Favourite Atheist arguments

[Skeezy]

This nextpart gets ugly again.

In unraveling lies I find that society is just one big string of lie wound up into a ball esoecially when it pertains to my people. The 13 amendment which says that it abolishes slavery actually cements it in our culture in the form of the prison system. Abolish means to get rid of, doesnt exist anymore. Why does the amendment say "except as punishment?"

And punish us they did. Mass inceration started right at the end of slavery. They began arresting black people for minor crimes like jay walking, accusing them of crimes they didn't do. Hangings and mobs were common human cruelty and mass brainwashing through media and propaganda. Black people started movements and marched. After Malcom and Martin died they formed a miltia called the panthers. They then destroyed the panthers by flooding our streets with drugs and passing bills which effected americans by zip code. They also began a "war" on black neighborhoods.

Fast forwards to now with brave police admitting truth admitting yes we target black people, and yes it is murder. Its ignored right there is no racism, confusion and prejudice rule. Sure individually you cant blame anyone but as a people essaues decendants fit their bill.

I myself, have witnessed injustices in my community, sweeps where they just lock up black men for walking down the street well before riots ever started. No one has to tell me America is racist, I live here.

i say this because this is exactly how the book said it would be and why the end is so important to me. Because its not wrong about anything. Gods people, I'm paraphrasing, "the people who were enslaved, brought by boat and currently live in the land of their captors".

The first will become last and the last will become first. This is not our fight,this is God's fight as it is written. They will never be fair or let us a go. They call us not human when really they are pretending to be us.Most of us dont even know who we are.

Most arent ready for the plain worldy truth, let alone biblical truth. Its too big... the wickedness of fooling so many. When I peeled back to to the truth about reality I took one step closer to the MOst High and I didnt even know I was but I ended up knowing he IS the truth

Finding God is an individual journey, that was mine.

you will never find him unless you seek truth with him in your heart. He is the key to morality and understanding. You cant seek him and be dismissive but you can question and use the reason he gave you. If your honest you will find him. It is a a journey and it may take years to piece together. I didnt come into full understanding until i was about 36 so 3 years ago. Its a life long lesson, you never stop learning from the book.

 

[Mock Turtle]

This nextpart gets ugly again.

In unraveling lies I find that society is just one big string of lie wound up into a ball esoecially when it pertains to my people. The 13 amendment which says that it abolishes slavery actually cements it in our culture in the form of the prison system. Abolish means to get rid of, doesnt exist anymore. Why does the amendment say "except as punishment?"

And punish us they did. Mass inceration started right at the end of slavery. They began arresting black people for minor crimes like jay walking, accusing them of crimes they didn't do. Hangings and mobs were common human cruelty and mass brainwashing through media and propaganda. Black people started movements and marched. After Malcom and Martin died they formed a miltia called the panthers. They then destroyed the panthers by flooding our streets with drugs and passing bills which effected americans by zip code. They also began a "war" on black neighborhoods.

Fast forwards to now with brave police admitting truth admitting yes we target black people, and yes it is murder. Its ignored right there is no racism, confusion and prejudice rule. Sure individually you cant blame anyone but as a people essaues decendants fit their bill.

I myself, have witnessed injustices in my community, sweeps where they just lock up black men for walking down the street well before riots ever started. No one has to tell me America is racist, I live here.

i say this because this is exactly how the book said it would be and why the end is so important to me. Because its not wrong about anything. Gods people, I'm paraphrasing, "the people who were enslaved, brought by boat and currently live in the land of their captors".

The first will become last and the last will become first. This is not our fight,this is God's fight as it is written. They will never be fair or let us a go. They call us not human when really they are pretending to be us.Most of us dont even know who we are.

Most arent ready for the plain worldy truth, let alone biblical truth. Its too big... the wickedness of fooling so many. When I peeled back to to the truth about reality I took one step closer to the MOst High and I didnt even know I was but I ended up knowing he IS the truth

Finding God is an individual journey, that was mine.

you will never find him unless you seek truth with him in your heart. He is the key to morality and understanding. You cant seek him and be dismissive but you can question and use the reason he gave you. If your honest you will find him. It is a a journey and it may take years to piece together. I didnt come into full understanding until i was about 36 so 3 years ago. Its a life long lesson, you never stop learning from the book.

Perhaps we see what we want to see? And it is well to be aware of one's biases. How about looking for impartial evidence (instead of taking some text as defining sexuality and such for example)?

 

[ppp]

I remember loving arguments and apologetics when I was a teenager/young adult (32 now haven't been young for a while .)

The inability of theists to demonstrate that they know or have the capacity to know that their particular god exists.

So I was curious what do atheists think is there most convincing argument against God?

 

[Skeezy]

Perhaps we see what we want to see? And it is well to be aware of one's biases. How about looking for impartial evidence (instead of taking some text as defining sexuality and such for example)?

I wanted to start with impartial evidence before I reached this point. We can still discuss evidence but someone would have to complete step 1 and watch said evidence. Until that happens it cannot be done.

I use scripture to define sexuality because it does just that. The world is wicked and so called christian pastors who say they operate under god are definitely not. A gay pastor is operating under his own sin.

Things have been said like the bible doesnt condemn gays etc. Even the gay pastor in the video tries to offer excuses for his stance even when the bible is 100% clear. He speaks with a fork tongue and obviously isnt a man of God to be followed


Scripture isnt written for the past its written for the future. Most religious figure heads are hypocrites and host truly pagan beliefs. The video I posted displays how many in the church are of the world not of The god they so claim. My own story shows that is present even in religious textbooks and bible studies. God sent Moses to confront the pharoah. At the same time he told Moses that he would harden pharoahs heart. When Moses asked why God replied, "So future generations will know."





