Favourite Atheist arguments

[Skeezy]

Feminism is a Satanic principle?
Sorry, what??


I'm surrounded by spiritual movements of people who can't even demonstrate the veracity of their claims but somehow claim they know more than others.
That's not how we come to know things about the world we live in.

Thats because religion is based on faith an observation. In short God is in top position. Would you prove yourself to an ant?

In gods view his gifts are evidence. We fit his desires he doesnt fit ours unless he sees greatness in individuals which has happened several times.

Also it takes seeking god to gain a better understanding. Without doing that you wont understand as God considers you an enemy.

Those who do understand see through the presented human created matrix and gain understanding of life and all things in it. Scripture is accurate to life, it always is.

For exanple you cannot read the bible and understand it. You must study it as its verses become relevant across the course of your life and its messages are revealed as your understanding grows and as the wicked fullfil prophecy.

Essentially im saying that without studying for most of your life there is no way for someone to tell you for you to understand.

You have to seek God for yourself to gain understanding and no I dont mean church.



feminism-

Also yes feminism is a satanic principle as God set the order of all earthly things when he created the world and man. Feminism onviously goes against Gods order, so if you actually researched Satanism, Feminism is always one of its top 3 principles. Which makes sense cobsidering edomites/white people (decendants of cain/essau/lucifer). So feminism being pushed in society today fits into the confusion that is said to happen in scripture and revelations. Along with other popolar confusions, homesexuality and trangenderism

Life itself has order, its a huge system that works together as God set it to do so. Men Marry women, animals eat grass, animals eat the animals that eat the grass, worms eat the dead etc. The flow of life is a huge working system that works together to sustain the planet and life on it.


Im basically telling you that the current and future of humanity is in the bible, always has been.

The proof of god is in Scripture and you have to gain understanding of scripture and life to even begin to understand god. When you do you understand reality, life,people, death, the wicked, and most importantly gods will.

Again this understanding isnt just told to you or gained by sitting and listening in church. It definitely cant be gained from me just telling you. Jesus himself was not fond of churches as gateways to god. The word is ment to be preached in the streets.

The ignorant don't know that they are ignorant

. The stupid,think they know, the smart understand that they dont know and seek knowledge. Which of these categories do atheists fall under? Surface observation is never full observation, and god, higher beings, and/or spirits arent going to dance for you.

 

[SkepticThinker]

There are almost to many basics to explain here.

I'd love for you to start.

I say you havent seen the show because you've made so many inncorrect statements about the show and its format.

I know you'v seen a ghost show but nothing about what you said says you've actually seen this show. Your comments about Screenplay etc Point to that your talking about a ghost hunter reality tv show which is not what this show is... And this is the last time I'm going to humor you about a show you havent watched.

That wasn't my comment. You are confusing me for someone else.

If you saw the show you would know these are amature civilian and 24/7 recording stationary camera videos there are no screenplays involved. Nothing about how you tear down the show, says that you've actually seen the show. It shows that you haven't seen the show.

So IF you saw it why do you not know what the show is like?

Great. So who has replicated their studies and published them? When did they define and demonstrate what ghosts and spirits are?

Also I never said ghosts I said spirits and Residual energies, since your already into these things why are you asking me to explain them to you?

Great, what does that mean? How is it demonstrated?

Poltergiest is an evil spirit that exists in what can best be described as a parallel dimension. These things are capable of gathering energy over time from our dimension and become able to effect it even without gathering energy first. There are several homemade videos of people who live with poltergiests in their home on the show.[/quote]
What's an "evil spirit" and what makes it evil? How is it measured and differentiated from a regular spirit?
What is a parallel dimension and who demonstrated that there is one?
How did they decide something is a poltergeist?

Like I said, these are video

Like i said you havent seen the show.

Also ghosts are spirits or residual energy. Since many religions define what a spirit is especially holy spirits and demons etc.

I've yet to see any kind of usable definition of the words spirit, holy spirit or demons.
Just pointing out that some religions believe in them isn't the same thing as defining them and demonstrating their existence.

My niece believes her Elf on the Shelf is alive. That doesn't make it so.
My neighbour believes he was abducted by aliens.

