Fight between the gods

[Sheldon]

Not true. "Skilled" or "reliable" arent synonyms for "rational" or "objective". And when it comes down to it, we can make any claims we like.

Well it would of course depend what you mean by reliable, but in terms of reasoning logic is manifestly reliable, thus your claim that reliable is not synonymous with rational, seems flawed.

 

[Sheldon]

F1fan said: ↑
How do we determine a true claim or statement from false if we have no rational mind?

We pretty much just have to wing it with the equipment we have. Sometimes it works out, sometimes not.

Well whilst anyone can do this, and many do this, since logic is counter intuitive, the idea that random guessing or "winging it" as you put it, is more reliable than logic, for validating beliefs is demonstrably wrong.

Humans didn't create logic for fun, or to prove how clever they were, or to validate subjective beliefs, they did it because the method was demonstrably more efficacious in objectively validating claims and beliefs, That's why irrational has become synonymous with weak arguments, since irrational simply means not in accordance with the principles of logic.

 

[Sheldon]

F1fan said: ↑
We observe people making valid conclusions based on evidence quite often.

That's a subjective opinion.

Not even remotely true, do you just ignore your doctor when they say your blood pressure is through the roof?

 

[Sheldon]

F1fan said: ↑
We see friends and family make rational decisions, like if they have a health problem they make a doctor appointment.

Suuuuuuuubjective.

Ok this is a windup right? So you ignore whatever doctors tell you, as if they are simply offering a subjective opinion, seriously?

 

[Quagmire]

Ok this is a windup right? So you ignore whatever doctors tell you, as if they are simply offering a subjective opining. seriously?

If you're going to sit there and answer your own questions I'm just going to sit here and watch.

Seriously.

 

[Sheldon]

Whether or not something is valid is also subjective.

Oh I see, this is one of those, everything is subjective thus all claims are equally valid arguments? So is the claim I can make myself invisible and fly to the moon, but no one can detect it, equally as true as the claim the world is not flat?

 

[Quagmire]

Oh I see, this is one of those, everything is subjective thus all claims are equally valid arguments? So is the claim I can make myself invisible and fly to the moon, but no one can detect it, equally as true as the claim the world is not flat?

And he's still arguing with himself.

Please, proceed. It's fun to watch.

 

[Sheldon]

If you're going to sit there and answer your own questions I'm just going to sit here and watch.

Seriously.

Well I can only deal with the arguments made, and yes it answers itself, because the notion that all claims are subjective is absurdly facile. IF that's what you were claiming?

 

[Viker]

Oh I see, this is one of those, everything is subjective thus all claims are equally valid arguments? So is the claim I can make myself invisible and fly to the moon, but no one can detect it, equally as true as the claim the world is not flat?

Sometimes, yes. Depends on the imbibition.

 

[Sheldon]

And he's still arguing with himself.

Please, proceed. It's fun to watch.

Great, no law against having fun, now are you claiming all beliefs, claims and assertions are subjective? Only this implies they are equally so, which is manifestly absurd.

 

[Sheldon]

Sometimes, yes. Depends on the imbibition.

How so?

 

[Quagmire]

Well I can only deal with the arguments made,

That's not true at all. You also seem pretty good at dealing with arguments that nobody made.

 

[JustGeorge]

So is the claim I can make myself invisible and fly to the moon, but no one can detect it

That's really cool! How did you learn to do that?

 

[Viker]

How so?

I've taken to humor in this thread, now. Sorry you missed it. But drink up! What ever you like.

 

[Sheldon]

the question is "do gods fight"

if they do fight then one of them wins.
one which wins is god because it's superior.
one which loses is inferior and therefore not god.
therefore only one is god.

Well logically the notion any omnipotent deity could be fought or harmed, is a logical contradiction, beyond that since deities are imagined, anything can be imagined.

 

[Sheldon]

That's really cool!

Thanks, I can edit posts to remove context as well look.

 

[Sheldon]

Do gods play chess, football?

What objective evidence can you demonstrate that any deity is even possible?

A horse will always struggle to push a cart.

 

[Sheldon]

I've taken to humor in this thread, now. Sorry you missed it. But drink up! What ever you like.

I'm late to the party, but levity is something I always enjoy. Well, when I understand it anyway.

 

[Sheldon]

There are no rational or objective minds known to exist.

Though there are minds that created methods for, and aspire to, rationality and objectivity, wouldn't you agree?

 

[JustGeorge]

Thanks, I can edit posts to remove context as well look.

I did it for convenience more so than any kind of trickery(shorter material to read through), but whatever works for you.

So. Just tell me how you do that moon trick. We can fly up there, and see whether the world is round, flat... or maybe even triangular!

It'll be fun!