Wildswanderer
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The same goes for science texts. Lots of opinions involved there, especially in regards to the past.
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The difference is that the scientific views are tested, often with the specific view to showing when and how they are wrong.
It isn't a matter of faith.
Wildswanderer
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Actually we are encouraged to test and see if God does as he promised.
"Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the Lord of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need."
But not to test him as in trying to get him to jump through hoops for us. But when he passes the test of blessing us for obedience it's easy to trust him to do what is best regardless.
Those who have tested and seen that God is real and good have no interest in a world view that says they are just intelligent animals. It becomes laughable... but sad that so many people accept such nonsense.
How is that a failure? Science refuses to answer those questions that cannot be tested. That is a success, not a failure.
YOU are the one assuming that 'something came from nothing'. Science would say that there has always been something (at least as long as it makes sense to say there is something).
And what sort of answer *could* answer why there are rules of behavior for things in the real world? Well, things have properties and those properties dictate how they interact. Why do they have properties? That is a question for which there *cannot* be an answer.
And, I would point out, religion also does not answer why there is something rather than nothing.
Because we are great apes with a society based on hierarchy.
And I did test. The test failed. That is one of the many reasons I don't believe.
I did the test described in the Bible: open the mind and see if anything is out there. I only found myself.
So the test failed.
And I would say that those are the people that manage to delude themselves into believing what they are told by others.
Humans *are* a type of animal. To deny reality doesn't help your cause.
Wildswanderer
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That's not an answer to why we believe in gods.
Yes, it actually is. We create fictional rulers.
Wildswanderer
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You are more than a mind. You have an undying soul.
Prove it. For that matter, define it first.
Subduction Zone
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Exactly how are you supposed to test God? A proper test by the way not only confirms, to be a proper test it must also have a chance of refuting. So what is the proper test that could confirm or refute God? I have never heard of one. All I have heard of are tests where if the person fails they blame the person and not God. That test only produces confirmation bais.
You claim that God can be tested, please give us clear directions on how.
Wildswanderer
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Really? Who does that? Do I decide to believe I'm ruled by some human who doesn't exist?
I don't know anyone that does that, unless they are mentally unstable, but 96 percent of the population, including very intelligent people believe in gods.
Really? What evidence do you have for such? I have seen none.
For that matter, what do you even mean by a 'soul'? be specific.
I believe that you are ruled by a fictional deity.
What is the difference? They create a deity to match their moral system. Then they believe everyone else's deity is evil.
Sounds made up to me.
Wildswanderer
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Read your Bible and do what it says. Love others and give freely and it will be returned to you... more than you gave.
Even some other religions understand that this works
Wildswanderer
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The difference is that God exists.
OK, give one test that, if it comes out in a way different than what you expect, will convince you there is no God.
Alternatively, give a test that will at least show you are mistaken about your beliefs about the properties of God.
Wildswanderer
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I already explained that science itself shows we are more than our minds. You ignored it.
Sure. The Bible has some wisdom it picked up from other places and a lot of really bad ideas.
That in no way proves there is a God.
yes, I know that is your belief. But why should anyone else believe that? What *evidence* do you have to back up that belief? What *test* do you propose that, if you are wrong, would show you are wrong?
No, you did not. You didn't understand what the science actually said. Instead, you read in your beliefs (it's called confirmation bias).
Here's an idea: go and actually learn what the science says. Not from a tabloid or a religious tract, but from an actual science textbook.
because from what I have seen, you don't understand what science actually says.