To me God is truth. His existence is revealed to you peprsonally in the truth. If you follow the world then you are lost in confusiom and easily manipulated by men who would turn you away from truth. Many peoples understanding of christianity is taught by these very same men who lead churches and populations astray.

This is part of why society has become as wicked as it has, and why abominations are allowed to flourish. In 10-20 years pedophila will probably be accepted as people are indulging their own perversion when many of their actions are directly called abominations.

Without God morality Is all grey area and made up by man. Gods morality is complete. Mans morality will always lead to sin. Many so called christians morality is sinful and directly contadicts what they claim to be which is christ like. In the book when Christ returns he does so with a sword. There is no salvation for open sinners and those who follow their own desires. Pastors who have led populations astray are some of the first to be thrown in the fire.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I wanted to start with impartial evidence before I reached this point. We can still discuss evidence but someone would have to complete step 1 and watch said evidence. Until that happens it cannot be done.

I use scripture to define sexuality because it does just that. The world is wicked and so called christian pastors who say they operate under god are definitely not. A gay pastor is operating under his own sin.

Scripture isnt written for the past its written for the future. Most religious figure heads are hypocrites and host truly pagan beliefs. The video I posted displays how many in the church are of the world not of The god they so claim. My own story shows that is present even in religious textbooks and bible studies.

To me God is truth. His existence is revealed to you peprsonally in the truth. If you follow the world then you are lost in confusiom and easily manipulated by men who would turn you away from truth. Many peoples understanding of christianity is taught by these very same men who lead churches and populations astray.

This is part of why society has become as wicked as it has, and why abominations are allowed to flourish. In 10-20 years pedophila will probably be accepted as people are indulging their own perversion when many of their actions are directly called abominations.

Without God morality Is all grey area and made up by man. Gods morality is complete. Mans morality will always lead to sin. Many so called christians morality is sinful and directly contadicts what they claim to be which is christ like. In the book when Christ returns he does so with a sword. There is no salvation for open sinners and those who follow their own desires. Pastors who have lef populations astray are the first to be thrown in the fire

Not much point in anything further if you take TV or video as evidence when the producers might have an agenda. How is that impartial? As for your beliefs, well you seem a typical example of someone who has followed a text (take your pick) and which has seen you believe more and more in such rather than questioning at every step, and gaining from more critical sources or criticisms. If you have observed this forum for any length of time you will come across many just as yourself, and all completely right of course - in their minds - but all cannot be so since they all seem to have profound differences. Some even being prophets or better than such.

And you wonder why some of us are more sceptical.

 

[Skeezy]

Not much point in anything further if you take TV or video as evidence when the producers might have an agenda. How is that impartial? As for your beliefs, well you seem a typical example of someone who has followed a text (take your pick) and which has seen you believe more and more in such rather than questioning at every step, and gaining from more critical sources or criticisms. If you have observed this forum for any length of time you will come across many just as yourself, and all completely right of course - in their minds - but all cannot be so since they all seem to have profound differences. Some even being prophets or better than such.

And you wonder why some of us are more sceptical.

If many would actually look at the "evidence" they would know why it is impartial. Many of the derragortory comments towards it let me know people haven't seen it and are just working off assumption. How much work does it take an atheist to look at possible proof of the spritual, without discrediting it before they even see it?

For example with the one guy who said he watched the show has prpvided no evidence that he actually watched it. He's only made comments that dont reflect what the show actually is which is how I know he hasnt seen it.
If he did see it he would know the format of the show (he's been wrong about that the whole time), he would have seen at least 10 videos which would have let him know the producers dont make the videos, only collect them and present them. They dont say anything is real, they say just debate possibilities

 

[Mock Turtle]

If many would actually look at the "evidence" they would know why it is impartial. Many of the derragortory comments towards it let me know people haven't seen it and are just working off assumption.

Going by all else that you have said, I'm not inclined, given that you seem to have a very closed mind yourself.

 

[Skeezy]

Going by all else that you have said, I'm not inclined, given that you seem to have a very closed mind yourself.

How so? Surrounded by those that would attack any belief without reason, I didnt come to debate god but spirits.

You and several others treated as though I just believe anything so I explained how my belief is grounded in reality and especially the wickedness of society today. Anything outside of that was just biblical truth.

In my view close minded it something that runs rampant here. To the point where evidence isnt necessary because the close minded dont want answers or to debate possibility. If they did them we would be debating instances of the paranormal but instead no one even bothers to look... so if any evidence was relevant or undisputable its better not seen correct?

producers dont make the videos again they just collect them and display them. But closeminded have dismissed them as though they were made in a studio but thats not the case, many of you would know that if it werent for being close minded. In watching the show for even 7minutes you would know that the producers dont make the videos which is how I knew skeptic was lying

More than half these videos existed before the show and the show covers sources.. which again is how I know no one here has even bothered to look

They actually do a very good job covering sources and no none of the videos are produced by the show itself.. As I said if you want to see the bulk of videos from around the world they have collected them. Many of the videos existed before the show was ever created. So so far all of the opposition has been wrong obviously because of assumption. Is rhe show done in dramstic fashion? Yes. Do they make the videos? No.

All kinds of videos from all avenues of paranoral some are even of world events that are widlely known.

