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Femininity and Meow

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
I can also talk about the emotional changes I've experienced since getting on estrogen, and we can further discuss whether these changes are anything that points to what being a woman emotionally is. I'm just not sure if it's useful, as the whole idea I had that you can maybe compare that way, could be misunderstanding the subject or based on faulty premises. I just don't know.

It's an open discussion as far as I see! People may have different opinions.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Riding on the coattails of the masculinity thread, I was curious about perceptions of femininity.

Do y’all consider me feminine with the swearing, the drinking, the tattoos, the occasional irreverence, standing up for myself, and blah?

Because I do, but I know that definitely isn’t traditional. I don’t think tradition is the greatest measure of masculinity or femininity in my book.
No! Now bring me my beer!

Seriously I don't put too much thought into masculinity or femininity. People are what they are. There is no reason that a lesbian cannot be feminine. There is no reason that a gay man cannot be masculine. Be what you want to be. And if people complain, they can pound sand.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
It's an open discussion as far as I see! People may have different opinions.

There are multiple facets to talk about, and I may or may not cover them all. But strangely enough, the biggest difference is I have so much more control over my sex drive. Next up is that I feel more introverted, yet more social. Yet if you were to compare it on the outside, I'm actually a bit more social, I think, now.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Riding on the coattails of the masculinity thread, I was curious about perceptions of femininity.

Do y’all consider me feminine with the swearing, the drinking, the tattoos, the occasional irreverence, standing up for myself, and blah?
Absolutely!

Because I do, but I know that definitely isn’t traditional. I don’t think tradition is the greatest measure of masculinity or femininity in my book.
I was a punker and had a lot of Goth friends in my younger years, so you'd fit in. Kinda like that sort of spirited woman.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
This is a good point. I'm trying to play around with this deliberately in a novel I'm slowly...slowly...slowly trying to write. Hard to balance not being obvious, versus driving the sort of reaction I'm after.



I'm sure it's not just you. Although in your case here, I always take more cue from the name than the avatar. So Dan feels masculine to me, although it obviously doesn't have to be.
@JustGeorge I would have perceived as masculine unless the avatar was a self-portrait, just based on the masculine name,

Never really thought of the bunny avatar as feminine, tbh. Not sure why?
I am glad you do not see my bunny avatar as feminine, that might ruin the rapport I have established with all the ladies.

Dan isn't even my real name, but there is no way to pronounce my real name in any human language. Never-the-less it is the mostest, bestest masculine rabbit name there is. It roughly translates as pretty, fluffy, bunny boy.

Good luck with the writing. I am still toying with it myself. As a writer, you use the words to evoke an emotional response or to guide the reader to see what you are seeing in your mind. At least that is how I look at it. But you never know what everyone is going to see of your vision. I see it as making word choice important.
 

ADigitalArtist

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Staff member
Premium Member
Riding on the coattails of the masculinity thread, I was curious about perceptions of femininity.

Do y’all consider me feminine with the swearing, the drinking, the tattoos, the occasional irreverence, standing up for myself, and blah?

Because I do, but I know that definitely isn’t traditional. I don’t think tradition is the greatest measure of masculinity or femininity in my book.
To me femininity and masculinity can be thought of as moment to moment preformativoty, moment to moment expression, but isn't *limited* to those things. A person can appear to be very outwardly gregarious, strong, passionate and socially ambivalent (which is interpreted as crassness) but also be very fond of quiet introspection, nurturing, enjoying stillness, focusing inward. These things are not bad for anyone to do but definitely coded as masculine and feminine behaviors.

The real question is... if someone came up to you and said 'you're behaving in a very masculine way today,' would it upset you?
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
To me femininity and masculinity can be thought of as moment to moment preformativoty, moment to moment expression, but isn't *limited* to those things. A person can appear to be very outwardly gregarious, strong, passionate and socially ambivalent (which is interpreted as crassness) but also be very fond of quiet introspection, nurturing, enjoying stillness, focusing inward. These things are not bad for anyone to do but definitely coded as masculine and feminine behaviors.

The real question is... if someone came up to you and said 'you're behaving in a very masculine way today,' would it upset you?

If I'm being honest, I think it might very mildly bug me just because femininity is part of my identity, even if I step back and try to look at it without bias, I do have tradiationally masculine traits. Maybe rather than being annoyed by that I should re-evaluate why it would annoy me at all.

Edit: I say things like "tomboyish tendencies" because I guess it does bug me, I never realized that because I hadn't asked myself that.
 

JustGeorge

Imperfect
Staff member
Premium Member
I am glad you do not see my bunny avatar as feminine, that might ruin the rapport I have established with all the ladies.

Its hard for me to imagine a rabbit being feminine. I suppose they can be, but...

We had a rabbit for years named Cortez. He was about as 'masculine' as they come. Forget 'rabbit food'... he'd get into the trash like a dog. Stole the patty off someone's cheeseburger. He'd charge the door when the pizza delivery guy came(which usually flabbergasted the person dropping the pizza off, but there was nothing he enjoyed more than a cold beer and pizza).

My husband had guests once, who all put their beers on the floor next to them. "Please don't do that. The rabbit(who usually ran free) will drink your beer." Haha, yeah, sure. "HEY! That rabbit is drinking my beer!" Well, yeah, I told you...

