Flood Evidences — revised

[Kangaroo Feathers]

If there was a short ice age following the flood it makes sense.

Warm oceans in a cooling planet would result in a lot of snow producing an ice a

That's it, make as many unsupported ad hoc claims as necessary

 

[calm]

@Hockeycowboy
Why God brought the Flood is explained in the Book of Enoch.
The trigger was the fallen angels who mingled with the human women and thus begat giants called Nephilim. These giants were very violent, they have tyrannized humans in the worst way possible. It got even worse when the food on earth became scarce, because from then on the giants began to hunt and eat the people. In this terrible time the humans began to scream for help. The cries were so strong and loud that they reached the gates of heaven, the archangels Gabriel, Michael, Raphael... who heard the cries brought the case to God. And God answered:
Enoch 10:1
1 Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, 2 and said to him: 'Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come 3 upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape 4 and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.'

The angels who mixed with the human women were sent to hell where they have to stay until the day of judgment because they were the triggers for everything. (Peter quotes this passage from the book of Enoch 2 Peter 2:4 )
The spirits of the dead giants could not go to the realm of the dead like humans, because they are not only 100% humans but also 100% angels. The spirits of the dead giants remained on earth, they are the ones we call "demons" today:
Enoch 15:8
8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits(Angel) and flesh(human), shall be called evil spirits(demons) upon 9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; 10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. 11 As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh boy, "revised" just means a Gish Gallop of already refuted claims.

Thanks for the evidence that there was no flood.

To anyone honest out there I will gladly discuss these properly. That means one at a time using links that are at the very least based upon peer reviewed articles.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, why would you claim that water entering from space would be boiling hot?

Gravity.

Simply because you think that if any particle enter from outer space into the atmosphere, it would burn due to friction travelling at 25 000 to 160 000 Miles per hour.
In this scenario, I agree.
But this is not what we are talking about at all.
The snowball dust that fell onto the earth was "Part" of the atmosphere!
We are talking of matter that were turning with the velocity of the earth at a height of about 150Km to 300 Km.
itself be at a temperature of minus 170 to 250 deg celcius.
All that actually happened was that a lot of hail fell on the Earth, and if there was any friction, it was cooled down to water temperature.

Nope, the atmosphere cannot support endless snow. If you want the water from outer space you have to deal with the physics.

 

[ChristineM]

Global Flood evidence:

***1.Vast herds of grazing animals, perhaps millions of them, discovered within the permafrost (called muck fields by some, due to the mud mixed in from previous melting), in the Alaskan and Yukon regions. In the Siberian permafrost, a few have been discovered upright, with food (some which only grows in temperate climates) discovered still unchewed in their mouths, like the Berezovka Mammoth. (They died instantly, not from a slow-moving ice age!)

http://www.amendez.com/Noahs Ark Articles/NAS Worldwide Mammal Massacre.pdf

The question is raised — and properly so: “How could a Global Flood cause such freezing temperatures?” Keep in mind, some of the water (not most...most were from the “vast springs” underneath the ground) came from above, from the atmosphere....the troposphere?...the mesosphere?...the stratosphere? The Bible doesn’t say, it is silent. (Maybe from all five.) But the waters existing above the Earth prior to the Flood, resulted in mild temperatures, and pleasantly warm.... similar to a greenhouse effect, worldwide. (That’s why Adam & Eve could go naked, and be very comfortable.) Yes, the Bible indicates there were seasons, but apparently mild ones.

All of that drastically changed, with the break in this vapor(?) / ice (?) canopy! Temperatures would drop suddenly!

***2.This project, completed by physics students of the University of Leicester, provides an interesting conclusion:
‘Noah’s Ark would have floated’.

