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Everyone here can see how frustrated you have become to be attacking my ability to write in English because you cannot answer my questions.
No one is certain about anything written. Only Oberon. Relevant texts of human opinions!
All opinions being built up from other opinions. There is nothing new under the sun. What we find today, it has been before. Then, you build your opinion on other people's opinions.
NT! Look at him! The NT was written by Hellenistic Gentiles with a very poor knowledge of Jewish culture and customs. What kind of opinion you can build on such dunghill?
What you have read is only the rumination of other people, who perhaps knew even less than you do.
And what is all that you have mentioned above if not the opinons of other people? Stop the cop-out man! There is nothing original.
Here, more insults and attacks from someone who is too frustrated for not knowing how to answer questions put to him.
Oberon, why have you ignored this post? Don't you think what Ben has to say is important?
No. He has no idea what he's talking about, knows virtually nothing about the subject, and thinks that all opinions, whether informed or not, are equal. Hence, nothing he says is at all important.Don't you think what Ben has to say is important?
Some examples...
Online Companion: Marriage
Funerary altar in marble dedicated to Primigenia and Diogenes, probably freedpersons, who had lived together 47 years, by their freedpersons and slaves (inscription). The opulent reliefs echo Augustan monuments: garlands, birds, ram's heads, eagle (side 1 with traditional jug for libations; side 2 with patera). Julio-Claudian period (14-68 CE). New York: Metropolitan Museum of Art.
Funeral Stele for Dasumia Soteris whose long and harmonious life of 35 years with her husband Lucius Dasumius Callistus, the dedicator, is inscribed on the stone, along with his regret to have outlived her. The upper figured relief, probably of the couple, has been broken off and is lost; the space at the bottom was probably intended for his epitaph. (CIL VI.16753). Rome, 2nd century CE. London: British Museum.
Funerary tablet for Severa Seleuciane and her husband Aurelius Sabutius who had lived together for 17 years before the death 10 years earlier of one of them. In the upper corner is a drawing of a shuttle and upright loom, symbols of her traditional virtue as a materfamilias or a sign of their trade as weavers. The inscription in irregular letters rather confusingly dates their deaths by the consulships of the emperors Probus Augustus and Nonius Paternus. The first words of the troubled inscription (cum cumvixit) are redundant. The dedicator of the marble tablet is unnamed. 279 CE (Gordon III.302). Rome, Capitoline Museums.
Of course he did, we'll just pretend that we never read that.
There is a big difference between ideas such as concordia in rome and banning divorce. Yes, previously there was emphasis placed on especially the duty of a woman to remain with her husband for life. And there are restrictions found in ancient history on divorce. But the banning of divorce is unique to Jesus. Philo and Jospheus both agree that the husband may divorce his wife for any reason. Divorce is taken as a given in Deut. 24:1-4, and hardly mentioned elsewhere in Jewish literature. It exists all throughout greek and roman law.
There is a big difference between ideas such as concordia in rome and banning divorce. Yes, previously there was emphasis placed on especially the duty of a woman to remain with her husband for life. And there are restrictions found in ancient history on divorce. But the banning of divorce is unique to Jesus. Philo and Jospheus both agree that the husband may divorce his wife for any reason. Divorce is taken as a given in Deut. 24:1-4, and hardly mentioned elsewhere in Jewish literature. It exists all throughout greek and roman law.
According to the bible, Jesus was involved in about 40 different miracles:
*[quote He was born to a virgin.
Walked on water.
* Raised Lazarus from the dead.
Fed 5,000 with a few loaves and fishes.
Cured blindness with spit.
Chased demons into pigs.
Rose from the dead.
Ascended into heaven
Clearly we are dealing with a mythical character here, and it doesn't matter whether or not Flavius Josephus (or any other historian) believed that Jesus existed...he is still a myth.
Using Augustus Caesar as an example goes to show how little Oberon understands historical context. In the case of Augustus, the myth associated with him is a side show, in the case of Jesus, the myth is the show, it's all we have.
Clearly we are dealy with someone who has never studied ancient history. Do you believe Augustus Caesar was a myth? He was said to be born of a god via a virgin birth too. Socrates was visited by a spiritual advisor. Pythagoras was credited with miracles. Plenty of historical people throughout history have been credited with miracles, and myths have grown around them and others. The presence of clearly ahistorical data in the historical record does not make it worthless. Prior to the modern era, history was written and understood differently.
According to the bible, Jesus was involved in about 40 different miracles:
* He was born to a virgin.
* Walked on water.
* Raised Lazarus from the dead.
* Fed 5,000 with a few loaves and fishes.
* Cured blindness with spit.
* Chased demons into pigs.
* Rose from the dead.
* Ascended into heaven
* etcetera
Clearly we are dealing with a mythical character here, and it doesn't matter whether or not Flavius Josephus (or any other historian) believed that Jesus existed...he is still a myth.
Julius Caesar was an ordinary human being.
He fought a few battles, gained control of an Empire and then got stabbed in the back. No reason to assume that such a character didn't exist.
Jesus Christ is a whole different story - Son of God and miracles galore. Totally unbelievable.