saying "I don't know" you're attributing unexplained things to more unexplained things. I could just as easily attribute these things to something I made up, like snerflebergs, and it's just as much as an "explanation" as yours. Which is to say, it's not an explanation at all.


My goal is to believe as many true things as possible, and to believe the least amount of false things as possible.

And you still have not seen any of what Im talking about. Then you would know why I label things as demon or spirit, supernatural, UFO etc.

 

[SkepticThinker]

And you still have not seen any of what Im talking about. Then you would know why I label things as demon or spirit, supernatural, UFO etc.

You certainly don't do it because you've demonstrated the existence of demons and spirits. Heck, you can't even define them, let alone demonstrate that they exist.


UFO's are just flying objects that are unidentified. That's it.
if you want to claim it's aliens or something, you've got a lot of work in front of you.
This is the thing you don't seem to be understanding.

 

[Skeezy]

You certainly don't do it because you've demonstrated the existence of demons and spirits. Heck, you can't even define them, let alone demonstrate that they exist.


UFO's are just flying objects that are unidentified. That's it.
if you want to claim it's aliens or something, you've got a lot of work in front of you.
This is the thing you don't seem to be understanding.

Never claimed aliens. Personally i just believe they are chariots of fire.

We havent defined because we cant debate because you havent looked. The demonstrations are on the show. You cant even find most of them on the web anymore as I stated several times at the very beginning.

You have to see the evidence then we can talk

 

[SkepticThinker]

Never claimed aliens. Personally i just believe they are chariots of fire.

What's a chariot of fire?

We havent defined because we cant debate because you havent looked. The demonstrations are on the show. You cant even find most of them on the web anymore as I stated several times at the very beginning.

You have to see the evidence then we can talk

You haven't defined the things you are claiming to exist. How do you expect to demonstrate evidence for something you haven't ever defined? It doesn't make logical sense.

I don't need to look at a single thing for you to define ghosts, spirits, demons and whatever else you're claiming to exist. Again, this makes no sense. How do you ascribe attributes for something you haven't defined in the first place? And how are you determining said attributes if you can't demonstrate anything?

You have a lot of claims for a lot of stuff, just like I can make a claim about snerflebergs. But if I can't define a snerfleberg and show one to you, then I've demonstrated absolutely nothing beyond the size of my imagination.

 

[Skeezy]

What's a chariot of fire?


You haven't defined the things you are claiming to exist. How do you expect to demonstrate evidence for something you haven't ever defined? It doesn't make logical sense.

I don't need to look at a single thing for you to define ghosts, spirits, demons and whatever else you're claiming to exist. Again, this makes no sense. How do you ascribe attributes for something you haven't defined in the first place? And how are you determining said attributes if you can't demonstrate anything?

You have a lot of claims for a lot of stuff, just like I can make a claim about snerflebergs. But if I can't define a snerfleberg and show one to you, then I've demonstrated absolutely nothing beyond the size of my imagination.

I can define once we go over evidence which is abundant. Once you have seen 20 or so videos from difference sources that have similarities of any paranormal thing. Then I can define or we can debate what it is or isnt.

Because I need to debate with someone who has knowledge of the evidence provided.

Debating/investigatimg/judging without at least viewing the evidence is a sophmoric view and a dead end conversation. Im debating with your opinion and your stubborness and not any intelligent view of any evidence.

All we have gone over are your pre conceived notions which have been wrong about pretty much everything.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I can define once we go over evidence which is abundant. Once you have seen 20 or so videos from difference sources that have similarities of any paranormal thing. Then I can define or we can debate what it is or isnt.

We don't define after the evidence, we define before the evidence, so we know what we're talking about and what we're looking for and what evidence supports it (or not).

All these videos that you present are simply videos of unexplained things. You attach an explanation to them, but you don't demonstrate that the explanation you've attached to it is the correct one. In fact, all you do is insert another mystery (ghosts, demons, etc.) into the equation without defining or demonstrating those either. How can you possibly declare something is caused by something, when you've never even defined that something in the first place? I'd really love an answer to this.