In short no you cannot haves ghost without a god. Spirits themselves are god or have the capability to become gods. For example demons can be considered gods and are considered gods by the people who worship them.

So no you cannot have spirits without gods

So now spirits are gods? Who determined that? How did you demonstrate that? You said earlier that spirits are "residual energies." So residual energies are gods? What is "residual energy?"

You say all of this all matter-of-factly when, in fact, nobody has ever demonstrated any of these things. That's one of the main problems with your arguments.

And you seem to have missed my point about snerflebergs.

Even Yahuah never denies the existence of other gods. He flat out says there are other gods but he is the god of creation and the only who will save your soul.

Yahuah is a character in a story in an old book written by human beings. So, I'm not aware of Yahuah actually saying anything. And how come you chose Yahuah instead of say, Allah? Or Thor?

Who demonstrated that any of them exist?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Thats because religion is based on faith an observation. In short God is in top position. Would you prove yourself to an ant?

Sorry but I think that's a cop-out answer. And it makes your God look like an arrogant jerk, especially if “he” wants us to believe in “him.”


I think faith is the excuse people give when they don't have a good evidence. Otherwise, they'd just give the evidence. In other words, I don’t think it’s useful.

In gods view his gifts are evidence. We fit his desires he doesnt fit ours unless he sees greatness in individuals which has happened several times.

How do you claim to know God’s view?

When did someone demonstrate that there are any gods?

Also it takes seeking god to gain a better understanding. Without doing that you wont understand as God considers you an enemy.

More musings on God’s thoughts. Still wondering how you claim to know god’s views.

I wonder what all the other gods think about such things.

Those who do understand see through the presented human created matrix and gain understanding of life and all things in it. Scripture is accurate to life, it always is.

More assertions from you. No evidence.

For exanple you cannot read the bible and understand it. You must study it as its verses become relevant across the course of your life and its messages are revealed as your understanding grows and as the wicked fullfil prophecy.

I can certainly read words and understand them.

I used to be a Christian. I decided to read the Bible from cover to cover. Now I’m not a Christian.

Sounds like we’re getting into some preachy territory here.

Essentially im saying that without studying for most of your life there is no way for someone to tell you for you to understand.

It would be quite easy for me to understand a decent study that produced some sort of evidence. Unfortunately, you haven’t got anything like that.


This is an awful lot of words to say that you don’t have any evidence to present that would back up your claims. You just continue to add more claims on top of claims.

You have to seek God for yourself to gain understanding and no I dont mean church.

This is just more preachy stuff with no demonstration of its veracity. Just more claims.

feminism-

Also yes feminism is a satanic principle as God set the order of things when he created man. Feminism goes against Gods order so if you actually researched Satanism, Feminism is always one of its top 3 principles. Which makes sense cobsidering edomites/white people (decendants of cain/essau/lucifer). So feminism being pushed in society today fits into the confusion that is said to happen in scripture and revelations.

Sorry but this is nonsense and borderline racist.

And if true, you can keep your god, as I have no interest in any god that doesn’t think all human beings are equal.

Life itself has order, its a huge system that works together as God set it to do so. Men Marry women, animals eat grass, animals eat the animals that eat the grass, worms eat the dead etc. The flow of life is a huge working system that works together to sustain the planet and life on it.

More claims, no evidence.

Men marry men as well. And women marry women.

Im basically telling you that the current and future of humanity is in the bible, always has been.

The proof of god is in Scripture and you have to gain understanding of scripture and life to even begin to understand god when you do you understand reality, life,people, death, the wicked, and most importantly gods will.

Scriptures contain the claims, not the proof/evidence.

And once again, just more claims piled on top of claims but no good evidence.

We don’t understand reality by reading ancient texts written by people who knew far, far less than we do about the world we reside in. And you know how we know all this stuff about the world we live in? By demonstrating the veracity of claims via rigorous study and replication, not by reading ancient texts. Thanks for helping to demonstrate that.

 

[Skeezy]

Its funny how people say I read the bible from cover to cover.