And this one:
Could Noah’s Ark Float? In Theory, Yes | Science | Smithsonian

Further information:
Noah’s Ark was the focus of a major 1993 scientific study headed by Dr. Seon Hong at the world-class ship research center KRISO, based in Daejeon, South Korea. Dr. Hong’s team compared twelve hulls of different proportions to discover which design was most practical. No hull shape was found to significantly outperform the 4,300-year-old biblical design. In fact, the Ark’s careful balance is easily lost if the proportions are modified, rendering the vessel either unstable, prone to fracture, or dangerously uncomfortable.
The research team found that the proportions of Noah’s Ark carefully balanced the conflicting demands of stability (resistance to capsizing), comfort (“seakeeping”), and strength. In fact, the Ark has the same proportions as a modern cargo ship.


The study also confirmed that the Ark could handle waves as high as 100 ft (30 m). Dr. Hong is now director general of the facility and claims “life came from the sea,” obviously not the words of a creationist on a mission to promote the worldwide Flood. Endorsing the seaworthiness of Noah’s Ark obviously did not damage Dr. Hong’s credibility.

Dr. Seon Won Hong was principal research scientist when he headed up the Noah’s Ark investigation. In May 2005 Dr. Hong was appointed director general of MOERI (formerly KRISO). Dr. Hong earned a B.S. degree in naval architecture from Seoul National University and a Ph.D. degree in applied mechanics from the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.

***3.Coupled with that, the dimensions of the Ark, a 6-to-1 ratio of length to width, and 10-to-1 ratio of length to height, are exactly what is needed for a non-powered vessel of that size to maintain stability! Only in the last 2 centuries have ship builders recognized that these proportions are perfect for non-powered barge-like ships to be seaworthy. This is powerful evidence supporting a literal interpretation: How could Moses have known, in recording the event, that Noah was given such ideal dimensions? Fortunate guessing?

***4.The numerous Flood legends (exceeding 250, one anthropologist says near 1,000), that share many similarities, some strikingly so, that indicates a common source.



***5.Furthermore, the Bible indicates, in Psalms 104, that the Flood was the cause of Earth’s mountains reaching such great heights. (With the underground waters spewing upward, the land would, by necessity, settle downward.) This would mean the high mountainous ranges we have today, like the Alps, the Himalayas, the Andes, and others, did not exist before the Flood; they are relatively young in formation. Some were even underwater prior to the Flood — see #6. (Not that the rocks are young, but that the features they form, are new, geologically speaking. What do we see? We observe crisp, well-defined features! If these mountains were millions of years old, we would see weathered, rounded features, due to the extreme wind and other erosion forces that they constantly endure. But we don’t! (This evidence is the easiest of all the geological facts to see...yet to me the most overlooked.)

***6.[related to #5]The marine creatures discovered on the tops of many mountain ranges, even on Mt. Everest — gigantic clams, some measuring 5 feet or more across, found in the closed position, indicating (again) that these creatures experienced a catastrophic event, leading to their quick death. (Clams in natural death, die w/ their shells open.) All remain exposed....if they’re millions of years old, why aren’t they eroded, also? Because these particular ones died at the Flood!!

***7.Where did all the water go? Apparently, it’s still here, at the Earth. If we again take into account what Psalms 104 reveals — that it was the Flood that caused our current topography, the very high mountains and low valleys, then the Earth’s terrain was somewhat smoother than now. (And Genesis tells us, the highest mountain was covered by around 22 ft. of the water.) It’s been determined that if the Earth was smoothed out like a billiard ball, the present water in all the ocean and lake basins would cover the planet to a depth of 2.5 miles! More than enough.....yet, scientists have discovered even more water in the Earth’s mantle, estimated to be almost 10 times as much as exists on our surface! So, that presents no obstacle!

***8.The Chinese character for "boat" comprises three radically different symbols: 'vessel', 'mouth' (representing a person), and the number ''8”. Why is this significant? Because there were 8 people who survived the Flood in the Ark. Some ancient Semitic person thought the Flood Event was worthy enough, to incorporate it into their language, helping others to remember the Chinese word for boat. They didn't have a Bible to get the idea from, and I doubt Moses knew any Chinese people, to get his writing from!