But I know I know your never gunna watch it and would rather think you already know and dismiss without ever even looking at what im talking about. I see everyone here is like that.no need to see the collection when I can dismiss all of it and say I already know. I can assume producers have motive and I can assume wjoever made the video has motive without knowing any shred of context to any particular video.

yeah, thats real open minded right there

 

[Mock Turtle]

How so? Surrounded by those that would attack any belief without reason, I didnt come to debate god but spirits.

You and several others treated as though I just believe anything so I explained how my belief is grounded in reality and especially the wickedness of society today. Anything outside of that was just biblical truth.

In my view close minded it something that runs rampant here. To the point where evidence isnt necessary because the close minded dont want answers or to debate possibility. If they did them we would be debating instances of the paranormal but instead no one even bothers to look... so if any evidence was relevant or undisputable its better not seen correct?

producers dont make the videos again they just collect them and display them. But closeminded have dismissed them as though they were made in a studio but thats not the case, many of you would know that if it werent for being close minded. In watching the show for even 7minutes you would know that the producers dont make the videos which is how I knew skeptic was lying

More than half these videos existed before the show and the show covers sources.. which again is how I know no one here has even bothered to look

They actually do a very good job covering sources and no none of the videos are produced by the show itself.. As I said if you want to see the bulk of videos from around the world they have collected them. Many of the videos existed before the show was ever created. So so far all of the opposition has been wrong obviously because of assumption. Is rhe show done in dramstic fashion? Yes. Do they make the videos? No.

All kinds of videos from all avenues of paranoral some are even of world events that are widlely known.

But I know I know your never gunna watch it and would rather think you already know and dismiss without ever even looking at what im talking about. I see everyone here is like that.no need to see the collection when I can dismiss all of it and say I already know. I can assume producers have motive and I can assume wjoever made the video has motive without knowing any shred of context to any particular video.

yeah, thats real open minded right there

As I said, you have some fixed beliefs based on some particular religious text, and which you seem to believe as being infallible, so why would I bother discussing anything further. I'm well aware of banging my head against a brick wall even if you aren't. And much the same applies to all those with just as firm beliefs as yourself, but different, such as why would any sane person bother?

 

[Skeezy]

How so? Surrounded by those that would attack any belief without reason, I didnt come to debate god but spirits.

You and several others treated as though I just believe anything so I explained how my belief is grounded in reality and especially the wickedness of society today.

How so? Surrounded by those that would attack any belief without reason, I didnt come to debate god but spirits.

You and several others treated as though I just believe anything so I explained how my belief is grounded in reality and especially the wickedness of society today. Anything outside of that was just biblical truth.

In my view close minded it something that runs rampant here. To the point where evidence isnt necessary because the close minded dont want answers or to debate possibility. If they did them we would be debating instances of the paranormal but instead no one even bothers to look... so if any evidence was relevant or undisputable its better not seen correct?

producers dont make the videos again they just collect them and display them. But closeminded have dismissed them as though they were made in a studio but thats not the case, many of you would know that if it werent for being close minded. In watching the show for even 7minutes you would know that the producers dont make the videos which is how I knew skeptic was lying

More than half these videos existed before the show and the show covers sources.. which again is how I know no one here has even bothered to look

They actually do a very good job covering sources and no none of the videos are produced by the show itself.. As I said if you want to see the bulk of videos from around the world they have collected them

As I said, you have some fixed beliefs based on some particular religious text, and which you seem to believe as being infallible, so why would I bother discussing anything further. I'm well aware of banging my head against a brick wall even if you aren't. And much the same applies to all those with just as firm beliefs as yourself, but different, such as why would any sane person bother?

I mean why did I post in the first place, knowing Aethists can possibly be ultra dismissive? Really the answer is hope.

In these confused times where rationality and morality are fallng to the wayside. In the time where bulk of people can't agree even on the simplist issue. I hoped that out of at least a few, one would be willing to look at the totality of video evidence and use rationalty and reason.

However yes its like banging my head against a wall. Ask for evidence, dont look at it, dont know the format or context but dissmiss it. Ask me of questions (not just you) that mock any belief and when I answer on the real world reason why I believe that automatically makes me dismissive because I believe in god?

Ook i mean your right what can I say? Its a dead end which I knew was entirely possible given the platform. I just hoped it wouldnt turn out that way. This was so I could form an opinion on wether or not its worth it to even talk to an atheist about belief and wether they use rationality or flat out dismisal. I got my answer even without debating

Even though this pretty much went no where. Thank you all for the conversation.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Its funny how people say I read the bible from cover to cover.

If you read the bible and comprhend it, then you understsnd that reading cover to cover does nothing to increase your understanding of it. You can resd it several times and never comprehend the messages in it as they arenr ment for you. You can only see the surface. It flat out says this in the book.

Also if you read it you'd realize that nothing I said about god views that isn't in there. Though i may cross over from the king james bible into the book of Enoch or the book of precepts but so far I haven't.

Atheists always have tons of cop out dismissals. "i want proof" is the biggest cop out. Any evidence provided is dismissed no matter how valid anyway. Per the "video is not evidence", (among other pr dismissals) ok so you will never have evidence because you just got rid of any factual evidence that could be provided by dismissing the main asset of proving spritis. Whatever evidence provided will just cause an atheist to "move the chains" of what evidence is to an impossible degree. So to me its more denial than need of proof.

Also if you read the bible cover to cover then you read the part where it says if you dont believe in god then you wont fully understand this book lol. This is one of main reason that many white people think they are included in gods plan, because they don't understand the book when they read it. It plainly says that they wont.