If you read the bible and comprhend it, then you understsnd that reading cover to cover does nothing to increase your understanding of it. You can resd it several times and never comprehend the messages in it as they arenr ment for you. You can only see the surface. It flat out says this in the book.

Also if you read it you'd realize that nothing I said about god views that isn't in there. Though i may cross over from the king james bible into the book of Enoch or the book of precepts but so far I haven't.

Atheists always have tons of cop out dismissals. "i want proof" is the biggest cop out. Any evidence provided is dismissed no matter how valid anyway. Per the "video is not evidence", (among other pr dismissals) ok so you will never have evidence because you just got rid of any factual evidence that could be provided by dismissing the main asset of proving spritis. Whatever evidence provided will just cause an atheist to "move the chains" of what evidence is to an impossible degree. So to me its more denial than need of proof.

Also if you read the bible cover to cover then you read the part where it says if you dont believe in god then you wont fully understand this book lol. This is one of main reason that many white people think they are included in gods plan, because they don't understand the book when they read it. It plainly says that they wont.


Im sorry if you werent the one that said screenplay I apologize. Though you definitely called it a ghost hunter show several posts ago.

Also you saying "did they provide proof of their studies"..also a que that you havent seen the show. Its like you still dont grasp the concept even with me breaking it down for you several times that its not a ghost hunter show

 

[Skeezy]

Also actually marraige is created by god. So it is imposisble for two men or two women to be spiritually married. The bible condems homesexuality several times not just in rape either and it says those who practice it should be put to death.

That debate was settled long ago. Here's the vid.

3:26:00
Nail in the coffin on gay marraige being acceptable in the eyes of god

The video does a good job of displaying how gay pastors or pastors who would marry gays are not following gods word.

Never mind that the bible is very clear about marraige and sex and the union of man and woman but the entire vid covers all of that.

Also yes Feminism is a satanic principle research satanism and its not hard to find. Feminism is also mentioned in the bible several times as a negative

Surprisingly a few days ago the Catholic church/pope also denounced gay marraige as it cannot "bless sin"

 

[Skeezy]

If anything people knew more back then man is still trying to figure out things that were well known in the past and seem unachievable pyramids, knowledge of the earth etc.

Hebrew israelites and muslims know god condemns white people in the book. I guess a few white people who are able to understand it also know

what he is saying is plainly said in revelations that white people are made to pay for their many sins against gods chosen (black people). He even says gods chosen because thats what it says.

White people tried to destroy knowledge of black people really are and the land thy were taken from. This is one of many reasons slaves were not allowed to read or write and even masters would be punished if their slaves got caught doing it.

That is so white people could steal their achievements and world status as they not only enslaved those black people but also the moorish black men who brought them here. Slaves were made up of black people from multiple regions Africa, Spain, carribean and even native black men.. yes you heard me native black men. Largely so they could claim discovery america and rhe knowledge they aquired of these people.

Moorish black men are responsible for the worlds knowledge of Architechture, science, medicine, hygene, art, math, world mapping, and everything that the renassaince brought as they are the ones who ushered in that era. They were the teachers of people like leonardo divinchi. The traveled the world and shared their knowledge with every major Continent. They also started the first ever University in Spain which is where colmbus is from... gee go figure

 

[Skeezy]

Lastly God says very plainly that He only loves the Tribes of Israel and among them is One chosen tribe which are Gods people.

All are not equal in Gods Eyes as he wants nothing to do with Edomites and sinners in general. Jesus died so everyone has a chance but that chance is very slim for those not apart of the 12 tribes

Homesexuality, feminism, trangenderism are all abominations in gods eyes and its said so directly in the book. Two of which say those who practice it should be put to death.

Again you would know this if you comprehended the book but without God you cant when you read it.

God says very plainly that He does not love everybody. Blood is very importsnt and some peoples existence from events that happened when fallen angels took earthly wives have caused human abominations.

One obvious example aside from the fork tongue is the body count of edomites today as a whole. American edomites have killed more people than anyone else even those they call wicked combined. For example hitler killed about 9 million jews, stalin about 53 million.

White people admit to killing 246 million natives. Thats more than every war ever fought combined, and they have never stopped killing. If you want to see wickedness, Look no further. Even now today they are killing people in mass numbers, they have never stopped. This coincides with scripture as they are decendants of essau. Essau was great at killing and they even enjoy it.

