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Ferguson!

freethinker44

Well-Known Member
Its shows how many cop get killed, where as your info probably came from a comic.

I posted the source so there is no reason guess about where it came from. And your post barely changes anything and doesn't backup your claim that "cops get shot at all the time". The difference between your statistics and mine is, it goes from slightly less than 1 cop per state to slightly over 1 cop per state per year. so how does that equal "cops get shot all the time"?

From the BLS, here are some jobs that are currently more dangerous than being a police officer.

Farmer
Grounds maintenance
Sales worker supervisor
Agricultural worker
Construction supervisors
Construction laborers
Vehicle mechanic
Maintenance worker
Production worker
Truck driver
Material moving worker

All of these are more dangerous than being a police officer. And as you can see, aside from most management jobs, a fairly large percentage of jobs in the US would be under one of those categories. So it looks like most jobs in the US are in fact more dangerous than being a police officer.

We need to let go of this false narrative that "police have a really dangerous job", because they don't, at all, so it shouldn't be used as any kind of justification to shoot unarmed people in the face.
 

freethinker44

Well-Known Member
You'll be waiting for a while then. 99% of the time cops who kill don't see the inside of a courtroom. That's one of those awkward real statistics, not a rhetorical device.

... and when they do, the arresting officer doesn't show and they can all have a good laugh about it with the judge and their police buddies as their case gets dismissed.

Cop Who Killed Grandmother in 100 mph Crash Gets Case Dismissed After Fellow Officer Misses Trial | Video | TheBlaze.com
 

Alceste

Vagabond
A friend of mine who lives in America used to be a cop. He got out because his moral conscience is pretty fine tuned. But when we were speaking about the subject he, basically, said that the cop would never see the inside of a court room. "Not over a black guy, anyway," he added, dejectedly.
A number of women who tried to be police in my country actually had to be treated for PTSD. Not because of dealing with criminals, but because of dealing with other cops.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I posted the source so there is no reason guess about where it came from. And your post barely changes anything and doesn't backup your claim that "cops get shot at all the time". The difference between your statistics and mine is, it goes from slightly less than 1 cop per state to slightly over 1 cop per state per year. so how does that equal "cops get shot all the time"?

From the BLS, here are some jobs that are currently more dangerous than being a police officer.

Farmer
Grounds maintenance
Sales worker supervisor
Agricultural worker
Construction supervisors
Construction laborers
Vehicle mechanic
Maintenance worker
Production worker
Truck driver
Material moving worker

All of these are more dangerous than being a police officer. And as you can see, aside from most management jobs, a fairly large percentage of jobs in the US would be under one of those categories. So it looks like most jobs in the US are in fact more dangerous than being a police officer.

We need to let go of this false narrative that "police have a really dangerous job", because they don't, at all, so it shouldn't be used as any kind of justification to shoot unarmed people in the face.

Thanks for that, but the whole is that it certainly can be a dangerous job, I wouldn't want to be a cop in America.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
I will concede that since they didn't have access to the clothing determining GSR may still be an open question. Maybe they were basing that on the bullet stippling.

He was wearing a T-shirt:

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There were two bullet wounds to his forearm, which was bare:

Autopsy_diagram.jpg


So the absence of gun powder residue does indeed indicate that he was not shot at close range, even without an examination of his clothing.
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
He was wearing a T-shirt:

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There were two bullet wounds to his forearm, which was bare:

Autopsy_diagram.jpg


So the absence of gun powder residue does indeed indicate that he was not shot at close range, even without an examination of his clothing.


Thanks for the clarification. There was a report that supposedly a shot was fired inside the police car. If true then shouldn't there be GSR present on the clothing? For the record I have my doubts about the shot fired inside the car....
 

MD

qualiaphile
I have to side with the libs on this one, there was no reason to kill an unarmed kid. Most cops are pretty big and have batons, if he was beating up a cop he should have whipped out the baton. And 8 bullets? Too much.

During my younger days I jaywalked, shoplifted, gotten into fist fights outside of bars, and had an argument with a cop and at most two of them gave me a stern warning. That's all it took for me to shut up and go home. If this kid was a troublemaker...then I'm a sociopathic criminal.

Another innocent man was just killed recently in Utah, unarmed.
Utah protesters demand justice for Dillon Taylor, others killed by police | The Salt Lake Tribune

The police doesn't need to be this militarized. They're not fighting militants in the Middle East or Ukraine.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Thanks for the clarification. There was a report that supposedly a shot was fired inside the police car. If true then shouldn't there be GSR present on the clothing? For the record I have my doubts about the shot fired inside the car....

I don't have any opinion on that particular detail, as I've seen no forensic, testimonial or video evidence either way. OTOH, if a shot had gone off in the vehicle as a result of an attempt by Brown to grab the gun, or during a struggle, I would expect there to be some powder residue on at least one of Brown's bare arms.

I confess I don't know how reasonable that expectation is, since my entire background in forensics consists of watching CSI and Sherlock. Lol. :D
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
One of my friends is pulling through. She's talking. And she has an attorney who is asking questions about where the bullet that was lodged in her brain is located. And she is requesting outside agencies investigate.

I'm happy she's alive. :)
 

Alceste

Vagabond
One of my friends is pulling through. She's talking. And she has an attorney who is asking questions about where the bullet that was lodged in her brain is located. And she is requesting outside agencies investigate.

I'm happy she's alive. :)

Oh, that's wonderful news. :) Wishing her a speedy recovery.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
One of my friends is pulling through. She's talking. And she has an attorney who is asking questions about where the bullet that was lodged in her brain is located. And she is requesting outside agencies investigate.

I'm happy she's alive. :)
I haven't been paying attention.
Who shot her?
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
I haven't been paying attention.
Who shot her?

That can't be confirmed. Gunshots were fired, and she was walking back to her car. She felt herself hitting the ground when she knew something wasn't quite right. Then somebody said to her, "Oh my god, you've been shot in the head." She was carried to the local medical center, where an ambulance picked her up.

People around her have their suspicions, but nobody's talking. We do know the PD arrived to claim the bullet. Nobody knows if they took it back to the department as evidence or not. Either way, there is no police report filed on the shooting.

I'm glad she has an attorney. She's not in good shape. She'll have a long road to recovery, but she has an advocate.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Albers told the chief he was sick to his stomach and "should have known better," Jimenez said. He has been placed on indefinite, unpaid suspension from the force while an investigation is underway.
We can all agree that he should'a known better.
The problem is that he didn't.

Perhaps they need extensive training (virtual reality?)
to maintain professionalism under such stress.
 

Wirey

Fartist
He's been dismissed with unpaid leave, from my understanding.

He should face the slammer. Having more authority should automatically require more responsibility. But what do you expect from some slimeball who could only feel like a man by getting a job that included a hip-mounted phallic extension?
 
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