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Ferguson: Moving on..why none of this will mater...

Alceste,

Mike Brown allegedly attacked the cop which led to the fatal head shot. Please present evidence to the contrary or even evidence to reconcile the conflicting stories. Were any of these witnesses cross checked for inconsistencies and false statements, includinhg Mike Browns friend who failed to mention he or his friend just robbed a store.
 
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Alceste

Vagabond
Alceste,

Mike Brown allegedly attacked the cop which led to the fatal head shot. Please present evidence to the contrary or even evidence yo reconcile the conflicting stories. Were any of these witnesses cross checked for inconsistencies and false statements, includinhg Mike Browns friend who failed to mention he or his friend just robbed a store.

Feel free to peruse the two existing threads on the Brown shooting, the autopsy report, the videos, the witness statements and my interpretation of the evidence at your leisure. I have no interest in covering all that ground again.
 
:facepalm: "I want a systemic analysis of cop on civilian violence, not cherry picking isolated incidents, and I want you to start with this one isolated incident!"

I hope you realize your request is literally impossible to fulfill.

The difference between you and I is that i don't draw unwarranted conclusions, especially in this hyped up Fergueson case. I can see why SOME Black people can't suspend their judgement , I can also see why SOME gun banning Liberals or Brits have problems as well.

Its apparent that you are not able to back up YOUR claims.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
The difference between you and I is that i don't draw unwarranted conclusions, especially in this hyped up Fergueson case. I can see why SOME Black people can't suspend their judgement , I can also see why SOME gun banning Liberals or Brits have problems as well.

Its apparent that you are not able to back up YOUR claims.

Pathetic.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
I have no interest in covering all that ground again.

You would have to actually cover CREDIBLE ground, to do it again.


The evidence is not out for knee jerk accusations.


But what is, points to a dumb criminal assaulting an officer, who had every right to bust caps in him.


I wish you were closer to gamble a soda that cop walks.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
You would have to actually cover CREDIBLE ground, to do it again.


The evidence is not out for knee jerk accusations.


But what is, points to a dumb criminal assaulting an officer, who had every right to bust caps in him.


I wish you were closer to gamble a soda that cop walks.

Also pathetic.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
If people are willing to call the Ferguson case an unjustified police shooting WITHOUT waiting for all of the facts, why should I trust your assessment on theirs on all other police shootings?

Unlike you, I have read the autopsy report, cross referenced a number of witness statements, and watched several videos of the aftermath. There aren't that many facts left to wait for.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Also pathetic.

You know I love ya baby, go easy.



But facts are facts, if you assault an officer or endanger, you may get shot. Period.


All understanding the context and the definition and interpretation of "endangerment I solely up to an officer" who may make mistakes. BUT has every right to go home at the end of the day.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Unlike you, I have read the autopsy report, cross referenced a number of witness statements, and watched several videos of the aftermath. There aren't that many facts left to wait for.

Then you should know, the guy screwed up fighting a man with a gun.



This is not a case of BANG BANG BANG BANG!!!!! freeze police!


You just discount the witness that states the guy could have went for the cops gun.
 
You know I love ya baby, go easy.



But facts are facts, if you assault an officer or endanger, you may get shot. Period.


All understanding the context and the definition and interpretation of "endangerment I solely up to an officer" who may make mistakes. BUT has every right to go home at the end of the day.

Yes, exactly!
 

Alceste

Vagabond
You know I love ya baby, go easy.



But facts are facts, if you assault an officer or endanger, you may get shot. Period.


All understanding the context and the definition and interpretation of "endangerment I solely up to an officer" who may make mistakes. BUT has every right to go home at the end of the day.

I don't dispute that police have the right to go home safe at the end of the day. I am simply suggesting that these people ALSO have the right to go home safe at the end of the day.

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Unlike you, I have read the autopsy report, cross referenced a number of witness statements, and watched several videos of the aftermath. There aren't that many facts left to wait for.

So you have the gun fingerprints? You have the ORIGINAL and FEDERAL autopsy reports as opposed to just the BASIC and PRELIMINARY report from the independent source? You have the officer Wilson's medical report and you know ALL the witnesses instead of just the ones who show up on the news? I will await your verdict and sentencing of Officer Wilson.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
I don't dispute that police have the right to go home safe at the end of the day. I am simply suggesting that these people ALSO have the right to go home safe at the end of the day.

No one is stating cops do not make mistakes.

They do, and they do show bias.

It really is a crappy job, babysitting criminals. I would be jaded and biased.



All the more reason to avoid them, and to listen to them very carefully, because you may only get one chance.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
No one is stating cops do not make mistakes.

They do, and they do show bias.

It really is a crappy job, babysitting criminals. I would be jaded and biased.



All the more reason to avoid them, and to listen to them very carefully, because you may only get one chance.

Or zero chances. Years ago, a group of five or six police officers once pushed their way into my home after having been told they could not, shoved my boyfriend into a room that they blocked so he couldn't assist, and proceeded to beat the living crap out of two of my female friends, then dragged them out of my home and threw them in jail overnight. They were never charged with anything or given a reason for their beating and arrest. Which, I remind you, happened inside my home. They were afraid to report the officers involved because they didn't want to be targeted for further assaults and harassment, which was generally understood to be the consequence of filing reports against the police in my community.

As far as I know, their reason for invading my home and assaulting my friends is that my friends were drunk and noisy and one of them had smashed a beer bottle in the street on her way to my house. But they were IN my house and waiting for a taxi home when the police made their move. And their move was brutal violence, smashing my friend's head on the floor repeatedly, twisting her wrist so badly so she couldn't open doors for a week afterward. Both my friends were black and blue.

I also witnessed police in this city dragging a homeless man along the street by his arms. His pants had slipped off and his bare *** was dragging along a filthy city sidewalk. I saw it from a bus, and admittedly didn't see the reason for the arrest, but the police were unquestionably using excessive force. The guy was skin and bones, and completely limp.

I also have a friend who was beaten by police while in custody, once again with no charges being filed. In this case, the officers came to prepared to beat him up with a phone book, which I guess they somehow used to spread the impact of their blows and avoid leaving marks, subverting the possibility that he might later file a complaint backed by photographic evidence.

I also used to live in an art gallery / concert venue where we threw private parties, trading beer for "tips" because we were not licensed. We were not breaking any laws, but the police entered one night and proceeded to smash a number of art pieces to bits with their batons.

If I am skeptical of your conviction that police in general always act reasonably and only rarely use excessive force or attack out of rage rather than self-defense, it's because I've personally had these experiences.

I have also known people who were detained or ticketed by police with no violence employed, and of course that reflects the majority of encounters with police.

What I've NEVER witnessed or heard of in all my years is someone I know physically attacking a police officer.
 
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