 

[Skeezy]

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Notice the smiles on peoples faces, there are many examples of their wickedness.

The racial "beef" between the races is biblical. Man cannot fix this issue.
God fixes the issue. It is plainly fore told in the book but many will not understand it when they read it. You need the Holy Spirit to fully understsnd the book as much of it is ment solely for Gods Chosen

This is why I say If you had the ability to understand, Gods plan becomes clear as he laid it all out in the book. The answers to all lifes questions are answered in the book

 

[Mock Turtle]

I so appreciate the above, and of course know which bin into which I would place such.

 

[Skeezy]

I so appreciate the above, and of course know which bin into which I would place such.

I must say I commend the subtlty of your comment. Believe me, I am not prejudiced but the truth is very ugly

 

[Mock Turtle]

I must say I commend the subtlty of your comment. Believe me, I am not prejudiced but the truth is very ugly

Well prejudice is relative. It all depends upon where you have looked for knowledge as to how you might be so. I could be accused of being prejudiced against most religions - not having studied any to any great depth - but then I tend to try to obtain answers from many different areas of knowledge, hence I can't be accused of preferring one religious belief over another. You might be accused of such however, since you seem to believe one version of the past and from one text presumably, that being the Bible, as many Christians do as well. You might be right of course, but so might many others with different beliefs.

 

[Skeezy]

I must say I commend the subtlty of your comment. Believe me, I am not prejudiced but the truth is very ugly

Well prejudice is relative. It all depends upon where you have looked for knowledge as to how you might be so. I could be accused of being prejudiced against most religions - not having studied any to any great depth - but then I tend to try to obtain answers from many different areas of knowledge, hence I can't be accused of preferring one religious belief over another. You might be accused of such however, since you seem to believe one version of the past and from one text presumably, that being the Bible, as many Christians do as well. You might be right of course, but so might many others with different beliefs.

Actually I do not call myself christian anymore. I'm closer to Hebrew Israelite since they preach directly from the books. Christianity is pagan but the Bible itself is not. Its just most dont study the book so they follow the worldly view of christianity. Even jesus himself did not like churches as a false prophet on a stage can easily lead the masses astray, much like it has.

Most of what I have learned has come from studying the bible, the book of enoch and the book of precepts. I would include the quran but it is just the old testament and not necessary. Enoch is a man who was so of the most high that chariots came from heaven to get him personally. God relayed messages to fallen angels through him. His testament is one that was removed from the christiam bible

Most major religions are related to the same god to one degree or another.

Biblically his name is yahuah. I spell it that way because because its spelled that way in the book of Enoch but still, closely related to the name Yaweh its just a change in spelling and pronunciation.

In short God divided people and languages. Each faith that deals with with him still leads to him but the books are ment for that region. Still not every single deity religion is his but, the overall masses are technically worshipping the same god even if incorreclty or with subtle/major differences. He is the God of creation

Muslims/islam, jews, and christianIty with its many denomintations, are all worshipping the same god. Majority of the world is worshipping the same god its just we are divided in doing so. Muslims and Jews are more scripture strict and rightfully so.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Actually I do not call myself christian anymore. Most of what I have learned has come from studyimg the bible, the book of enoch and the book of precepts. I would include the quran but the quran is just the old testament and not necessary.

Most major religions are related to rhe same god to one degree or another. Mulsims call him allah or yahuah (i spell it that way because because its spelled that way in the book of Enoch but still, closely related to the name Yaweh its just a change in spelling and pronunciation.)

In short God divided people. Each faith that deals with with him still leads to him but the books are ment for that region. Still not every single deity religion is his

And all the conflicts between the various faiths have been engineered by God too? Seems more likely to me that religions arose, and differed, because of the lands they originated in and the peoples around then. Well that makes more sense to me than having different versions, and which inevitably clash, but all originating from the same God source.

 

[MonkeyFire]

That doesn't make any sense.
Things don't become true simply because you desire them to be true.



This isn't about politics, but about reason.
Yes, you have the right to hold unreasonable beliefs.
That is not the issue here.

them be fighting words, son.