Are you of the mindset that, when reading about God causing a global Flood, you don’t think He’d use His power throughout other aspects of the event? Or afterwards? Let’s see what the Genesis account reveals: He brought the waters above and below to Earth’s surface....He gave Noah instructions on building the Ark, providing those ideal proportions....He brought the animals to Noah (No, Noah didn’t have to go get them, as some dishonestly purport.)....and He closed the door. Only those w/ closed minds would assume (want to, maybe?) that God’s power stopped there. Is He somehow incapable of protecting the occupants in the Ark, or the plant life underneath the waters? Does Jehovah God have to reveal / explain every aspect involved? If He brought the animal to Noah, is it too much of a stretch to believe that Jehovah redistributed them to their former locations after the Flood?

Jehovah God is not required to explain anything more to us....what we do know, the evidence, is enough to build faith in the account.

Another indirect line of evidence, as to why God would cause such a catastrophe, are the Greek, Roman, Hindu, Norse, etc., myths describing “gods” interacting w/ humans, having relations w/ women, and producing offspring. (Since most all myths have some kernel of truth, this common narrative between them, of gods having sex w/ human females & bearing children, must be it.) It parallels Genesis 6:1-4, and explains to some extent why Jehovah had to step in, to thwart the eventual subjugation of the human race into sex slavery. But these “myths” created after the event, have kept it living in the collective mind of the human race.

The make up of the solar system is pretty well known back to its formation, conditions you describe have never existed.

Also consider that around 80 times more water than has ever existed on earth would be required to flood the earth as described in the bible.

Fluid dynamics tells us that water flows down. The amount of water underground is relatively little compared to that above ground and in the atmosphere. If water is forced from underground it would not be that much and quickly find its level, much of it returning from whence it came.

The water from above you describe would need to fall at an average rate of more than 220 metres per day. Gravity and space insures that such an amount of water can not exist in any layer of earths atmosphere.

Then of course we have logistics. It is impossible to build vessel the size of the ark without using steel reinforced girders, steel was not invented at the time.

Also a minimum of 17.5 million animals from the smallest bacteria up to and including 7 blue whales had to be housed in the ark for over a year, where was the food stored and who did the mucking out?

Just a few points worth considering

 

[JJ50]

It is sad some people are so keen to try to prove the flood story, which has no credibility, to be factual.

 

[ChristineM]

Gravity.



Nope, the atmosphere cannot support endless snow. If you want the water from outer space you have to deal with the physics.

Liquid water boils away near in vacuum (and in space). The upper limits of our atmosphere are dry.

Ice does not boil but the closer to the sun it gets causes melting, c think comet trails.

When a chunk of ice hits our atmosphere it rapidly heats, melts and outer layers boil away. If the chunk is big enough it can reach earth. For the amount of ice required for a biblical flood think hundreds of thousands of Tunguska events with tens of thousands of K2 events thrown in.

Interesting times?

 

[ChristineM]

@Hockeycowboy
Why God brought the Flood is explained in the Book of Enoch.
The trigger was the fallen angels who mingled with the human women and thus begat giants called Nephilim. These giants were very violent, they have tyrannized humans in the worst way possible. It got even worse when the food on earth became scarce, because from then on the giants began to hunt and eat the people. In this terrible time the humans began to scream for help. The cries were so strong and loud that they reached the gates of heaven, the archangels Gabriel, Michael, Raphael... who heard the cries brought the case to God. And God answered:
Enoch 10:1
1 Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, 2 and said to him: 'Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come 3 upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape 4 and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.'

The angels who mixed with the human women were sent to hell where they have to stay until the day of judgment because they were the triggers for everything. (Peter quotes this passage from the book of Enoch 2 Peter 2:4 )
The spirits of the dead giants could not go to the realm of the dead like humans, because they are not only 100% humans but also 100% angels. The spirits of the dead giants remained on earth, they are the ones we call "demons" today:
Enoch 15:8
8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits(Angel) and flesh(human), shall be called evil spirits(demons) upon 9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; 10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. 11 As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.

Question, if said giants were so big and powerful and mean why did they not just storm the ark and eat Noah and his buddies Then while the waters were rising they could dine on any delicacy they desired, chosen freshly from the vast stock of food below decjs?