Im sorry if you werent the one that said screenplay I apologize. Though you definitely called it a ghost hunter show several posts ago.


Also you saying "did they provide proof of their studies"..also a que that you havent seen the show. Its like you still dont grasp the concept even with me breaking it down for you several times that its not a ghost hunter show

This post right here demonstrates to me that you have not read and thought through my posts very well. Exhibit "A" of this would be your statement about not having seen the show because I ask people to provide evidence backing up their claims. I went into some detail about exactly what I am looking for when I ask for evidence and verification (published controlled studies, peer review, replication, etc). To be clear here, I am not asking for anything more than the same evidence we use to go about verifying the existence of everything else we've discovered exists in the known world. However I, unlike yourself, don't suddenly believe that because we're in the realm of god(s), now demonstrable verification simply doesn't matter. It's not a "cop-out" to ask for evidence of something, especially when someone is making as many assertions about that something as you are.
Heck, you haven't even given me the definitions that would be necessary in order to even begin investigating such things.

The Bible says that if you don't believe in god then you won't fully understand the book ... Well, it must be true then! My goodness, it says it right there in the book!
Oh wait, I first read the entire Bible back when I was a Christian. Oopy. Besides that, there are other holy books in existence that make similar claims about other religions and beliefs. I'm wondering why you've decided the Bible is the one making accurate claims about the world.


I don't know why you've felt the need to mention "white" people specifically but I'm really not interested in going down some kind of racist route with you.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Also actually marraige is created by god. So it is imposisble for two men or two women to be spiritually married. The bible condems homesexuality several times not just in rape either and it says those who practice it should be put to death.

That debate was settled long ago. Here's the vid.

3:26:00
Nail in the coffin on gay marraige being acceptable in the eyes of god

The video does a good job of displaying how gay pastors or pastors who would marry gays are not following gods word.

Never mind that the bible is very clear about marraige and sex and the union of man and woman but the entire vid covers all of that.

Also yes Feminism is a satanic principle research satanism and its not hard to find. Feminism is also mentioned in the bible several times as a negative

Surprisingly a few days ago the Catholic church/pope also denounced gay marraige as it cannot "bless sin"

Why should we care what the Bible says?

Humans invented marriage.

 

[McBell]

Also actually marraige is created by god.

Bold empty claim.

Now since the rest of your post is founded on this bold empty claim, it is as worthless as the bold empty claim it is based on.

 

[Skeezy]

This post right here demonstrates to me that you have not read and thought through my posts very well. Exhibit "A" of this would be your statement about not having seen the show because I ask people to provide evidence backing up their claims. I went into some detail about exactly what I am looking for when I ask for evidence and verification (published controlled studies, peer review, replication, etc). To be clear here, I am not asking for anything more than the same evidence we use to go about verifying the existence of everything else we've discovered exists in the known world. However I, unlike yourself, don't suddenly believe that because we're in the realm of god(s), now demonstrable verification simply doesn't matter. It's not a "cop-out" to ask for evidence of something, especially when someone is making as many assertions about that something as you are.
Heck, you haven't even given me the definitions that would be necessary in order to even begin investigating such things.

The Bible says that if you don't believe in god then you won't fully understand the book ... Well, it must be true then! My goodness, it says it right there in the book!
Oh wait, I first read the entire Bible back when I was a Christian. Oopy. Besides that, there are other holy books in existence that make similar claims about other religions and beliefs. I'm wondering why you've decided the Bible is the one making accurate claims about the world.


I don't know why you've felt the need to mention "white" people specifically but I'm really not interested in going down some kind of racist route with you.

This post right here demonstrates to me that you have not read and thought through my posts very well. Exhibit "A" of this would be your statement about not having seen the show because I ask people to provide evidence backing up their claims. I went into some detail about exactly what I am looking for when I ask for evidence and verification (published controlled studies, peer review, replication, etc). To be clear here, I am not asking for anything more than the same evidence we use to go about verifying the existence of everything else we've discovered exists in the known world. However I, unlike yourself, don't suddenly believe that because we're in the realm of god(s), now demonstrable verification simply doesn't matter. It's not a "cop-out" to ask for evidence of something, especially when someone is making as many assertions about that something as you are.
Heck, you haven't even given me the definitions that would be necessary in order to even begin investigating such things.

The Bible says that if you don't believe in god then you won't fully understand the book ... Well, it must be true then! My goodness, it says it right there in the book!
Oh wait, I first read the entire Bible back when I was a Christian. Oopy. Besides that, there are other holy books in existence that make similar claims about other religions and beliefs. I'm wondering why you've decided the Bible is the one making accurate claims about the world.


I don't know why you've felt the need to mention "white" people specifically but I'm really not interested in going down some kind of racist route with you.

Your asking for evidence which doesnt exist to dismiss any evidence presented. No one has controlled a spirit enough to publish findings and run replicated . The mere fact you ask for this knowing it doesn't exist and cant be done even if spirits were/are real is dismissal. It provides a safe stance to hide in and never challenges your stance.

Science is all observation and is often later changed or proven wrong. Exact science comes from much observation. You have eliminated the only observation possible in this conversation for what?... dismissal

No science has ever disproven god. So the factual answer is you just dont know. Even the deism religion came about because logically, God/a creator exists or existed at some point. Many of theories of science support a creator , not disprove it


You mock belief but you are firm in yours, so much so that you are blind to rational conversation about the topic by asking for things that allow you to dismiss while never looking at any evidence submitted.