 

[MonkeyFire]

"Only the things I desire will be true?"

What do you mean?

Im not sure thats how a lot of religions work lol most take trials, self sacrifice and conformity. A couple polytheist religions have a few spirits that grant wishes

If I believe, only the things I wish for will come true.

 

[Skeezy]

Actually I do not call myself christian anymore. I'm closer to Hebrew Israelite since they preach directly from the books. Christianity is pagan but the Bible itself is not. Its just most dont study the book so they follow the worldly view of christianity. Even jesus himself did not like churches as a false prophet on a stage can easily lead the masses astray, much like it has.

Most of what I have learned has come from studying the bible, the book of enoch and the book of precepts. I would include the quran but it is just the old testament and not necessary. Enoch is a man who was so of the most high that chariots came from heaven to get him personally. God relayed messages to fallen angels through him. His testament is one that was removed from the christiam bible

Most major religions are related to the same god to one degree or another.

Biblically his name is yahuah. I spell it that way because because its spelled that way in the book of Enoch but still, closely related to the name Yaweh its just a change in spelling and pronunciation.

In short God divided people and languages. Each faith that deals with with him still leads to him but the books are ment for that region. Still not every single deity religion is his but, the overall masses are technically worshipping the same god even if incorreclty or with subtle/major differences. He is the God of creation

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And all the conflicts between the various faiths have been engineered by God too? Seems more likely to me that religions arose, and differed, because of the lands they originated in and the peoples around then. Well that makes more sense to me than having different versions, and which inevitably clash, but all originating from the same God source.

Thats the thing man has free will and can be lead astray.

matter of fact (under christianity) sin itself came into the world because of mans choices.

In genisis dealing with the garden and rhe apple. Eve ate of the fruit and was impregnated by lucifer. She then shared the fruit with adam. Adam ate of the fruit mainly to save Eve knowing god would most likely punish her severly.

Adams son and lucifers son shared and wrestled in Eve's womb. she birthed cain (lucifers descendant and able adams decendant). Which ultimate led to murder.

This a story of man bringing sin into the world.

In the book of Enoch its a lil more hectic as there were two beings created for adam before Eve, lilith and another I'll refer to as the entitiy. Lilith rejected adam but often comes back so have sex with him. It says these encounters birthed demons. She also would kill some of adams and Eve's children.

The next enitity isnt defined well. It also rejected adam because it figured they were incompatible and "flew away".

I mention these because the story of Adam and Eve is birth of mans sin. God is blamed for mans sins often but really our reality is the result of our own doing.

There also was a reason he divided people, though I cant remember it at this time accurately. But it definitely has to do with not gollowing gods statutes. If god didn't divide us then we wouldnt have a chance, as one person could lead everyone astray.

It is man who brought pain and death into the world. It also man who bickers and kills over the division.

Our whole trial of life and following his statutes is so in death we can be recreated as perfect beings as sin has stained our souls so it is impossible for us to be immortal.

the earth was adam and Eve's but they basically gave the world to lucifer when they sinned.

And again god does not love everyone, the lineage of cain was never ment to exist. Also there were people outside the garden. Known by following the story of cain. He created the cannanites, edmomites, moabites and others.
These linages arent necessarily full human as it is known some of them come from mating with neanderthals. These lineages still exist today which Is also another reason for division.

One little fun fact that relates to now and that you can research if you like, is that white peolple (edomites) and asians (moabites) have a large portion of neanderthal DNA. Black people have no neanderthal dna or a small portion from racial mixing.

 

[Skeezy]

To elaborate further. EdOmites are defined as "their blood can be seen through their skin". In the book they are considered thieves and trouble makers and wern't allowed in major cities. They lived in caves.

There is also a story of God cursing a woman by turning her white. After moses and the hebrews fled from egypt moses married a very dark ethiopian woman. A woman made fun of how dark she was and god cursed her by turning her white with leprocy

A couple years ago white people exclaimed they are caucasian. I noticed they have stopped saying this because it gives away origins.

Caucasian means you come from the caves of the caucus mountains over asia. It literally means cave man. Not surprising this term isnt used anymore as gives away truth.

