Ferguson: Maybe time to start asking the most pertinent questions?

[Father Heathen]

I don't know that I would refer to the above ad hominem as a rebuttal of any kind. Does that mean I win?

Critique and observation don't constitute ad homs.

Also, victory is determined by facts.

 

[Alceste]

Of course. We're all just blowing hot air around because we're bored at home, right?

I know I am. God bless employment insurance.

 

[s2a]

Here is a link worth viewing
Michael Brown shooting: Police 'threatened to shoot and mace reporters' in Ferguson - Americas - World - The Independent
Three journalists arrested by Ferguson police, another threatened with mace, and yet another threatened with a gun. If that's what they do to the media, god help the local population.

One apologist for the police tells us that the boy had robbed a shop: the officer in the car had not been told about the robbery. Another says "he was deliberately impeding traffic": OMG! What a heinous crime! What on earth is wrong with you people?

You present a "twist" upon media coverage that suggests a "cover-up" of what may have actually transpired, but...

... Mustafa Hussein's accounting's highlight a different aspect of "media" coverage that may be utterly unrelated to the initial story, and real more abut brother's in arms seeking to protect one another as cops, unrelated to the initial shooting itself.

Is such behavior by police worthy of investigation and examination/exposure too...of course.

But let's not confuse aberrant and ill-conceived behavior on the part of police with investigating the actual facts of the incident itself. Should we all take interest in police seeking to suppress a free press? Of course. Does one have anything to do with the other? Unlikely.

 

[s2a]

And people want to tell me that this isn't about race?

Well, you are free to describe the photo as you think better reflects upon the individual then, But that is for another thread.

 

[Alceste]

Well, you are free to describe the photo as you think better reflects upon the individual then, But that is for another thread.

I thought it was a rite of passage for all Americans to post selfies with their guns and booze.

 

[s2a]

You are never going to be able to rationalize with people who's ideology is based strictly off emotion and utterly devoid of independent free thought. These poor individuals took the campus Kool-Aid and were completely lobotomized by their left-wing Diversity professors.

I'll be sure to write a strong letter to all those "left-wing Diversity professors" I admired.

With their new found perception every scenario becomes racial charged even when race was not even relevant. They will reach for any reason they can to maintain their brainwashing even in the face of absurd credulity.

No, these people are mad. For real. No brainwashing needed.

The testimony of the star witness, Dorian Johnson, swayed their hearts with his innocent demeanor and plausible explanation.

WE shall see. I'm patient, are you?

{quote]Notate the red tip dreads to signify BLOOD affiliation as well as tear drop eye tats to signify 2 murders. He claims Big Mike was shot in the back by the officers....uh oh....autopsy says otherwise..

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Well, it's a start, but a long way from any conclusion....

Even when their star witness narrative doesn't match the facts they will not change their mind. Even when hearing the off conversation on the scene did not sway them. Even if they had footage showing Big Mike charging the officer wouldn't change their minds.

We shall see...shall we wait or conclude investigations before ALL available evidence is known?

Officer Darren Wilson was found guilty the minute they found out he was white. For shame ladies, for shame!

For some perhaps.

BTW, you win the prize for most over-sized pic in the thread. Congrats.

 

[s2a]

I agree completely. However I cannot understand how people can support Brown. Is anyone oblivious to the fact that cigars are use for smoking marjuna or chronic. Ol' Mike could have been PcP'up.

And some of the naïve supporters say the cop didn't know Brown was the robber but they lose focus that Brown still knew he did. He had nothing to lose and knew if the cop brought him it would be game over. Brown had nothing to lose and everything to gain by charging the officer.

Addtionally he could have had his hands up defensively to shield the bullets thinking he could sustain the shots. He doesn't really come off as a sharp knife in the drawer.

Pure speculation. But thank you for tour utterly unrelated background.

 

[s2a]

Well of course the idiots who wanted to take advantage of the situation, those who hate everything, even cops, and who are also racist.

Just for the record...one need not be a racist to be a thief.

 

[Alceste]

I don't see any tear drop tattoos on that guy. I see blemishes or birthmarks near his left eye. And the dreads - that's a totally normal hairdo where I come from.