I also know that even though you say you saw the show you have failed to to accurately depict context of the show or any of its videos which tells me you havent seen it. Part of what you ask for, is actually in some of the videos which us another dead give away.

Lastly everything I said about white people wether its racial reality or biblical was true. Are white people mentioned in the bible ? Yes. Are they edomites? Yes. Does god love them? no. Who is the bible talking about in revelations? Who is the first that becomes last? Figure that out and then we can talk about that

Most people who are religious dont even know whats in the book, they just follow the paganized churches. There are only handful of real pastors who actually preach educational scripture and not "inspired" daily sermons from a pastors bible

One reason I gravitate to hebrew israelite is because they take to the street and preach straight from the book. If you do any research or even listen to any hewrew isralite and you will understand that they identify white people as descendants of Essau and preach from the book

Jeremiah
"Do not follow the heathens that go into the woods, cut down trees and fasten it so it move not, then adorn it with gold and silver.

White people and their actions are mentioned several times in the bible. Nothing I said isn't in there. Its funny that many do not know he bible condemns them because they follow the church and general hearsay. Because the book also mentions that edmomites can and will read the book but wont be able to understand it. the bible is about blood and lineage, good and evil... it literally explains this and who is who..
When you look at what white people have done as a population it fits. When you look at white factual history and not racist white propaganda tauht in schools, everything is stolen and built on lies and murder. I only brought this up because I was mockingly asked why I believe. This is a small part of real world reason why I believe. I dont expect many to know this, but many who study the book do.

To understand what the book is saying completely is to unlock the truth about what is, right now

As far as my own personal view of white people.

1. Mass inceration started when slavery "changed forms," it was never ended and has only grown.

2.I had to go figure out my real history because it was taken from me. Just to find out Im being lied to constantly

3. Everything I grew up in was racist, because the very fabric of society has been effected heavily by racism. God, depictions of heaven, culture observatons, stereotypes, discoveries, bills, laws, enetertainment, media, history schooling, my name, my environment, my judgement, my life are all effected by racism.

4. Do I hate white people even from a biblical stand point? No. I feel sorry that the problem will never be fixed. Obviously by current world events we are far from it as its the same story its always been. From a basic standpoint we are all human, we can get along fine as individuals and gatherings, but as people unable to break Gods word of what is to come.

I cant change the truth. We are on paper enemies because of centuries old lies to erase and even older past. Americas real past. To make us domesticated , to take away our pride and humanity as a people.. real racism is like cold war. Underhanded tactics and black ops. But there is only one side running them.

The bible says this isnt our fight this is our punishment much like egypt.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Your asking for evidence which doesnt exist to dismiss any evidence presented. No one has controlled a spirit enough to publish findings and run replicated . The mere fact you ask for this knowing it doesn't exist and cant be done even if spirits were/are real is dismissal. It provides a safe stance to hide in and never challenges your stance.

I’m asking for evidence. Period. I’m interested in believing as many true things as possible and not believing as many false things as possible. In order to get there, I need to be convinced that something is true via evidence, because, well, how else would you convince someone, and why would anyone believe in anything without evidence? If you are trying to imply that good evidence would not change my mind, well then you’d be wrong. Good evidence will always convince me and I am always willing to change my mind and should change my mind, if presented with good evidence of the existence of something for which I did not previously believe existed.

But you say the evidence doesn’t exist. Alrighty then, so why do you believe in something for which evidence does not exist? And why do you think I should?

Science is all observation and is often later changed or proven wrong. Exact science comes from much observation. You have eliminated the only observation possible in this conversation for what?... dismissal

Science is observation, demonstration and replication. It’s a method and a tool.

It’s the only one we’ve come up with thus far that has helped us identify and explain everything that is going on around us in this place we inhabit. And to be clear the scientific method isn’t, “Oh there’s something going on here. Let’s take a video and call it whatever we feel like calling it without having to demonstrate that the thing we’re calling it exists in the first place and without being able to replicate the results ourselves and nobody else is able to replicate the results in the exact same conditions either. But it’s definitely snerflebergs.”

No science has ever disproven god.

So? They haven’t disproven snerflebergs either.

Burden of proof is one those making the claim. When has anyone ever demonstrated there are any gods?

So the factual answer is you just dont know. Even the deism religion came about because logically, God/a creator exists or existed at some point. Many of theories of science support a creator , not disprove it

There are no scientific theories that have anything at all to do with any deities or supernatural creators of any kind. The funny thing about all the scientific theories we have come up with is that they don’t require gods to work and they work just fine without having to inject any gods into their explanations.

You mock belief but you are firm in yours, so much so that you are blind to rational conversation about the topic by asking for things that allow you to dismiss while never looking at any evidence submitted.

I’m not mocking belief. I’m asking you to back up your claims. You’re confusing the two.

It’s the same I would ask of anyone making extraordinary claims about anything. As I’ve said numerous times.

I also know that even though you say you saw the show you have failed to to accurately depict context of the show or any of its videos which tells me you havent seen it. Part of what you ask for, is actually in some of the videos which us another dead give away.

Sorry but I’m not going to watch seasons and seasons and hours of videos just to have a conversation with you. Pick the best one, the one you think is most convincing and well-evidenced and present it.

Like I said, I used to be heavily into this stuff. I used to sit for hours pouring over videos, photos, EVRs, you name it, I was into it. I really, really wanted to be convinced. But I wasn’t. Because the evidence isn’t clear-cut, it isn’t demonstrable and it’s not replicable. At best, it’s people putting their own biases and interpretations onto phenomenon that they don’t understand. It’s basically just an argument from incredulity, which is a logical fallacy, not an argument or a demonstration of the veracity of the claim. Heck, sometimes still, I’ll talk into the void and ask my grandmother if she is there. Nothing from her yet. It’s been 10 years since she passed.

