I see him as some sort of sage that hands out advice, corrects spelling and grammar and likes to talk about engines and trailers. My version of Groundskeeper Willie. He could use more cowbell.
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Femininity and Meow
- Thread starter Meow Mix
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I chose Willie not because I'm like him,
but because I admire & aspire to be like him.
There's a masculinity thread?
It is it in a masculinity forum?
Is it a DIR?
I hope not....I have less testosterone than a tomato these days.
That would be interesting. It might be a series of questions, since a person might be able to disguise themselves easier on one question.
You succeeded.
You do strike me as pretty girlie.
But you also have a level head, which is a guy thing.
Alas, too few guys have that guy thing.
Tomatoes are low testosterone? Well that was a waste of time moving the garden away from the pool then.
Femininity....
- Interest in babies.
- More social, especially with other women.
- Smaller & not so controlling...except immediate family.
- Taking care of the kids.
- Lust for men.
- Inability to change men, despite desire.
- Interest in babies.
- More social, especially with other women.
- Smaller & not so controlling...except immediate family.
- Taking care of the kids.
- Lust for men.
- Inability to change men, despite desire.
I've never quite understood either the concept of masculinity or femininity. They seem to be linked with some sort of weird division of behaviors and responsibilities that i just have never seen as making any sense at any time other than the 1950's (when it didn't make sense either, but...).
Like Steinem said (paraphrase to make more PG): very few jobs require specific genitals.
Like Steinem said (paraphrase to make more PG): very few jobs require specific genitals.
Well sure. But in Australiastan that’s called being normal. Well maybe the tattoos might cause a couple head turns. Ehh
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
It IS a bit weird, I think. I'm thinking that masculinity and femininity are just similar to the Yin & Yang concept. I also feel there's a little more than that to it, but it's hard to break down.
Tattoos are waaaay more common than they used to be. I was very young (in terms of adulthood, I'm trying to remember if I could drink yet) when I got my chestpiece and backpiece, so they were a very big deal when people saw them. Not so much anymore. There are definitely people more heavily tattooed than I, but I'm still on the heavy side of the spectrum.
I think some of it is in subtle societal reactions too. I dress more or less feminine at times and know exactly what I'm doing when I do. It affects how I'm treated in extremely subtle ways that I would have a hard time even describing.
I wear my avatars the same way. If I've got a flower in my hair for instance, I'm feeling particularly feminine today.
(Today it's just a joke about my ****ty bed hair haha)
Dunno if it's 'traditional' or just...*shrugs*...
It gets really hard to articulate my thoughts on this, to be honest, but I've never let coherency stop me before so...
I tend to think of things as being spectrums these days. Sexuality, for example. And more than that, I think there is a degree of fluidity to them.
However, just because something is a spectrum, and all points on that spectrum are valid, it doesn't mean all points on that spectrum are as likely. Which actually doesn't really matter, unless we start talking about generalizations.
So...and this is where my words are going to get clumsy...it's entirely possible for women to be more emotive than men on average, without considering emotional men non-masculine, or unemotional women non-feminine.
Our masculinity...or femininity...is a whole raft of different concepts, emotions, judgements and cultural cues in totality, and even then speaks more to what we see as 'normative expressions' than anything.
An emotional man might meet our general conceptualizations of masculinity, or he may not. It will depend on the sum total of ALL his cues and expressions, and of the cultural environment we place him in.
When I lived in Papua New Guinea, platonic male friends would regularly walk down the street holding hands (loosely). In the other hand it wasn't at all unusual to see them holding a bush knife (machete). Put those same guys in downtown Melbourne and it probably looks at first glance like there are a couple of black homosexual serial killers wandering around looking for their next victim.
Meh...anyways...
I think concepts of masculinity are important. Not for everyone, though, and they are eminently replaceable. But in general terms when teaching it was useful to build healthy identities with children. Commonly, when I was a teacher, this was around group cohesion. So, our class would decide together what was important to us. What environment did we want to foster, and how did we want to deal with behaviour or circumstances that ran contrary to this.
A lot of teachers do that sort of thing. Admittedly, I took it a little further, which some might have found disconcerting (like...including adults behaviour, how we dealt with visitors to our room, and what 'outreach' programs we were going to undertake to help other classes), but the basics are that having a positive group identity to belong to can help our individual esteem.
Having a negative group identity to belong to? Yeah, well...exactly...these things cut both ways, which is why positive expressions of masculinity are so important to recognize, imho.
I don't have sons, but I have nephews, and my closest friends have boys. As a role model, I'm kinda the slightly sweary uncle who tells the most groan-inducing jokes, likes sport and beer, and cooks outside (grill or pizza). I also appear to have as much emotional depth as a turnip.
All pretty stereotypical, really.