He'd get offended at me, and stomp his foot(which is a rabbit's way of flipping you off), and I'd stomp back, and we'd argue... But most of the time he was a very affectionate and loving rabbit. And then one night we heard him running back and forth like something was chasing him... we picked him up and brought him in our bed... and he breathed his last breath. He'd gotten up there in years, and was declining. It wasn't a shock, but it was still very sad. We all miss him.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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Premium Member
Tattoos are waaaay more common than they used to be. I was very young (in terms of adulthood, I'm trying to remember if I could drink yet) when I got my chestpiece and backpiece, so they were a very big deal when people saw them. Not so much anymore. There are definitely people more heavily tattooed than I, but I'm still on the heavy side of the spectrum.
Oh yeah I see way more tattoos now than I did when I was a kid
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
Here we go. This avatar from the other week captures the me for tonight ^.^ (or the next couple hours, we'll see)

Of course I start a thread about femininity and put on a wack *** avatar hahaha. (I still haven't done anything with my hair, though it's settled down a bit).
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
You never struck me as masculine. You certainly don't look it either. :)

My latest thread contained the statement "Mom's are like Dad's, just smarter".

I know there are exceptions. :p

Try to get in touch with Mother Goddess or some Spirit of Divine femininity (or not, but that has been my hope for you since we met).

I feel you could be empowered on your crusade by some feminists more Ancient and wise than yourself, and become more successful at fighting injustice with better guidance and prudence from higher powers is all. ;)

Not that you are lacking in prudence, but humans are very young and limited in understanding. The world is millions of years old. My belief is there are female entities that old too, and very wise.

Scripture speaks of Wisdom as being a female entity who existed before earth was created, who cries out in the streets for the foolish to heed her voice.

But I certainly am not fond of Scripture. Just thought I'd share it as an example. :)

I hope you find the happiness you seek.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
The thread title is charming. :)

When I first saw it I thought it said "Femininity and Mao".

I thought it was about a Chinese Dictator who committed genocide against sparrows. :D

(See Mao and the Sparrow genocide. But to relate that to cats, I rescued a sparrow from a cat once and nursed it back to health because it couldn't fly).

To relate that to feminism, despite some theories, Communism is not a friend.

To relate that to the OP, it all goes back to "Femininity and Mao". I think I'm dyslexic :D
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
You never struck me as masculine. You certainly don't look it either. :)

My latest thread contained the statement "Mom's are like Dad's, just smarter".

I know there are exceptions. :p

Try to get in touch with Mother Goddess or some Spirit of Divine femininity (or not, but that has been my hope for you since we met).

I feel you could be empowered on your crusade by some feminists more Ancient and wise than yourself, and become more successful at fighting injustice with better guidance and prudence from higher powers is all. ;)

Not that you are lacking in prudence, but humans are very young and limited in understanding. The world is millions of years old. My belief is there are female entities that old too, and very wise.

Scripture speaks of Wisdom as being a female entity who existed before earth was created, who cries out in the streets for the foolish to heed her voice.

But I certainly am not fond of Scripture. Just thought I'd share it as an example. :)

I hope you find the happiness you seek.

If I were pagan or spiritualist of any kind, I would 100% hit up the goddesses of feminism for their wisdom! ^.^

I'm more of a skeptic, but I appreciate the advice and especially the well-wishes. I hope you are finding happiness as well <3
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I dislike babies :grimacing:
Well, it's about a preponderance of femininity factors.
Ya needn't have every one. But also, you're young,
& your journey is just beginning.

How's that for pseudo-sage pontificating, eh!
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
Its hard for me to imagine a rabbit being feminine. I suppose they can be, but...

We had a rabbit for years named Cortez. He was about as 'masculine' as they come. Forget 'rabbit food'... he'd get into the trash like a dog. Stole the patty off someone's cheeseburger. He'd charge the door when the pizza delivery guy came(which usually flabbergasted the person dropping the pizza off, but there was nothing he enjoyed more than a cold beer and pizza).

My husband had guests once, who all put their beers on the floor next to them. "Please don't do that. The rabbit(who usually ran free) will drink your beer." Haha, yeah, sure. "HEY! That rabbit is drinking my beer!" Well, yeah, I told you...

He'd get offended at me, and stomp his foot(which is a rabbit's way of flipping you off), and I'd stomp back, and we'd argue... But most of the time he was a very affectionate and loving rabbit. And then one night we heard him running back and forth like something was chasing him... we picked him up and brought him in our bed... and he breathed his last breath. He'd gotten up there in years, and was declining. It wasn't a shock, but it was still very sad. We all miss him.
Jessica Rabbit, but she was only a rabbit by marriage.

Rabbits like beer. Especially expensive Belgian beer.

Rabbits turn out to make pretty good pets from what I have seen. Sounds like he had a pretty good life with you guys.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
Well, it's about a preponderance of femininity factors.
Ya needn't have every one. But also, you're young,
& your journey is just beginning.

How's that for pseudo-sage pontificating, eh!
That is some great pontificating as I have come to expect.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I have severe tokophobia and as well as this I just have always found babies a bit gross. I like kids once they can walk and talk :D
Fear of toking?
Oh....searched internet....yes, that is a very sensible fear.
Sounds horrible.
Adoption is a great way to have children.
Both of mine are. Much easier.
 
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