The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Tell that to the Planned Parenthood clinics that have had bomb threats or attacks, or the abortion doctors who've been shot dead by Christian terrorists.
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Florida Mass Murder
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Tell that to the Planned Parenthood clinics that have had bomb threats or attacks, or the abortion doctors who've been shot dead by Christian terrorists.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
In the United States, violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eleven people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, a police officer, two people (unclear of their connection), and a clinic escort; [I 1] [I 2] Seven murders occurred in the 1990s."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence
That averages out to less than 1 person a year. There are not millions of Christians that belong to regimes recruiting people world wild to kill the innocent.
I'm guessing most Christians are pro-choice as well
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence
That averages out to less than 1 person a year. There are not millions of Christians that belong to regimes recruiting people world wild to kill the innocent.
I'm guessing most Christians are pro-choice as well
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
That is ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ UGLY!
Sadly it's also TRUE.
Evidently "planned parenthood" members practice RETROACTIVE ABORTION!
Don't abort babies but MURDER those that do!
I have NO USE for CRIMINAL no matter the justification.
One wonders? Do those that promote violence in the name of Christianity
get a free pass, "get of of jail card" because they believe murder in the name of
Jesus isn't MURDER?
I'm a Christian but follower of no particular denomination.
I WOULD defend my loved ones and myself using deadly force if dictated by
the circumstances but I sure as heck don't want to.
I pray I'm never in such a situation.
Were I at the gay club and could have shot the militant murderer dead I would have.
I'd never be "right" again I don't think, but I'd have done it.
I hope I would have used my skills to defend the defenseless.
I'm guessing you are right.
I am NOT pro-choice however. I don't believe in abortion 'cept in rare
circumstances but I judge no one.
Judgement isn't in my job description.
Ergo I'm 69 & BLESSED with a 15 year old son!
His mother really asked me if I wanted her to abort!
%*(&$#$ NO!
I shouldered the responsibility and MARRIED her.
THAT was a bad move!
However we are friends to this day and share a FINE, LOVING, son!
Life don't get no better than that!
Should his mother EVER need anything I'm there for my son's mother!
I have ZERO use for resentments.
Not even for the criminal that broke my back when I arrested him.
I'm somewhat crippled and suffer intractable pain to this day.
Soooooo WHAT? I walk, I talk, I got 2 degrees despite the injuries, retired with an
o.k. income. I'm just hunky dorry.
( I DID arrest him, broken back or not! So there!
)(just to brag a bit his g-friend, 15, is a gifted artist with her work on display in her
school. Cute too!)
Yes I do.
The Bush administration was staunchly Christian. The invasion of Iraq was the top mass violent episode of the 21st century. The evil repercussions, such as Daesh, will reverberate down through history like the Crusades.
People who want to believe good things about Christianity and Christian culture can explain it away. The Bush administration weren't True Christians. They weren't really acting out of Christian morals. The same BS hardcore Muslims use to explain away Daesh and KSA and such.
Tom
So, I find some of what you are conveying questionable, but the questions I would have are lofty and intended to be considered at another level. None of that though is why I'm responding.
The gun owners I know have shared with me what you are conveying here. They have said that if they ever did discharge their weapon as an act of defense they would fully expect:
a) to be quickly encountered by law enforcement and treated not with kid gloves or as some sort of hero. The gun would be immediately removed from them.
b) they would likely never see that gun again, or it would be a long time before they do
c) they would wrestle with the decision they made in a way that could amount to second guessing, but is really just post traumatic stress from being put in a situation where violence by them was most sensible option
d) they might be tried on misuse of their weapon, or essentially treated as not engaging in self defense and found guilty of some wrongdoing. But given the firm belief of needing self defense in the situation are willing to let the chips fall where they may.