So it's important I let them know that I read books. That I write, if badly. That I sat down with my girls and watched Tinkerbell movies when they wanted to, and scary movies when they wanted that, because both are fine. That I support women's sport, women in politics, that when I get a chance to hire and build a team I actively want to hire people who are DIFFERENT to me, rather than echo chambers. That I was a very strong advocate for marriage equality, because any time we treat a group of people as less, it's problematic for all of us. That I think we need to take better action around First Nations peoples.
I'm hoping that makes me a positive masculine role model. I hope it lets them see it's entirely possible to be a 'man'...even a very traditional one, on face value...and still use your brain, and empathy, and turn this into meaningful action, rather than just hand-wringing and social media posts (which...again...seems more generational than anything...)
So there. That's how you take a post about Meow and her femininity and make it entirely about Lewis and his masculinity.
Thus ends my example of mansplaining.
You're welcome.
If I had more time, I would take this post and use it as the driver to create 5 ridiculous threads, all about you.
However, I am currently putting off work that is due today. It still might happen.
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
I can also talk about the emotional changes I've experienced since getting on estrogen, and we can further discuss whether these changes are anything that points to what being a woman emotionally is. I'm just not sure if it's useful, as the whole idea I had that you can maybe compare that way, could be misunderstanding the subject or based on faulty premises. I just don't know.
Dunno if it's 'traditional' or just...*shrugs*...
It gets really hard to articulate my thoughts on this, to be honest, but I've never let coherency stop me before so...
I tend to think of things as being spectrums these days. Sexuality, for example. And more than that, I think there is a degree of fluidity to them.
However, just because something is a spectrum, and all points on that spectrum are valid, it doesn't mean all points on that spectrum are as likely. Which actually doesn't really matter, unless we start talking about generalizations.
So...and this is where my words are going to get clumsy...it's entirely possible for women to be more emotive than men on average, without considering emotional men non-masculine, or unemotional women non-feminine.
Our masculinity...or femininity...is a whole raft of different concepts, emotions, judgements and cultural cues in totality, and even then speaks more to what we see as 'normative expressions' than anything.
An emotional man might meet our general conceptualizations of masculinity, or he may not. It will depend on the sum total of ALL his cues and expressions, and of the cultural environment we place him in.
When I lived in Papua New Guinea, platonic male friends would regularly walk down the street holding hands (loosely). In the other hand it wasn't at all unusual to see them holding a bush knife (machete). Put those same guys in downtown Melbourne and it probably looks at first glance like there are a couple of black homosexual serial killers wandering around looking for their next victim.
Meh...anyways...
I think concepts of masculinity are important. Not for everyone, though, and they are eminently replaceable. But in general terms when teaching it was useful to build healthy identities with children. Commonly, when I was a teacher, this was around group cohesion. So, our class would decide together what was important to us. What environment did we want to foster, and how did we want to deal with behaviour or circumstances that ran contrary to this.
A lot of teachers do that sort of thing. Admittedly, I took it a little further, which some might have found disconcerting (like...including adults behaviour, how we dealt with visitors to our room, and what 'outreach' programs we were going to undertake to help other classes), but the basics are that having a positive group identity to belong to can help our individual esteem.
Having a negative group identity to belong to? Yeah, well...exactly...these things cut both ways, which is why positive expressions of masculinity are so important to recognize, imho.
I don't have sons, but I have nephews, and my closest friends have boys. As a role model, I'm kinda the slightly sweary uncle who tells the most groan-inducing jokes, likes sport and beer, and cooks outside (grill or pizza). I also appear to have as much emotional depth as a turnip.
All pretty stereotypical, really.
So it's important I let them know that I read books. That I write, if badly. That I sat down with my girls and watched Tinkerbell movies when they wanted to, and scary movies when they wanted that, because both are fine. That I support women's sport, women in politics, that when I get a chance to hire and build a team I actively want to hire people who are DIFFERENT to me, rather than echo chambers. That I was a very strong advocate for marriage equality, because any time we treat a group of people as less, it's problematic for all of us. That I think we need to take better action around First Nations peoples.
I'm hoping that makes me a positive masculine role model. I hope it lets them see it's entirely possible to be a 'man'...even a very traditional one, on face value...and still use your brain, and empathy, and turn this into meaningful action, rather than just hand-wringing and social media posts (which...again...seems more generational than anything...)
So there. That's how you take a post about Meow and her femininity and make it entirely about Lewis and his masculinity.
Thus ends my example of mansplaining.
You're welcome.
Bahaha I felt like it was self-centered to make the post about me so you've done me a favor.
Still, I think I agree with a lot of this.
This is a good point. I'm trying to play around with this deliberately in a novel I'm slowly...slowly...slowly trying to write. Hard to balance not being obvious, versus driving the sort of reaction I'm after.
I'm sure it's not just you. Although in your case here, I always take more cue from the name than the avatar. So Dan feels masculine to me, although it obviously doesn't have to be.
@JustGeorge I would have perceived as masculine unless the avatar was a self-portrait, just based on the masculine name,
Never really thought of the bunny avatar as feminine, tbh. Not sure why?