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Females & military drafts

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yep and yep and yeah, their active duty is in the 2 million range. They have almost that much as reserves though too that's why I said if they were added together. Either way, it isn't anywhere close to 200mil.
Another way to look it....
2,000,000 & 200,000,000 only differ by 2 zeros.
 

NewChapter

GiveMeATicketToWork
The History Channel says a lot of things that aren't true. You need that to be the number because of your beliefs. Otherwise you wouldn't keep bringing up Revelations. However, fact is, China's military is nowhere near that size. It really isn't. I already posted accurate numbers for their military. Even if you add together both active and reserves you aren't going to top 5 million. You are never going to reach 200 million.

Making some assumptions here, Draka.

Peace and may God Bless you,
Noah
 

9Westy9

Sceptic, Libertarian, Egalitarian
Premium Member
So, a question all, should women be included in a military draft in your opinion? Why? or Why not?

My opinion is yes they should because to exclude them would be sexist.

Israeli soldiers:

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Peace to you,
Noah

Of course. We live in the 21st century after all. It would be sexist to only force men to fight and die for their country.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
Making some assumptions here, Draka.

Peace and may God Bless you,
Noah
I may be assuming that you want to believe China has that many personnel, but that is the only assumption and I rather think it is correct.

I am not assuming the numbers though:
http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=China
That gives a lot of stats and you can compare with other top ranked countries as well. Keep in mind, obviously, that sheer numbers of troops does not indicate the strength of said military, which is why it is possible to have less troops yet a stronger military force.

This says it as well:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Liberation_Army
"The PLA deploys the world's largest ground force, currently totalling some 1.6 million personnel, or about 60 percent of the PLA's total manpower (2.3 million). "

This chart gives China's numbers actually lower as it doesn't have as many for reserves upon it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel

This article gives the current number as 2.3 million for the military AND is announcing a cut of 300,000. That's right, China keeps downsizing their military, not increasing it. You simply aren't going to get 200 million from them no matter how you slice it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/w...-town-as-it-gears-up-for-military-parade.html
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
You want to defend your country from attack or you want it defended if it is attacked, right?

I agree with countries that make a term of military service mandatory for all citizens.
Bear in mind, that you can only support such a position if you yourself either have been or are willing to be drafted in to the military, otherwise you'll end up a hypocrite chickenhawk.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Well as anyone can put anything on the internet, I'll go with the History Channel.

Sources from the internet can be good or bad. Endtimesresearchministry sounds like a bad source, but at least they cite commonly known figures that China has an army of ~2.3 million instead of the 200 million.

endtimesresearchministry said:
China has any army of 2,255,000 with a reserve force of 800,000.

It's highly improbable that History Channel would make an error of such magnitude to say that China has 200 million soldiers. They simply would not have resources to outfit or train those soldiers. Even with 2 million plus it's not cheap to keep a modern army for a nation of 1.2 billion.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
I think for military applications that require good physicality, men have the much higher chance to join and more probability to provide the best results.

I think of we make a team of 20 average men and a team of 20 average women and let them fight to death, the team of men will win with ease. (do I sense a joke coming?)

That's of course about the possibilities and chances in productivity in this field, not that it means women can't do it should be completely excluded from joining the force.


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Ah, I think my post is a little off.
What's a draft? I know a letter that's not finalized is called a draft, as I learned from my construction contracting job.
 
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Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
The draft is a wonderful way to get young people interested in promoting world peace.
 

Jedster

Flying through space
In the UK in WW2 every one was drafted for something. men were even drafted to work down the mines And women into the land army and factories.
There were a few reserved occupations which were vital to the war effort, who were not called up.
To day we have no draft or register.
All service men and women volunteer, either as full time, or reserve part timers. Both are short of their targets.

I I sure the Government has plans in place as to what to do in the case of another war. Which I would expect to be similar to WW2 But with increased entry points for women.


My dear departed auntie Rosie was drafted to roll cigarettes for the troops.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Ah, I think my post is a little off.

What's a draft? I know a letter that's not finalized is called a draft, as I learned from my construction contracting job.
 

Jedster

Flying through space
Ah, I think my post is a little off.

What's a draft? I know a letter that's not finalized is called a draft, as I learned from my construction contracting job.
Being drafted into the military means being conscripted or being called up; i.e you have to go to army when drafted
 

Smart_Guy

...
Premium Member
Being drafted into the military means being conscripted or being called up; i.e you have to go to army when drafted

Aha! Sounds like a transference in the civil law.

Then no, I don't support drafting. However, an employee has no right to reject it since it comes with the job. If someone does not want to face job changes/hazards, they shouldn't have taken it or they should find another job.

As for men vs. women here, I'm more lenient toward drafting men than drafting women, if it happens. If I'm in charge, I'd at least force the military to take priorities in drafting men before women. That of course does not mean no at all, it just means taking priorities. I have this soft spot for women, know what I'm saying? ;)
 

NewChapter

GiveMeATicketToWork
I may be assuming that you want to believe China has that many personnel, but that is the only assumption and I rather think it is correct.

I am not assuming the numbers though:
http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=China
That gives a lot of stats and you can compare with other top ranked countries as well. Keep in mind, obviously, that sheer numbers of troops does not indicate the strength of said military, which is why it is possible to have less troops yet a stronger military force.

This says it as well:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Liberation_Army
"The PLA deploys the world's largest ground force, currently totalling some 1.6 million personnel, or about 60 percent of the PLA's total manpower (2.3 million). "

This chart gives China's numbers actually lower as it doesn't have as many for reserves upon it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel

This article gives the current number as 2.3 million for the military AND is announcing a cut of 300,000. That's right, China keeps downsizing their military, not increasing it. You simply aren't going to get 200 million from them no matter how you slice it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/w...-town-as-it-gears-up-for-military-parade.html

Net sources aren't the most authoritative but I guess that we'll agree to disagree.

Peace to you,
Noah
 

NewChapter

GiveMeATicketToWork
Bear in mind, that you can only support such a position if you yourself either have been or are willing to be drafted in to the military, otherwise you'll end up a hypocrite chickenhawk.

Yes I'd agree across the board that a mandatory term of service in the Armed Forces should be implemented on all citizens in an ideal (Ideal for a draft) country...melting pot countries though I think pose a specific issue...
 
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NewChapter

GiveMeATicketToWork
Guns even out the situation a bit


Interesting article

Taking Aim at an Old Debate
Can Female Athletes Compete Against Men? In Shooting, Yes—But Not in the Olympics

http://www.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970203960804577239540945498130?mg=reno64-

Not a question of who is stronger.

As the old saying goes, "It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, it's about the size of the fight in the dog."

Exclusion in government based on gender is sexism.

PS: Didn't watch the video.
 
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