The bible tells you where everyone comes from and explains the division better than I can off the top of my head.

@SkepticThinker
The bible is old but evidence of what it says exist in our very dna

For you to get evidence of God you would have to study scripture for yourself. Even if you tried you might not be able to understand what your reading as most of the masses dont. Your stance on belief makes me think you wont be able to. Without studying accurately you lack the knowledge he provided to prove to you as an individual that he is real. God does not care about the masses only those who follow him so he will never reveal himself to you. The book of life is written already and if you arent in it then god couldn't care less.

Im not here to prove god to you. I wanted you and others to see the bulk of video evidence of all things paranormal (step 1), debate certain videos you saw on the show (step 2), debate spirits and their possibility (step 3), debate how these things relate to scripture (step 4), and step 5 was more of a closing statement about biblical truths.

I couldnt do steps 1-4 and skipped to step 5 so there is really nothing to debate. Im only talking now. Due to the stubborness dismissal and oppostion being very close minded, we cant really have a progressive debate now can we?


Also there is a huge difference between residual energy and a spirit. Ive already said what that difference is. I myself, doubt spirits are or ever were human. Demons are spirits, many deities are spirits its basically the same thing. God uses the holy spirit but is the creator a spirit? I honestly cant say for sure. Also are angels spirits? Is there a visual/physical difference between fallen angels and angels of divine light? Those I also cannot answer, as angels have appeared to men In their own form per the book. I do believe angels can exist on this plane though.

There were a few videos from the show that I wanted to debate. One or two were about UFO's or what I would call heavenly chariots, such as the video of the unknown object which destroyed the meteor that hit russia.

Essentially an unknown object (per russian military since they didnt shoot at the meteor) broke the meteor into pieces saving hundreds of thousands of lives. The technology to intercept it doesnt exist and the object not only broke the meteor but was still in one piece when it cameout the other side and zipped off.. it was also already past the layer of our atmosphere that would have broke the meteor apart as it was too big to be broken apart by it.

That is only one video of dozens that I wanted to discuss...but i needed you all to watch the entire seasons so I know you've seen the videos I was going to be referring to..

.. I wanted to debate not only one video but the overall bulk of all things parnormal to perhaps cast doubt in your sense of know-it-all-ness and engage the possibility that you just dont know.. but... ya know.. F*** it. Too know-it-all dismissive to actually watch the friggin show.

"i want real evidence." no you dont.

If someone somehow brought you the very evidence you asked for, you would try to tear it down and discredit it before you even see?.. what it is? I think see is the wrong word here since visual evidence is entirely out from your perspective. "I want scientific tests as evidence." fair enough but how do you know they arent doing this in any of the videos?....

Also there actually is another show which stemmed from this show where they try to recreate or "test" what happened in some of videos can be faked and they do a pretty good job debunking some videos. Especially the UFO ones. I forgot the name of that show though.

You are a non believer and firm in your stance regardless of whatever evidence says otherwise. You've made that very clear and I can/have to accept that.

 

[Mock Turtle]

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Thats the thing man has free will and can be lead astray.

matter of fact (under christianity) sin itself came into the world because of mans choices.

In genisis dealing with the garden and rhe apple. Eve ate of the fruit and was impregnated by lucifer. She then shared the fruit with adam. Adam ate of the fruit mainly to save Eve knowing god would most likely punish her severly.

Adams son and lucifers son shared and wrestled in Eve's womb. she birthed cain (lucifers descendant and able adams decendant). Which ultimate led to murder.

This a story of man bringing sin into the world.

In the book of Enoch its a lil more hectic as there were two beings created for adam before Eve, lilith and another I'll refer to as the entitiy. Lilith rejected adam but often comes back so have sex with him. It says these encounters birthed demons. She also would kill some of adams and Eve's children.

The next enitity isnt defined well. It also rejected adam because it figured they were incompatible and "flew away".

I mention these because the story of Adam and Eve is birth of mans sin. God is blamed for mans sins often but really our reality is the result of our own doing.

There also was a reason he divided people, though I cant remember it at this time accurately. But it definitely has to do with not gollowing gods statutes. If god didn't divide us then we wouldnt have a chance, as one person could lead everyone astray.