Lastly everything I said about white people wether its racial reality or biblical was true. Are white people mentioned in the bible ? Yes. Are they edomites? Yes. Does god love them? no. Who is the bible talking about in revelations? Who is the first that becomes last? Figure that out and then we can talk about that

Like I said, I’m not interested in racist discussions or racist interpretations of ancient texts.

Back when I was a Christian nobody in my church ever talked about races or pitted them against each other.

Most people who are religious dont even know whats in the book, they just follow the paganized churches. There are only handful of real pastors who actually preach educational scripture and not "inspired" daily sermons from a pastors bible

I’ll agree with that. That’s why I took the time to read the Bible. And here I am now, as a non-believer.

One reason I gravitate to hebrew israelite is because they take to the street and preach straight from the book. If you do any research or even listen to any hewrew isralite and you will understand that they identify white people as descendants of Essau and preach from the book

Jeremiah

"Do not follow the heathens that go into the woods, cut down trees and fasten it so it move not, then adorn it with gold and silver.[/quote]

Good for them.

White people and their actions are mentioned several times in the bible. Nothing I said isn't in there. Its funny that many do not know he bible condemns them because they follow the church and general hearsay. Because the book also mentions that edmomites can and will read the book but wont be able to understand it. the bible is about blood and lineage, good and evil... it literally explains this and who is who..

When you look at what white people have done as a population it fits. When you look at white factual history and not racist white propaganda tauht in schools, everything is stolen and built on lies and murder. I only brought this up because I was mockingly asked why I believe. This is a small part of real world reason why I believe. I dont expect many to know this, but many who study the book do.

To understand what the book is saying completely is to unlock the truth about what is, right now

As far as my own personal view of white people.

1. Mass inceration started when slavery "changed forms," it was never ended and has only grown.

2.I had to go figure out my real history because it was taken from me. Just to find out Im being lied to constantly

3. Everything I grew up in was racist, because the very fabric of society has been effected heavily by racism. God, depictions of heaven, culture observatons, stereotypes, discoveries, bills, laws, enetertainment, media, history schooling, my name, my environment, my judgement, my life are all effected by racism.

4. Do I hate white people even from a biblical stand point? No. I feel sorry that the problem will never be fixed. Obviously by current world events we are far from it as its the same story its always been. From a basic standpoint we are all human, we can get along fine as individuals and gatherings, but as people unable to break Gods word of what is to come.

I cant change the truth. We are on paper enemies because of centuries old lies to erase and even older past. Americas real past. To make us domesticated , to take away our pride and humanity as a people.. real racism is like cold war. Underhanded tactics and black ops. But there is only one side running them.

The bible says this isnt our fight this is our punishment much like egypt.

This is way off topic. I don’t think people are enemies because their skin is a different colour. We’re all humans. I’ll stick to humanism, thanks.

 

[Skeezy]

This is way off topic. I don’t think people are enemies because their skin is a different colour. We’re all humans. I’ll stick to humanism, thanks.

We are all humans but that fails to fully acknowledge any very real facts. It just sounds nice. Reality has become a complicated web of lies especially when it comes to race. Most of the populations have several ciuntries have been effected by bigot propaganda.

Bigot propaganda says things like stemic racism, mass incarceration (current slavery focused soley on black communities), brutality, and all around racist thought process dont exist, when they are very real factual things for large portions of the population. To ignore it is once again a head in sand mentality. This is also all written about in a book that existed before this civilization was ever created, is my point

 

[Skeezy]

@SkepticThinker

Your refusal to look at all the evidence short changes any perspective you have. To not see all of evidence presented means your stance should not count as it is ill informed. If this is the biggest collection of video material then you lack knowlede of the biggest collection of material. Get it? This is actually a convenience.

But for humors sake, I'll pick one video out of hundreds of varied videos and sources so we can focus on one picture instead of the whole picture (its the whole picture that is the most devastating proof). But yes lets limit ourselves to one instance of one thing.

The meteorite that exploded over russia. I mentioned it previously. That video.

Now if you actually read what I said 80 times theb you know the videos have become hard to find since the show collected them, a lot of their original locations have been removed. So since your not willing to look atvte bulk of evidence you can scour the internet looking for the video.

There are dozens upon dozens of videos of the meteotrite heading towards the city but you need the one video where the explosion of the meteorite was actually caught on camera. Good luck.

Or

you could just watch the damn show and see every video we could ever want to discuss and their sources since the show had the resources to go find the people behind the videos many of which were around for years before the show. (If you saw even one episode like you said, you would know the show doesn't produce the vids the vids exist with or without the show).

Also in some videos they actually do run scientific tests some expertly since these videos are made from reality and involve a bevy og situations and locations. In short you need to see a video where a legit source, ran tests. Like i said what you ask for is actually in some of the videos for the 100th time.



Your not dense, you know man cannot test spirits in a lab setting because we cant control spirits even to the slightest degree. However we can test paranormal things where and when they occur; only if the subject is willing to cooperate which is actually in some of the videos as well.


Now are you going to use reason and be rational or are you going to be blind dismissive. I dont even ask for much, just view the evidence presented, then make an informed statement..

instead of.. willfully blind dismissal due to lack of context and observation. If your not willing just say your not willing but ,dont spend over a month arguing about something you havent seen and very little next to no knowledge of, which you constantly show every post by asking for things that are already there.

