Flat Earth in the Holy Bible!

[Kolibri]

Lets look at the point of reference in Isaiah 40:22 again. It is as if God was looking down on the earth. No matter what angle he looked down on it, the earth would appear to be a circle. Had it been a 2D object, from most angles it would look as an ellipse.

A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures, by B. Davidson is one reference that gives chugh an alternate meaning of sphere. No, I do not have a copy to give a direct quote.

 

[Bunyip]

Lets look at the point of reference in Isaiah 40:20 again. It is as if God was looking down on the earth. No matter what angle he looked down on it, the earth would appear to be a circle. Had it been a 2D object, from most angles it would look as an ellipse.

A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures, by B. Davidson is one reference that gives chugh an alternate meaning of sphere. No, I do not have a copy to give a direct quote.

Sure, just as a tube looks like a circle from the end - but is not a circle. The earth looks a little like a circle from up high, but isn't.

 

[Gerald Kelleher]

Sure, just as a tube looks like a circle from the end - but is not a circle. The earth looks a little like a circle from up high, but isn't.

There is no 'up high' or 'down low' or haven't you heard.

New atheists/old atheists are simply a consequence of the decision of denominational Christianity to jettison its astronomical heritage which in turn weakened the quality of people within the organization and eventually set up this science vs religion nightmare where neither science nor religion are practiced when it comes to astronomy and terrestrial sciences.

St Augustine's comments are not a cop-out, he simply says it takes a lot of subtle reasoning to discover why observations are the way they are and he focused on the spiritual side of Christianity but after the Galileo affair when they couldn't reconcile one component of astronomy with the other they set the groundwork for you guys and your reckless abandon.

Religious people are no less exempt from the problem for when your ideology exists where you can't even manage to state the facts of a round and rotating Earth there is no excuse for avoiding such a dire situation. No wonder you are content, you haven't seen a single objection from the Christians and have every reason to believe they have nothing of substance to say. Christ died because he was bigger than the prevailing hypocrisy and could show people that for all the outward show of pretense by authorities, God is found in the heart of things, even with every sunrise and sunset as the planet turns.

There are good people in the Church just as there are in science however their voices are nowhere to be heard.

 

[Bunyip]

There is no 'up high' or 'down low' or haven't you heard.

New atheists/old atheists are simply a consequence of the decision of denominational Christianity to jettison its astronomical heritage which in turn weakened the quality of people within the organization and eventually set up this science vs religion nightmare where neither science nor religion are practiced when it comes to astronomy and terrestrial sciences.

St Augustine's comments are not a cop-out, he simply says it takes a lot of subtle reasoning to discover why observations are the way they are and he focused on the spiritual side of Christianity but after the Galileo affair when they couldn't reconcile one component of astronomy with the other they set the groundwork for you guys and your reckless abandon.

Religious people are no less exempt from the problem for when your ideology exists where you can't even manage to state the facts of a round and rotating Earth there is no excuse for avoiding such a dire situation. No wonder you are content, you haven't seen a single objection from the Christians and have every reason to believe they have nothing of substance to say. Christ died because he was bigger than the prevailing hypocrisy and could show people that for all the outward show of pretense by authorities, God is found in the heart of things, even with every sunrise and sunset as the planet turns.

There are good people in the Church just as there are in science however their voices are nowhere to be heard.

How did we get to New Atheists? And yes there are many brilliant, honest and honorable Christrians. I would never suggest otherwise. Many brilliant Christians who are scientists also..
It was christian scientists who established the theory of evolution, the big bang and who discovered the great age of the earth.

 

[Gerald Kelleher]

How did we get to New Atheists? And yes there are many brilliant, honest and honorable Christrians. I would never suggest otherwise. Many brilliant Christians who are scientists also..
It was christian scientists who established the theory of evolution, the big bang and who discovered the great age of the earth.

Don't worry, I am not going to follow you down a semantic rabbit hole but I will let you know that you are a product of a judgment made centuries ago when Christianity dumped its astronomical heritage and set the stage for the empiricists who simply can't correlate a rotating Earth with a single 24 hour day like today.

Period of Rotation of the Earth

The only thing going for you is that the Christians themselves don't want to know as it looks like too much effort . If it was something complicated I could understand but in this dystopian society,at least where astronomy and terrestrial sciences such as geology and climate are involved, the most basic facts surrounding a round and rotating Earth do not survive.

There is a coldness or heartlessness attached the silence because where once astronomical research once sat neatly inside Christianity it is now unrecognizable and toxic. The Christians don't want to know it ,not even when they follow you guys as you conjure up some of the dumbest notions the world has ever seen.

 

[TashaN]

Sure, Isaiah 40:22. The word for ball is never used in that context, although it does appear elsewhere in the bible (Isaiah 22:18).
Dur can refer to either circles or spheres, but chug refers specifically to a circle.