It is man who brought pain and death into the world. It also man who bickers and kills over the division.

Our whole trial of life and following his statutes is so in death we can be recreated as perfect beings as sin has stained our souls so it is impossible for us to be immortal.

the earth was adam and Eve's but they basically gave the world to lucifer when they sinned.

And again god does not love everyone, the lineage of cain was never ment to exist. Also there were people outside the garden. Known by following the story of cain. He created the cannanites, edmomites, moabites and others.
These linages arent necessarily full human as it is known some of them come from mating with neanderthals. These lineages still exist today which Is also another reason for division.

One little fun fact that relates to now and that you can research if you like, is that white peolple (edomites) and asians (moabites) have a large portion of neanderthal DNA. Black people have no neanderthal dna or a small portion from racial mixing.

You are just repeating stuff from some religious text, and presenting such as truth. Some of us are more than sceptical of what is written so long ago. Some aren't. The Neanderthal mix is only a few per cent in some and we still no doubt have much to discover. But I'm sure you don't rely on science anyway do you?

 

[Mock Turtle]

You are a non believer and firm in your stance regardless of whatever evidence says otherwise. You've made that very clear and I can/have to accept that.

No. You are firm in your stance (fixed even?). Let's get this straight. I acknowledge my doubts, but I have a better basis for such because there are so many different religious beliefs, and I am sure you are aware that all cannot be correct. Hence I am a non-believer in any one religious belief being correct - given the odds - but leave the God question slightly open. And fortunately I do not then suffer from some of the ridiculous doctrines often emanating from some of the religions but use my brain to decide how to live and how to perceive reality.

 

[Skeezy]

No. You are firm in your stance (fixed even?). Let's get this straight. I acknowledge my doubts, but I have a better basis for such because there are so many different religious beliefs, and I am sure you are aware that all cannot be correct. Hence I am a non-believer in any one religious belief being correct - given the odds - but leave the God question slightly open. And fortunately I do not then suffer from some of the ridiculous doctrines often emanating from some of the religions but use my brain to decide how to live and how to perceive reality.

The 2nd half was directed towards some one else.

But.. I'll reply anyway lol


Thats good,you should question. My faith started much like some of you here. I went to several private schools so they had services every friday. My family went to church every once in a great while. I wanted to believe but had doubts as many things people pass down are more for comfort reasons.

I always questioned contradictions. When I was very young I asked my mother, "are all the angels white?"As every depiction of angels and heaven that I had seen in textbooks and childrens bookseven earlier was as white as can be.

i also questioned practices of some faiths of the schools out of sheer reason and rationality. Much like I mentiomed previously, catholics praying to statues of mary etc. As this is not something I think Jesus would condone given that it breaks a commandment.

Mind you, in my head I carried the possibility God isn't real or perhaps he died or is alien etc. All sorts of possibilities and questions like what does it mean to be made in his image?

My grounding didnt reach full peak till I started to uncover the truth behind American History/Non white history.

i saw a movie called, "Hidden Colors". It basically was a documentary about Moorish black men and the truth about the beginning of America. I knew what the were saying was true because in 7th grade my school had a field trip to a American history/slave museum. My teacher bought one of the museum books of artifacts and art pieces.

The next day at school she pointed out several things but one she highlighted the most was a particular painting. In the paintimg there were 3-4 white men in the foregroumd, I believe jefferson and washington were two of them. In the backround there were slaves carrying bieces to build.

My teacher asked the class did they notice anything different about the painting?
In the backroumd there were Two kinds of black people. slaves in loin cloths carrying supplies but directing them were black men in fine silk garments wearing turbans. My teachers ssid, "Thats interesting these are Moorish black men."

Long story short, I uncovered that everything I was every taught in school out of textbooks about American History/My history was a Lie. Beyond that racism and biggoted lies had tained everything including religion.

In uncovering truth about my people and piecing together true history, all lead me back to the bible. In uncovering the truth about reality I also became grounded In Yahuah as scripture coincides with the truth. A lot of people use the term but dont know what it means to be truly "woke"