First cause of the universe.

[ppp]

If I gave freely and God failed to supply my basic needs it would be reason to doubt his promises.

Therefore the millions who have given freely, then failed to have their basic needs met should not believe in your god.

Did they do it trusting God or themselves?

Trusting God.

 

[Audie]

It matters to God. He doesn't bless wrong motives no matter what their actions are.

Theists know a lot about god, except how to
show it exists

 

[Audie]

That's true. You can't understand Spirit inspired material without the Spirit.

That there spirit sure outta make up its mind
about what the " material" actually says.

 

[Wildswanderer]

That there spirit sure outta make up its mind
about what the " material" actually says.

Why don't you ask him?

 

[Audie]

Why don't you ask him?

Absolutely a killer knock down retort.

 

[Polymath257]

Why don't you ask him?

First establish existence. Then establish reliability. Then ask.

 

[Polymath257]

In other words you refuse to meet the conditions for the test to work.

Nope. I simply require it be a fair test.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's never failed me.

That is called confirmation bias. If you had a proper test it would not fail for anyone.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's true. You can't understand Spirit inspired material without the Spirit.

Then you are claiming that God is unjust and evil.

 

[Wildswanderer]

First establish existence. Then establish reliability. Then ask.

Why? Ask first and you will know the others.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Then you are claiming that God is unjust and evil.

Nope. He gives everyone the opportunity to listen to the Holy Spirit. Most don't choose to.

 

[Wildswanderer]

That is called confirmation bias. If you had a proper test it would not fail for anyone.

How would I know what it did for another? By what they said? How would I know if they were sincere? All we really know is what happens to us.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nope. He gives everyone the opportunity to listen to the Holy Spirit. Most don't choose to.

Sorry, but you claimed that God was immoral. Which one is it?

 

[Polymath257]

Why? Ask first and you will know the others.

You can't ask until you know the existence and you can't trust the answer until you have reliability.
Even if I ask and get an answer, that *at most* shows existence. And that assumes I haven't fooled myself.

The easiest person to fool is always yourself. That is what needs to be guarded against. So, don't run into situations prone to confirmation bias.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How would I know what it did for another? By what they said? How would I know if they were sincere? All we really know is what happens to us.

Because that is all that your faulty test produces.

You need to think rationally and try again.

What test could possibly refute the existence of your God?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Sorry, but you claimed that God was immoral. Which one is it?

You must have dreamed that.

 

[Polymath257]

Nope. He gives everyone the opportunity to listen to the Holy Spirit. Most don't choose to.

And many of those that do ask hear nothing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You must have dreamed that.

No, you made that claim. You do not realize how you made that claim.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You can't ask until you know the existence and you can't trust the answer until you have reliability.
Even if I ask and get an answer, that *at most* shows existence. And that assumes I haven't fooled myself.

The easiest person to fool is always yourself. That is what needs to be guarded against. So, don't run into situations prone to confirmation bias.

Oh come on don't be a wimp... jump off the Cliff.
You can't know if you don't take the leap into faith. This applies to so many things in life... You can never ever fall in love if you don't take the leap. Staying in the safe space is it sure way too stagnation.

 

[Wildswanderer]

No, you made that claim. You do not realize how you made that claim.

God granting knowledge to the saved about scripture is immoral? How?