Because I need to debate with someone who has knowledge of the evidence provided.

You need to stop calling your claims evidence. They aren't evidence; they are claims.

Debating/investigatimg/judging without at least viewing the evidence is a sophmoric view and a dead end conversation. Im debating with your opinion and your stubborness and not any intelligent view of any evidence.

Debating what? Something you refuse to define? How do we get anywhere when we don't even know what we're talking about??
I still don't know what a ghost is, or that anyone has demonstrated their existence. This is nuts.

All we have gone over are your pre conceived notions which have been wrong about pretty much everything.

The only preconceived notions I bring to this discussion are 1) that the scientific method is the btest tool human beings have come up with to help us understand the world around us which is demonstrated by its highly accurate representation of the reality we live in, and 2) that the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim. Time and time again, these two notions have helped us produce an accurate representation of the reality we live in.
That's it.

You, on the other hand, start with the assertions that God(s) exist, that demons exist and that ghosts exist and are responsible for things that we can't necessarily explain immediately. You find unexplained phenomena, and declare it to be the work of ghosts, poltergeists, demons, gods, etc. without demonstrating it. You also start with the preconceived notion that you can attach characteristics and traits to all of these things which you have never demonstrated to exist.
That doesn't get us to an accurate representation of reality. rather, it gets us to whatever we want to believe in the first place.

 

[Skeezy]

Its defined as paranormal. If you want to see what paranormal is then look at the evidence.

We don't define after the evidence, we define before the evidence, so we know what we're talking about and what we're looking for and what evidence supports it (or not).

All these videos that you present are simply videos of unexplained things. You attach an explanation to them, but you don't demonstrate that the explanation you've attached to it is the correct one. In fact, all you do is insert another mystery (ghosts, demons, etc.) into the equation without defining or demonstrating those either. How can you possibly declare something is caused by something, when you've never even defined that something in the first place? I'd really love an answer to this.


You need to stop calling your claims evidence. They aren't evidence; they are claims.



Debating what? Something you refuse to define? How do we get anywhere when we don't even know what we're talking about??
I still don't know what a ghost is, or that anyone has demonstrated their existence. This is nuts.



The only preconceived notions I bring to this discussion are 1) that the scientific method is the btest tool human beings have come up with to help us understand the world around us which is demonstrated by its highly accurate representation of the reality we live in, and 2) that the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim. Time and time again, these two notions have helped us produce an accurate representation of the reality we live in.
That's it.

You, on the other hand, start with the assertions that God(s) exist, that demons exist and that ghosts exist and are responsible for things that we can't necessarily explain immediately. You find unexplained phenomena, and declare it to be the work of ghosts, poltergeists, demons, gods, etc. without demonstrating it. You also start with the preconceived notion that you can attach characteristics and traits to all of these things which you have never demonstrated to exist.
That doesn't get us to an accurate representation of reality. rather, it gets us to whatever we want to believe in the first place.

Dear God man. As we have been conversations the news all over the U.S., the miltary and recentl6 the pentagon has declared that much of the footage of U.F.O.s are real. Meaning much of the footage I've described has been declared as real by semi legit sources.


Watch the evidence man, instead of debating from hyper narcissistic ignorance. As more people become aware that things unexplainable things have been video documented some in multiple instances by different sources.

Once you view the evidence then we can single out a specific instance and see what it is or isn't. We can define it, then debate it.


What do you want to do spirits? Ufo? or other?.
Wethere we were pre defining or not its still required for you to have actually seen the evidence.


The more you talk the more narcisstic your stance becomes. To the point of head in sand. If something was factual you'd be one of the last to know.

Basically im saying that if things are common and broad enough to the point that they are overwhelmingly obviously factual, you might want to re-think your understanding of what is and isnt.

Watch the footage instead of thinking you know what the footage is.

You can watch any season even the new one as there are enough real videos in the new season as well. Most are from the past 3-5 years