 

[Alceste]

Just for the record...one need not be a racist to be a thief.

True, that. It sure helps if you're poor though.

 

[psychoslice]

Just for the record...one need not be a racist to be a thief.

Just for the record I didn't say that, I am talking about peoples attitude and why they are angry, which probably has nothing to do with the shooting situation.

 

[s2a]

It doesn't make sense to me, but, I remain open to the possiblity that Wilson justly or unjustly took Brown's life.

Well it's one or the other, legally speaking, is it not?

I am of the opinion that until proven guilty in a court of law, he and his family have the right to freedom and safety. Considering the outcry, most of which is understandable and justified, I think that it may have been a good move to withhold his name and provide an opportunity for his family to safely exit the area.

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Agreed.

There are always those few that wouldn't hesitate to take the law into their own hands which isn't justifiable, regardless as to what happened.

Which is why Batman remains a fictional character from comic books.

I don't think it unreasonable that if there were dozens of eyewitnesses, they may have been more concerned about the men involved in the incident than they were about documenting it.

Possible, but not impossible either. KInda my point, and worthy of further investigations.

I also think it's possible that some eyewitness accounts may stem from heated emotion and not fact.

Entirely possible. But then, the fair question again arises as to whether the involved community at large seeks justice, or quick retribution.

Agreed. Footage of any sort would be nice, but, then, we don't know whether or not footage does exist and is included in the ongoing investigation.

Perhaps patience may be in order then?

I wouldn't think it unwise to withold any evidence from the community, considering the emotion at this point. Until the investigation is closed, I don't believe that the FBI has any obligation to share information until details are clearer.

Agreed.

Time will tell. Time will heal.

From your lips to Gods ear.

 

[s2a]

And so ******* what?

Are these guys thugs too?

Just look like idiotic provocateurs to me,

 

[s2a]

Referring to peaceful protests as "riots" is not very helpful.

NO, it's not

But then, burning, pillaging, and vandalizing citizens that played no part in the vague circumstances alleged by a few to have happened...does characterize a 'riot". Protesters don't steal and burn their neighbors to make a non-violent point.

 

[s2a]

Are you both aware that peaceful protests are ongoing, on a vastly larger scale than any illegal or opportunistic behaviour?

Yes, I watch the "news". But as long as the "peaceful" are unwilling to distance and renounce the tendencies of violent offenders that operate in their name and cause, the peaceful protesters do not aid their cause in the eyes of those watching from afar.

Just saying, it's not an advised PR benefit.

 

[s2a]

If it helps any, I assume things about both of you.

Hee!

You cynic you!

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Just look like idiotic provocateurs to me,

But not thugs?

 

[s2a]

The social media is all over that video. I've seen it referenced several times already, in every case with the phrase "coming toward" mysteriously transformed into "rushing". Just as "victim" becomes "thug" and "protests" become "riots."

Funny how that works, isn't it? Like magic. It must be magic, cuz nobody anywhere has a subconscious fear and hatred of black people and black culture influencing their choice of words, according to everybody everywhere.

Interesting, if true. Whom is then primarily to blame for "characterizations" in public media?. Whom are to seen as the "demons", or soothsayers"?

I know that one network (Fox) may have an entirely different take, and analysis offered by another network (MSNBC), either/both of which may be either echoed or utterly ignored by their network affiliates.

Now what?

Like other topics of politics, religion, ethics, and "values", we all tend to congregate and surround ourselves with like-minded people and 'reporters.

One side will insist that "facts" have a distinctly "liberal" bias, and that "facts" have little to do with consummate "truths".

But again, as a final reminder, as the origin of the OP here, my concern is focused upon the "media" at large, and whether or not it is even asking the "right" questions that may be most pertinent to the ongoing investigations themselves, and if anyone in "major media" can expend those efforts to actual "journalism" and not simply keeping track of whatever PR horse may win that days race.

 

[s2a]

I thought it was a rite of passage for all Americans to post selfies with their guns and booze.

Not for old people like me. I know how I look with guns in hand and a booze bottle. I tend to avoid people I see like me in public places.

 

[s2a]

But not thugs?

I'm good with "idiots", yes.

"Buffoons" is a close second tho...