Thank you. This is really interesting.

 

[Midget01]

Hi,

Does the bible mention that earth is flat? please provide the verse if it was mentioned.

By the way, i hope you won't go on the defense. I know many people mock Christianity for believing that earth is flat but i'm asking this because i'm really considering it might actually be correct.

So, i hope you will answer me based on the bible, not what you personally believe in.

Thank you.

while I am no expert it would seem that this Idea is a historical one and not a religious one. But it was connected to the Church because all of the early astronomers were of Catholic Faith and many of them were priests or monks. So because of this one might then feel that the Bible might speak of this. But if you look in many bibles they usually draw a picture of the relationship of Heaven/ Hell and the earth itself as though it is flat with a globe like top over it. since Galileo's time many views have changed and altered due to the findings and support of the early Catholic Scientists. This is Science and Pschology began with the early men of the cloth trying to prove tot he world that God existed. I don't believe they doubted but I think they wanted proof for their followers. They were inquisitive men. Today it appears that these men have become labeled Scientist and since they can't prove He does exist they appear to be trying to prove He doesn't exist. They have not been totally successful at either because it seems to boil down to faith you believe or you don't. The evidence is in front of us but many don't see.

 

[fiat lux]

Hi,

Does the bible mention that earth is flat? please provide the verse if it was mentioned.

By the way, i hope you won't go on the defense. I know many people mock Christianity for believing that earth is flat but i'm asking this because i'm really considering it might actually be correct.

So, i hope you will answer me based on the bible, not what you personally believe in.

Thank you.

No, but the Koran does; 20:53, 'He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out..........'

 

[leibowde84]

This will turn into a debate if I keep going, but I will say one last thing: What seems apparent may not actually be apparent. And assumptions can be correct but they can just as easily be wrong. We have no idea what the authors of Bible were thinking of, we have no idea what was lost in translation from the Hebrew and The ancient Greek originals.

Seeing how most people at that time and in that locaiton thought that the world was flat, plus the evidence (albeit not difinitive) should lead one to think that there is absolutely no reason to think the authors did not think the world was flat. All in all, it really doesn't effect the spirit of the teachings so ... who cares?

 

[TashaN]

No, but the Koran does; 20:53, 'He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out..........'

Muslim scholars interpreted this verse in a different way, but i'm personally keeping an open mind, lol.

 

[TashaN]

While i agree it's a religious book, not a geography nor scientific book, but still, when God created earth, it's not mentioned whether he created it as a sphere, circle, flat, etc?

 

[TashaN]

Another thing which could be related, did the bible mention whether earth rotate around the sun or the other way around?

 

[fiat lux]

Muslim scholars interpreted this verse in a different way, but i'm personally keeping an open mind, lol.

Well, they would wouldn't they? but I somehow don't see the analogy of 'spreading out a carpet' as fitting to the surface of a sphere, which begs the questions that maybe either god got it wrong, or his words were not so accurately recorded after all.

 

[Kolibri]

Another thing which could be related, did the bible mention whether earth rotate around the sun or the other way around?

Often the Bible be written from the point of view of a man standing on it. So to him the sun would rise and the sun would set. (Ecc 1:5) That does not mean it was inaccurate because it is a geographical point of view. 4 corners too...one can only go so far north, south, east, west. Even when applied to a sphere there is only so far you can go before it stops being north-going. But that wasn't the point. What is, it that the Bible was written for man by human secretaries. Turns of a phrase common to human speech were used to express a thought, and with some of the books being written in poetic prose, they symbolisms of figurative speech come out more often than not. However, I do not think that this prevents us from seeing it agree with science when the POW shifts as it did in Job 26:7 and Isaiah 40:22

 

[knghtkings]

In studying the Bible Good sources are Job, Genesis, and Revelation
It says the earth was basicily flat till the flood when the water within the earth lept forth cause great upheaval/
Before the Flood there was only one land mass at the end of Revelation when Jesus sets up his kingdom the earth will have reverted back to that stage except it will not have the umbrella effect with water as a filter between the earth and the sun.. It don't actually say this but you can deduct it from what Jesus said, He said, or it was recorded; that each nation will have to come to Jerusalem and those that don't will have the rain with-held from that nation. So while before the flood it never rained/snowed it will during the Kingdom Stage after Revelation. and the great Tribulation. which is rapidly approaching us this will be a time of total chaos
The first 3 1/2 years will be mild in comparison with the 2nd half, If Fact, Jesus states He could not wait the full 7 years as there would of been no life left on earth. this is because the Jews rejected their Messiah so at some point during his ministry the clock stopped for the Jews and the 7 year Tribulation is still owed to the Jews The tribulation really has nothing to do with the Gentiles. The Religious leaders in Jesus time were well aware of Who Jesus was (although they never expected God himself would be their Messiah) . at the return of Jesus that ends the "Great Tribulation" Jesus will descend in brilliant light. as The bible states sometime before the end of the 7 years the whole earth is plunged into total darkness no sunlight, no moonlight and no starlight It will be an unnatural darkness. Suddenly the sky will light up and all Jews shall look up upon Him in Belief Him whom they had pierced 2000 years ago. And Jesus shall return to the earth exactly the same way he Departed. from Mount Olive, but as Jesus foot touched the soil this mount will split into 2 mounts creating a valley between which they are to flee for their lives, not to stop for anything, Jerusalem will be about 3/5 beaten and then Jesus goes to work with His escourt "The Bride of Christ' all saved believers