Published findings? No, many of the tests can only be ran in the moment. Most of these videos arent from scientists but a few are. If you cant forcibly recreate the event and control the subject it is impossible to publish findings without being able to run controlled test at your discretion. You know this already which is why your stance asks for what cant be done given what we know about spirits. Even if spirits are real we cant test them at our discretion. So your asking for an impossible task out of safety and elimnating evidence that could collectively prove the paranormal. Science is observation your running off of predisposed false beliefs such as man knows even 50% of his own reality? We 've explored less than 35% of what the world has to offer. Your view is of totality and false. We are running off of science word of mouth and observation. Some right some wrong. Nothing is certain.

 

[SkepticThinker]

@SkepticThinker

Your refusal to look at all the evidence short changes any perspective you have. To not see all of evidence presented means your stance should not count as it is ill informed. If this is the biggest collection of video material then you lack knowlede of the biggest collection of material. Get it? This is actually a convenience.

I can’t analyze this video material and neither can you. So what good does it really do us?

To clarify here, yet again.

I don't refuse to look at evidence and I think it's pretty disingenuous of you to claim that.

In fact, that is exactly what I want to see and what I've been asking for all this time. Good evidence is what I'm looking for. Actual, solid, rigorous, controlled scientific studies that actually demonstrate something that has been previously defined. In the science world, that's how it's done. In fact, it's the reason we know everything we currently know about the world we inhabit.

What you've presented is speculation and wishful thinking. You've presented some sort of phenomenon, and have claimed that it's spirits and demons and poltergeists and all sorts of things that nobody has ever even demonstrated to exist in the first place. And then you just declare, "they exist!" because somebody caught a light or a movement on a video that they weren't able to explain and so decided that it must be poltergeists or spirits or whatever. Sorry, but that's now how we demonstrate things and it is not convincing to me.

You know what I do when I want to see evidence for something? I go searching for scientific articles from scientific journals to see what literature is available on the subject. I read over the methodology used in each study and how they came to and analyzed the results. I read over the discussion section and see what areas need more research, etc. What I don't do is turn on a TV show and look at videos and then see what random people think about said videos. There’s nothing convenient about that. What would be convenient would be if somebody would condense all this “information” into some kind of organized way that is easy to scan through and immediately see the evidence and methodology used. Kind of like say, a scientific study!

But for humors sake, I'll pick one video out of hundreds of varied videos and sources so we can focus on one picture instead of the whole picture (its the whole picture that is the most devastating proof). But yes lets limit ourselves to one instance of one thing.

The meteorite that exploded over russia. I mentioned it previously. That video.

Now if you actually read what I said 80 times theb you know the videos have become hard to find since the show collected them, a lot of their original locations have been removed. So since your not willing to look atvte bulk of evidence you can scour the internet looking for the video.

There are dozens upon dozens of videos of the meteotrite heading towards the city but you need the one video where the explosion of the meteorite was actually caught on camera. Good luck.

So we’ve got a meteorite on film. We know what meteorites are (thanks to scientific inquiry), so my question is, what are you saying a video of a meteorite landing on earth is supposed to be demonstrating or proving? That meteorites exists?

Or

you could just watch the damn show and see every video we could ever want to discuss and their sources since the show had the resources to go find the people behind the videos many of which were around for years before the show. (If you saw even one episode like you said, you would know the show doesn't produce the vids the vids exist with or without the show).

Sorry I don’t have hours and hours to devote to a show I’ve already seen in dribs and drabs because you can’t be bothered to present evidence in the standard way.

Also in some videos they actually do run scientific tests some expertly since these videos are made from reality and involve a bevy og situations and locations. In short you need to see a video where a legit source, ran tests. Like i said what you ask for is actually in some of the videos for the 100th time.

What sorts of tests? Of what? Do you know the names of any of them?

I don’t need a video of anything. What I need is some sort of study to read over and analyze for soundness.

Your not dense, you know man cannot test spirits in a lab setting because we cant control spirits even to the slightest degree. However we can test paranormal things where and when they occur; only if the subject is willing to cooperate which is actually in some of the videos as well.

If you can’t test for something or demonstrate its existence, then you can’t say it exists. Period.

That’s about the least convincing argument I’ve ever heard for anything.

Now are you going to use reason and be rational or are you going to be blind dismissive. I dont even ask for much, just view the evidence presented, then make an informed statement..

I am trying to use reason and be rational but you want me to throw that out and just accept the existence of things you admit can’t be tested for. There’s nothing reasonable or rational about your position on this.

instead of.. willfully blind dismissal due to lack of context and observation. If your not willing just say your not willing but ,dont spend over a month arguing about something you havent seen and very little next to no knowledge of, which you constantly show every post by asking for things that are already there.

Published findings? No, many of the tests can only be ran in the moment. Most of these videos arent from scientists but a few are. If you cant forcibly recreate the event and control the subject it is impossible to publish findings without being able to run controlled test at your discretion.

That should tell you something that you probably need to think more deeply about.

You know this already which is why your stance asks for what cant be done given what we know about spirits. Even if spirits are real we cant test them at our discretion. So your asking for an impossible task out of safety and elimnating evidence that could collectively prove the paranormal. Science is observation your running off of predisposed false beliefs such as man knows even 50% of his own reality? We 've explored less than 35% of what the world has to offer. Your view is of totality and false. We are running off of science word of mouth and observation. Some right some wrong. Nothing is certain.