 

[sooda]

This one nevver fails to **** me off. "How could an ancient human living in a boat using culture POSSIBLY know the ratio dimensions of boats? It is truly evidence of divine intervention!"

No it isn't ****wit, it's evidence that the author of the Noah story looked at a ****ing boat.

Ancient Babylon provided a wide variety of ancient inventions that are still used today, including glazed bricks and the seeder plow.

Glazed bricks were used in ancient Babylon as a way to decorate temples and other buildings. Some of the bricks that have been excavated date back to the mid-1800s B.C.

The seeder plow was a major technological advancement by allowing farmers to seed and plow at the same time, which cut down on the time it took to start a garden.

The ancient Babylonians also developed writing, sanitation techniques and a variety of architectural designs including the dome, column and arch, and they were first to harness the power of the wind by using a sail to propel boats.
continued

https://www.reference.com/history/ancient-babylonian-inventions-ebc2afba8ee6a6f6

 

[SA Huguenot]

Allow me to show you your error.

The make up of the solar system is pretty well known back to its formation, conditions you describe have never existed.

I never described anything that are not recorded and published under peer review in the scientific world.
The Nebular Theory, still remains a theory, I agree, but if you take the time you will find howmany atheists would like to insert Laplace's Hadean epoch into the nebular theory, and there is simply no scientific support for that.

Also consider that around 80 times more water than has ever existed on earth would be required to flood the earth as described in the bible.

The reason why you say there should be about 80 times more water needed to flood the earth than what ever existed on the Earth, is because you are again listening to Biblical critisizers that do not want to accept their own science, but need to burn their own strawman.
This is the strawman of the atheist:
the Himilayas are 8 800 meters high. Now if the Bible say the highest mountian was covered with 15 meters water, immagine how much water this will take. Where did this water come from, and where did it go to.
Well, what they completely ignore is the fact that the Himilayas was not as high as now. If one again take the Nebular Theory, and common sense, the Earth was much rounder and fatter than today, mountains were much lower, and oceans much shalolower than what we observe today. All that the Bible, and Christians claim is that land and water simply displaced each other.
The oceans did not have as much water as now, but the water were pulled out of the atmosphere, and squashed from beneithe the surface of the earth in a catastrophy where land samk in, and other areas rose from the shallow oceans. This is actually what geology shows with marine fossils on the highest mountains, and oil beneath the oceans and coal beds deep below the surface of land.
Therefore, this story that we need such a lot of water for a flood is only whishfull thinking no one ever claimed, but silly Bible critisers.

Fluid dynamics tells us that water flows down. The amount of water underground is relatively little compared to that above ground and in the atmosphere. If water is forced from underground it would not be that much and quickly find its level, much of it returning from whence it came.

here again, you compare with what you see now with something no one is thinking at all, except of corse the Bible bashers.
I am not talking of current water rising from the earths surface, but water that was caught up in the earth's surface during it's formation from Ice and dirt during accretion, WHICH IS NOW IN THE OCEANS. The Earth was much wetter, even if you take the fact that the Bible describes a Mud ball earth on the beginning of the 3rd day, changing into Land and sea. Therefore, the Bible say the Earth was a very wet and soft entity. As gravity grew stronger in the earth's core, the surface "Squashed" this water out to its surface. Again if gravity increased, it would answer why the water in the earths' atmosphere were pulled to the Earth, and if there was a ring around the earth, which is also a scientific propability, it would also have fallen to the earth. this water would then fill up the spaces left where the surface of the Earth subdued and deep oceans were created.

The water from above you describe would need to fall at an average rate of more than 220 metres per day. Gravity and space insures that such an amount of water can not exist in any layer of earths atmosphere.

Again, the story of the 8 800 meters of water in circumfence of the earth is not what the Bible says. Therefore, this reasoning is not even to be considered. The straw puppet fell on its face.

Then of course we have logistics. It is impossible to build vessel the size of the ark without using steel reinforced girders, steel was not invented at the time.

