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Few reasons why Muslims should not celebrate "New Year"

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
These are conceptual stories that happened long time back!

How does it matter now, unless you want to be stuck in conceptual boxes divorced from reality ! It is very similar to insanity and madness.

The only that matters is the living present moment, not the dead past !
The problem is that once one accepts the possibility of letting go of traditions from centuries ago in order to achieve practical, religious advancement today there is not a whole lot left to sustain Islaamic doctrine.

And while you may not be aware of that, the divergence regarding the relative importance of Aisha and Ali (and his wife, sons and descendants) is of utmost significance regarding the Shia / Sunni split - a split that has brought great sorrow, shame and loss for Muslims for some 14 centuries now, and one that, to this day, very few Muslims can either ignore or accept.
 

Shia Islam

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt a.s.
Premium Member
We only reject innovations in religion and worship.

The problem with the Slafi/Wahhabi Islam is that they don't know what Innovation is...

Before, talking about Islamic laws..you need to believe in the Imams after the prophet who know what islam laws are..

Look how you missed the way..

You have innovated a Congregational Prayer called the Taraweeh...
Which is a manifest Bidaa..

And yet you define what is not Bidaa as Bidaa...

You have even claimed that God has a body...and Some of you have even talked about the "Tail" of the God..
 
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Jumi

Well-Known Member
Not really the subject of the thread, but Trinitarianism is central to 90%+ Christians.
I might be wrong, but I suggest that many more don't even think about it even if they talked about father, son and holy ghost. They still mostly talk about God or Jesus separately.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I might be wrong, but I suggest that many more don't even think about it even if they talked about father, son and holy ghost. They still mostly talk about God or Jesus separately.

I was making a point of theological belief not really the topic of the thread. Theological differences are not the point brought up by the original post.

The criticism of the original post and later posts of the West was selective, totally unbalanced and over the top when considering the problems of violence in Islam both internally and externally.

Neither are the differences between Sunni and ****e divisions of Islam.
 
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sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
This thread is providing excellent witness to the toxic nature of self-proclaimed orthodox Islam. Please continue.
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Christianity is not all about trinitarianism.
You are absolutely right, but placing partners alongside GOD will cost them dearly when they return for judgement. Hence the clear warning in 5:73.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
You are absolutely right, but placing partners alongside GOD will cost them dearly when they return for judgement.
I've heard from Muslims here that they believe angels were part of creating the world. Is that not true?

I believe that if people believe that Satan exists like many think it does, they are already not really monotheist.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
You are absolutely right, but placing partners alongside GOD will cost them dearly when they return for judgement. Hence the clear warning in 5:73.
What is meant by placement of a partner alongside God exactly?

And if it is something that can be done by humans, do you have any ideas about why God would make that possible if it so displeases Him?
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I've heard from Muslims here that they believe angels were part of creating the world. Is that not true?
They carried out the Commandments of GOD. No Muslim would worship them and to do so would remove one from Islam.

I believe that if people believe that Satan exists like many think it does, they are already not really monotheist.
Why do you say that? Muslims believe in Satan, and are told he has no power over us, as all he can do is whisper into the hearts and minds of mankind.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Worshipping anyone or thing other than GOD.
That is kind of vague (what does constitute worship anyway?), and it is rather weird that a true God would find that a bother in any case.


Mankind has free will.

Does it? That concept seems to have no meaning at all, and to only have usefulness as an attempt at answering why a supposedly all-powerful God is presumably so limited.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Well thats your own choice. If you hate what God has revealed than you shall be punished in the hereafter.

And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. 35:18 Qur'an
That is quite the interesting statement under these circunstances.

For one thing, it shows considerable recklessness from you. You regard the Qur`an as perfect truth and that text says that the Torah was a true revelation from God, yet you see fit to call one filth while daring those who reply in kind to fear "afterlife punishment".

As theologies go, I find that one rather sorry and unconvincing.

And then there is this 35:18 Qur'an that you just quoted. Not exactly typical of good religious teaching, particularly by the parameters expected of a tradition that acknowledges Ibrahim and Yeshua as prophets, don't you think?
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
They carried out the Commandments of GOD. No Muslim would worship them and to do so would remove one from Islam.
Worship means respect. If you respect the master, do you ignore the servant or treat them like air? I don't see proof of angels existing, but if I did they would be worthy of respect.

Why do you say that? Muslims believe in Satan, and are told he has no power over us, as all he can do is whisper into the hearts and minds of mankind.
If Satan exists in the way that many think, it's a powerful being, a god with earthly power. To me believing in that is clear polytheism, whether they worship it or not. There's only one God, no other gods or Satans.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
1.) As Muslims we have our own Hijri calendar, we must reject gregorian calendar because it is not from Islam. The gregorian calendar was made by Pope Gregory (a pagan worshipper). According to our hijri calendar the new year actually begins on the first of Muharram.

2.) On such a day majority of people listen to music, drink alcohol and commit adultery.
This is a great evil and a Muslim should stay away from such things.

3.) It is against the spirit of Islam.

4.) What exactly is there to celebrate?
Thousands of Muslims are dying and starving to death in Africa, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq...etc and you want to enjoy your life?

Let them eat and enjoy themselves and be diverted by [false] hope, for they are going to know. 15:3

I believe the jury would be out on Pope Gregory XIII. Nothing in Wikipedia suggests he was either pagan or Christian. It appears he was a lawyer before being called upon by the Church of Rome and then he was a political appointee and elected Pope which can have as much to do with politics as spirituality.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
As I said in another thread, it's an arbitrary calendar update. Celebrate it (or don't) whenever and however you'd like. It's not like the world will explode if you do this your own way.

I believe people who insist on doing mundane things their own way are selfish. If I were in Isreal I would be happy to celebrate the Rosh holiday and if I were in Saudi Arabia I wouldn't have any problem celebrating holy days there either.
 
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