If something is real and exists in, and interacts with, the natural world, then it should be testable, verifiable and/or replicable.

If you tell me that is an impossible task, then I tell you, you are talking about something that doesn’t exist. We don’t discover more about reality by making things up and “explaining” mysteries with even bigger mysteries. We do it by rigorous, controlled scientific testing. And if we can’t come to a conclusion with the evidence we have, then we don’t come to a conclusion.

 

[Skeezy]

I can’t analyze this video material and neither can you. So what good does it really do us?

To clarify here, yet again.

I don't refuse to look at evidence and I think it's pretty disingenuous of you to claim that.

In fact, that is exactly what I want to see and what I've been asking for all this time. Good evidence is what I'm looking for. Actual, solid, rigorous, controlled scientific studies that actually demonstrate something that has been previously defined. In the science world, that's how it's done. In fact, it's the reason we know everything we currently know about the world we inhabit.

What you've presented is speculation and wishful thinking. You've presented some sort of phenomenon, and have claimed that it's spirits and demons and poltergeists and all sorts of things that nobody has ever even demonstrated to exist in the first place. And then you just declare, "they exist!" because somebody caught a light or a movement on a video that they weren't able to explain and so decided that it must be poltergeists or spirits or whatever. Sorry, but that's now how we demonstrate things and it is not convincing to me.

You know what I do when I want to see evidence for something? I go searching for scientific articles from scientific journals to see what literature is available on the subject. I read over the methodology used in each study and how they came to and analyzed the results. I read over the discussion section and see what areas need more research, etc. What I don't do is turn on a TV show and look at videos and then see what random people think about said videos. There’s nothing convenient about that. What would be convenient would be if somebody would condense all this “information” into some kind of organized way that is easy to scan through and immediately see the evidence and methodology used. Kind of like say, a scientific study!



So we’ve got a meteorite on film. We know what meteorites are (thanks to scientific inquiry), so my question is, what are you saying a video of a meteorite landing on earth is supposed to be demonstrating or proving? That meteorites exists?



Sorry I don’t have hours and hours to devote to a show I’ve already seen in dribs and drabs because you can’t be bothered to present evidence in the standard way.



What sorts of tests? Of what? Do you know the names of any of them?

I don’t need a video of anything. What I need is some sort of study to read over and analyze for soundness.



If you can’t test for something or demonstrate its existence, then you can’t say it exists. Period.

That’s about the least convincing argument I’ve ever heard for anything.



I am trying to use reason and be rational but you want me to throw that out and just accept the existence of things you admit can’t be tested for. There’s nothing reasonable or rational about your position on this.



That should tell you something that you probably need to think more deeply about.




If something is real and exists in, and interacts with, the natural world, then it should be testable, verifiable and/or replicable.

If you tell me that is an impossible task, then I tell you, you are talking about something that doesn’t exist. We don’t discover more about reality by making things up and “explaining” mysteries with even bigger mysteries. We do it by rigorous, controlled scientific testing. And if we can’t come to a conclusion with the evidence we have, then we don’t come to a conclusion.

Your reasoning ignores a lot of facts. You cant factually test something that phases in and out of our reality/dimension at its own will.

Thats fact. You can ask for whatever but it needs to be inside this fact.

As for thr meteorite which I explained in deptg already several posts ago.

The metorite was blown apart by an unknown object which collided with it right before impact.

Russia denies shooting at the metorite and admits metorite intercept technology doesnt yet exist.

However something blew apart the metorite about 10-20 seconds before impact. Everyone this concerns says the metorite was exploded by something.

the video you need to find shows an object fly through the metorite. I repeat fly through the metorite. Whatever destroyed it came out in one piece on the other side and zipped off.

This has never been solved, and was a world event.

Also video can easily be analized for possible proof or debunk. They analyze many of the videos on the show but let you make up your own mind.



So what your saying is you dont have time to look at the evidence. You would rather ask for evidence that cant be presented. Just because something cant be properly tested doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

Many known factual things are still a mystery to science and like i said we havent come close to even half of what the world has to offer. Less than 25 of wooded areas have been explored and even less of the ocean. Science find new things all the time

By your reasoning pyrmaids dont exist unless you've have seen them in person. Their constuction can only be speculated. Matter of fact anything that hasnt been tested doesnt exist and thats just silly

And also dealing with such things science often speculates and answer and its generally accepted till another scientist comes along and figures it out further, shattering any previously thought specualtions , rinse and repeat.

Things exist which are very real which science cant explain only theorize a possibility. Earth exists but cant be explained on theorized. We do live on the earth but, from your view, if we didnt live on earth, it wouldnt exist if we only had video of it... Do you see how stupid that is?

Have you ever heard the phrase " the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence". Science itself doesnt even agree with you. Your hiding behind scientofical jargin to live in your own belief. The fact is ya just dont know.

Science has never mastered interdimensional travel (you know this) just theorized it as a major possibility. So i dont know why you are asking for published findings of possibly inter dimensional beings.

if you watched the show... What did you see? Describe even one video. From what you've said Im sure you watched a paranormal show but not this one.

Since man has not mastered all things universal you might want to entertain possibility. Science definitely does

 

[McBell]

Do you see how stupid that is?

I do.

The problem here is that you just keep piling it on ...

Your sales pitch failed.
All you are doing now is beating a dead horse.
No one is interested in your snakeoil.

Now I predict you will write a sermon in response to this post.
It is as if it not us whom you are trying to convince.
It is as if it is yourself you are trying to convince.

Or you are getting paid by the number of words in your posts.....