I am not an engineer, and I know the ark was built with wood from trees that were at least 1500 years old. Again, if you demand that the Ark should be built from steel, you are actually building a strawpuppet, but this time from steel.

Also a minimum of 17.5 million animals from the smallest bacteria up to and including 7 blue whales had to be housed in the ark for over a year, where was the food stored and who did the mucking out?

Just a few points worth considering

Now, why would you even build this strawpuppet?
Do you realise you are actually displaying your bias and ignorance and are in defiance of your own logic?
Think...
Why would you perceive Noah to be so stupid as to load 7 of whales on a ship?

Think...
Whales...Water...Fish...Water...ship????
Noah never loaded any animal that did not breath through nostrils on the ark!
Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Therefore, fish, insects, amphybians, any marine animal, all these animals were not on the Ark.
Even your Bacteria and viruses were not needed to be saved! This is silly!
Now, how the heck did you get that Noah would have to load Whales on the ark?

Do you see how silly atheists can be?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The reason why you say there should be about 80 times more water needed to flood the earth than what ever existed on the Earth, is because you are again listening to Biblical critisizers that do not want to accept their own science, but need to burn their own strawman.
This is the strawman of the atheist:
the Himilayas are 8 800 meters high. Now if the Bible say the highest mountian was covered with 15 meters water, immagine how much water this will take. Where did this water come from, and where did it go to.
Well, what they completely ignore is the fact that the Himilayas was not as high as now. If one again take the Nebular Theory, and common sense, the Earth was much rounder and fatter than today, mountains were much lower, and oceans much shalolower than what we observe today. All that the Bible, and Christians claim is that land and water simply displaced each other.
The oceans did not have as much water as now, but the water were pulled out of the atmosphere, and squashed from beneithe the surface of the earth in a catastrophy where land samk in, and other areas rose from the shallow oceans. This is actually what geology shows with marine fossils on the highest mountains, and oill beneathe the oceans and coal beds deep beloe the surface of land.
Therefore, this story that we need such a lot of water for a flood is only whishfull thinking no one ever claimed, but silly Bible critisers.

I'll focus on this point first. When are you alleging "the Flood" happened? And how much lower are you claiming the Himalayas were at the time? How much water do YOU think was required to flood the whole Earth at the time of "the Flood"? Please show your working.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Do you realise you are actually displaying your bias and ignorance and are in defiance of your own logic?
Think...
Why would you perceive Noah to be so stupid as to load 7 of whales on a ship?

Think...
Whales...Water...Fish...Water...ship????
Noah never loaded any animal that did not breath through nostrils on the ark!
Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Therefore, fish, insects, amphybians, any marine animal, all these animals were not on the Ark.
Even your Bacteria and viruses were not needed to be saved! This is silly!
Now, how the heck did you get that Noah would have to load Whales on the ark?

Do you see how silly atheists can be?

So you're claiming the Bible's telling of the Noah story ISN'T literal? there goes the need to slavishly believe in a global flood then, huh?

There's another point, all this water that magically appeared, was it fresh or salt? Because most freshwater fish can't live in saltwater, and most saltwater fish can't live in freshwater. What magical, evidence free ad hoc claim do you use to get around the fact that "The Flood" should have killed all freshwater or saltwater fish? Not to mention amphibians can't live in saltwater, and many marine mammals breath through nostrils.

Your sloppy ad hoc rationalisations generate more questions than they solve.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Liquid water boils away near in vacuum (and in space). The upper limits of our atmosphere are dry.

Ice does not boil but the closer to the sun it gets causes melting, c think comet trails.

When a chunk of ice hits our atmosphere it rapidly heats, melts and outer layers boil away. If the chunk is big enough it can reach earth. For the amount of ice required for a biblical flood think hundreds of thousands of Tunguska events with tens of thousands of K2 events thrown in.

Interesting times?