 

[leibowde84]

In studying the Bible Good sources are Job, Genesis, and Revelation
It says the earth was basicily flat till the flood when the water within the earth lept forth cause great upheaval/
Before the Flood there was only one land mass at the end of Revelation when Jesus sets up his kingdom the earth will have reverted back to that stage except it will not have the umbrella effect with water as a filter between the earth and the sun.. It don't actually say this but you can deduct it from what Jesus said, He said, or it was recorded; that each nation will have to come to Jerusalem and those that don't will have the rain with-held from that nation. So while before the flood it never rained/snowed it will during the Kingdom Stage after Revelation. and the great Tribulation. which is rapidly approaching us this will be a time of total chaos
The first 3 1/2 years will be mild in comparison with the 2nd half, If Fact, Jesus states He could not wait the full 7 years as there would of been no life left on earth. this is because the Jews rejected their Messiah so at some point during his ministry the clock stopped for the Jews and the 7 year Tribulation is still owed to the Jews The tribulation really has nothing to do with the Gentiles. The Religious leaders in Jesus time were well aware of Who Jesus was (although they never expected God himself would be their Messiah) . at the return of Jesus that ends the "Great Tribulation" Jesus will descend in brilliant light. as The bible states sometime before the end of the 7 years the whole earth is plunged into total darkness no sunlight, no moonlight and no starlight It will be an unnatural darkness. Suddenly the sky will light up and all Jews shall look up upon Him in Belief Him whom they had pierced 2000 years ago. And Jesus shall return to the earth exactly the same way he Departed. from Mount Olive, but as Jesus foot touched the soil this mount will split into 2 mounts creating a valley between which they are to flee for their lives, not to stop for anything, Jerusalem will be about 3/5 beaten and then Jesus goes to work with His escourt "The Bride of Christ' all saved believers

Do you actually think this is accurate, or are you just stating what the Bible claims according to your interpretation? Just curious, as if you actually do believe that these claims are accurate, I would love to discuss your reasoning. Thanks.

 

[Kolibri]

It says the earth was basicily flat till the flood when the water within the earth lept forth cause great upheaval/

?

So many things you reference that I am familiar with but with such different interpretations. I will only comment on a bit of it here. The Bible never said that the Deluge came from waters underneath.
In the chronological creation account Day 2 describes a separation of waters above and below the expanse that we would today call sky. (Ge 1:6-8) The water that fell in Noah's day would be a relocation of the waters above the expanse back to the surface of the planet - where it stayed.

Also when dealing with Revelations we have to remember it is given in signs (Re 1:1) Floods are linked in scriptures to denote armies, so this part does not have to be talking about literal water. (Isa 8:7,8)

 

[fiat lux]

 

[TG123456]

Hi,

Does the bible mention that earth is flat? please provide the verse if it was mentioned.

By the way, i hope you won't go on the defense. I know many people mock Christianity for believing that earth is flat but i'm asking this because i'm really considering it might actually be correct.

So, i hope you will answer me based on the bible, not what you personally believe in.

Thank you.

I think that some parts of the Bible reveal a mistaken belief in the existence of a flat earth... the verse about it being a circle being a point in fact. I don't think all the books in the Bible say that, but at least one of them, the Book of Job, seems to.

 

[Bunyip]

Don't worry, I am not going to follow you down a semantic rabbit hole but I will let you know that you are a product of a judgment made centuries ago when Christianity dumped its astronomical heritage and set the stage for the empiricists who simply can't correlate a rotating Earth with a single 24 hour day like today.

Period of Rotation of the Earth

The only thing going for you is that the Christians themselves don't want to know as it looks like too much effort . If it was something complicated I could understand but in this dystopian society,at least where astronomy and terrestrial sciences such as geology and climate are involved, the most basic facts surrounding a round and rotating Earth do not survive.

There is a coldness or heartlessness attached the silence because where once astronomical research once sat neatly inside Christianity it is now unrecognizable and toxic. The Christians don't want to know it ,not even when they follow you guys as you conjure up some of the dumbest notions the world has ever seen.

Sorry, mate but that reads like paranoid gibberish.