One does not even need to care what happens when it goes through the atmosphere. If it did not turn its kinetic and potential energy into heat there it would upon impact. Long story short water from space would cook Noah and his magic boat of steamed animals. Water from "the deeps" would also cook Noah and company. And that is only the beginning of the problems for the myth.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Every one of these PRATTS has been answered a thousand times. Find me an alleged flood deposit with any two animals from different eras colocated, (a saurian dinosaur with a mammoth, for example) and we'll talk.

Such evidence is discarded due to claims that the younger fossil was an intrusion.
I will resist in giving you such websites for your argument will be "Creationist websites"
But perhaps you can answer me how it was possible that a shoe footprint squashing a trilobite was found in a rock.
or a 200 milion year old fossil shoe print?
Shoeprint Dating Back 200 Million Years: Could It Be Time For History To Be Rewritten?

pal there are thousands of such discoveries.
What about the palusy river footprints. Human and Dino crossing each other.
And how antropologists attempted to destroy these footprints.
I loved it when the Christians opened more river bed and fount 10 times more footprints proving that Human and Dino lived together.

Ok, If you would take the time you will also find that there are animals now living, that is found in the fossil beds with dinos
11 Living Creatures that Coexisted with Dinosaurs

But, dont go there, It might be creationists speaking there, or perhaps not.

 

[ChristineM]

I never described anything that are not recorded and published under peer review in the scientific world.

Citation?

The Nebular Theory, still remains a theory,

Hypothesis, not theory, a hypothesis that has been scrapped because facts debunk it

The reason why you say there should be about 80 times more water needed to flood the earth than what ever existed on the Earth, is because you are again listening to Biblical critisizers

No. The reason i am saying 80 times more water than has ever existed is because i took the time to work it out

here again, you compare with what you see now with something no one is thinking at all, except of corse the Bible bashers.

Actually fluid dynamics is more than just thinking, it is fact

I am not talking of current water rising from the earths surface, but water that was caught up in the earth's surface during it's formation

Earth was far to hot to hold water during its formation.

Again, the story of the 8 800 meters of water in circumfence of the earth is not what the Bible says. Therefore the straw puppet fell on its face.

The bible says water rose 15 cubits above the highest mountain. Even allowing for plate tectonics, Everest gas been well over 8000 metres for all the time humans have existed and over 8800 since the time of the claimed flood

I am not an engineer, and I know the ark was built with wood from trees that were at least 1500 years old. Again, if you demand that the Ark should be built from steel, you are actually building a strawpuppet, but this time from steel

Yes we can tell you are not an engineer, neither am i. And no matter how old the trees used, a vessel of that size would need reinforcement? Note, i not demand it built from steel, i do demand it is not held together by magic.

Now, why would you even build this strawpuppet?
Do you realise you are actually displaying your bias and ignorance and are in defiance of your own logic?
Think..

Again, fact, there are at least 8.4 million species. They are said to go into the ark in 2s or 7s depending on food value, my number is very conservative.

Why would you perceive Noah to be so stupid as to load 2 pairs of whales on a ship?
Think...
Whales...Water...Fish...Water...ship????

Think, whales, salt water, a deluge of the proportions described would effectively reduce the salinity of the water beyond tolerable levels for salt water creatures. They would all drown in fresh water. Yet they exist today. Something you have not even thought about.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Such evidence is discarded due to claims that the younger fossil was an intrusion.
I will resist in giving you such websites for your argument will be "Creationist websites"
But perhaps you can answer me how it was possible that a shoe footprint squashing a trilobite was found in a rock.
or a 200 milion year old fossil shoe print?
Shoeprint Dating Back 200 Million Years: Could It Be Time For History To Be Rewritten?

pal there are thousands of such discoveries.
What about the palusy river footprints. Human and Dino crossing each other.
And how antropologists attempted to destroy these footprints.
I loved it when the Christians opened more river bed and fount 10 times more footprints proving that Human and Dino lived together.

Ok, If you would take the time you will also find that there are animals now living, that is found in the fossil beds with dinos
11 Living Creatures that Coexisted with Dinosaurs

But, dont go there, It might be creationists speaking there, or perhaps not.

Nice "shoes". Looks like shoes does not mean that they are shoes.

You appear to be very gullible when it comes to stories defending your myth.

 

[ChristineM]

One does not even need to care what happens when it goes through the atmosphere. If it did not turn its kinetic and potential energy into heat there it would upon impact. Long story short water from space would cook Noah and his magic boat of steamed animals. Water from "the deeps" would also cook Noah and company. And that is only the beginning of the problems for the myth.

The problems with such claims have obviously never been considered by our creationist bretheren.

BTW, a friend of mine uses geothermal heating in his gite complex including outdoor heated pool. I believe they bore down only a little over 300 metres.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No, why would you claim that water entering from space would be boiling hot?

Simply because you think that if any particle enter from outer space into the atmosphere, it would burn due to friction travelling at 25 000 to 160 000 Miles per hour.
In this scenario, I agree.
But this is not what we are talking about at all.
The snowball dust that fell onto the earth was "Part" of the atmosphere!
We are talking of matter that were turning with the velocity of the earth at a height of about 150Km to 300 Km.
itself be at a temperature of minus 170 to 250 deg celcius.
All that actually happened was that a lot of hail fell on the Earth, and if there was any friction, it was cooled down to water temperature.

"Now the "vapor canopy" would form a part of the atmosphere, being a body of gas (water vapor) gravitationally held to the earth. It would in fact be most of the pre-flood atmosphere. There would have to be enough vapor to form 9km of liquid, when condensed, and, therefore the vapor would weigh as much as 9km of water. The pressure at the earth's surface, where Noah and family lived, would be equal to one atmosphere PLUS the weight of a 9km column of water of unit area. This is equivalent to the pressure 9km deep in the ocean. What is this pressure? Well, each 10m of water is roughly equivalent to one atmosphere, so the pressure would be 900 atmospheres. The atmosphere would also have a composition of about 900 parts water vapor to one part of what we call air today.

How could an atmosphere almost 100% water vapor not condense? The temperature would have to be raised to the point where the partial pressure of water equals 900 atmospheres, i.e. the boiling point at that pressure. So we find Noah et al. living in a 13,000psi boiler"

The Vapor Canopy Hypothesis Holds No Water

 

[SA Huguenot]

So you're claiming the Bible's telling of the Noah story ISN'T literal? there goes the need to slavishly believe in a global flood then, huh?

There's another point, all this water that magically appeared, was it fresh or salt? Because most freshwater fish can't live in saltwater, and most saltwater fish can't live in freshwater. What magical, evidence free ad hoc claim do you use to get around the fact that "The Flood" should have killed all freshwater or saltwater fish? Not to mention amphibians can't live in saltwater, and many marine mammals breath through nostrils.

Your sloppy ad hoc rationalisations generate more questions than they solve.

Never did I claim the story of Noah's flood to be a myth. It is literal, and I hope you would read my post again, I see you have great ddifficuilty to do sn Fresh and Salt, I am of opinion that the waters of the earth were not as salty as today.
But then again, I am not a Chemistry major, and will not venture into this thinking without first learning more.
You then end with :"Not to mention ... and many marine mammals breath through nostrils.
Now let me get to your logic here to see if I understand what you say.
Marine animals that breath through nostrils?
Are you talking about something like the Manitees?
Do you think Noah would have had to load them on the ark for their survival?
Now show me here YHWH tells Noah to take marine animals on the Ark.
Gen 6:20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind,
Then tell me what do you think of the silly argument your atheist friends have on Noah having to load 7 pairs of sper whales on the ark.

Come on, lets see how well you can critisize real errors!

 

[SA Huguenot]

One does not even need to care what happens when it goes through the atmosphere. If it did not turn its kinetic and potential energy into heat there it would upon impact. Long story short water from space would cook Noah and his magic boat of steamed animals. Water from "the deeps" would also cook Noah and company. And that is only the beginning of the problems for the myth.

So, it does not matter what anyone say, you have this argument.
Not even if one considers that there is no evidence that there are water out in space!
No, no...
I did not say WATER!!!
I said ICE!!!
ICE and DIRT like COMMETS have!