All this strikes me as responsible considerations, which counter a few of my sensibilities, but not at a practical level where any level of physical defense in any situation is seen as 'sensible.' Responsible gun owners I truly believe do hope/pray they are never in such a situation. Less responsible gun owners (criminal types), prone to using a weapon in an offensive manner, I think are actively hoping to be in that type of situation and essentially spinning the above items in a way in which they either escape from police, are able to hide the weapon after discharge, and seemingly have little cognition of what impact on their mind shooting another person actually entails. Under the scenario of self defense, it seems abundantly clear that societal pressures and PC versions of gun control that discharging a weapon and shooting another person is inherently wrong. I think the criminal (or war) mindset sees it as possibly righteous and a means to an end that no court of law should ever weigh in on.
Not sure why I wrote all this, but just expressing my views that some anti-gun people do seem to overlook what responsible gun owners I believe consider perhaps every single day.
You make it seem like Iraq was a sweet little innocent nation doing its best to be nice with all its neighbors, getting along fine with them, not ever claiming to have WMD's, and all nations loved them immensely until the terrorists known as Bush Administration came along and changed that narrative.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Before or during, it brings to mind the recent California shooting where the guy was able to legally acquire his firearms even though he was being watched. I hate sounding "conspiracy theorists," but it's as if the CIA and FBI are deliberately trying to create the monsters we are supposed to be afraid of.
I've seen enough homicide and suicide to make me sick to the point I
suffer from P.T.S.D.
I take deadly force very seriously indeed and never want to cause the death
of another.
I also don't want to consider the death of my loved ones or any innocent
person and will stop such if possible.
I doubt that will EVER happen.
Thank "god" for that.
suffer from P.T.S.D.
I take deadly force very seriously indeed and never want to cause the death
of another.
I also don't want to consider the death of my loved ones or any innocent
person and will stop such if possible.
I doubt that will EVER happen.
Thank "god" for that.
McBell
Unbound
they to busy getting six months for rape...
That is not what I said at all.
I did point out that Christians are quite capable of murderous violence, on a global scale. It is not just Muslims.
You did not address that in any way.
Instead you posted a strawman argument that had nothing to do with what I did post. I find that very common amongst hypocritical warmongers. "Our violence is different! We do it because it's the right thing to do."
Tom
The original quote you responded to said: (in post #139):
Thus this original point is already stating what you feel you are adding to the discussion, but thus far have not shown how radical Christians engage in mass shootings or terrorists acts.
You are implying that Bush Administration was engaged in "mass shootings" via war/invasion into Iraq. That would be akin to saying the police that responded to the Orlando attacker also engaged in a mass shooting that should be seen as on par with the Orlando shooter. Cause otherwise, you are ignoring what I was stating in response to your assertion, that the Bush Administration did this as a form of national defense, to which Hillary Clinton voted in support of. Adding that in there just cause it's not like "Bush Administration" and "invasion in Iraq" is 1 to 2 people carrying out that attack, and is more like a whole lot of people (tens of thousands) either had direct responsibility or participated in it.
I agree it is plausibly hypocritical, but do think there is difference between terrorism and war. I mean, of course you'd include (Christian) Obama in your point when he authorizes drone attacks on people, thus the same sort of hypocrisy at work, but would you also say that Obama is akin to radical believer of Christianity and that is on display when he authorizes such attacks? That he is in fact engaging in terrorism?
Spiderman
Veteran Member
I don't know where the six month figure came from. I was in jail for 11 months (not for sexual offense), begining in 2015, and there was a guy that got twelve years for receiving oral sex from a minor.
I swear on my soul it's true.
You mean "opponents" instead of "members" I presume.
Bawwwwwwwwwwww-hawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
Funny. Sadly there are soooooo many cases of "christian" incest especially
among the Amish.
Pleeeease. Knock knocking ANYONE'S religion mentioned here!
(doubt we'd see many if any Amish posting here, No electricity don'cha'know)
Alcoholism and incest is all to common among this closed society.
How do I know this if the society is closed?
Because many Amish young abdicate (wrong work huh?) leave the strict society and
are "shunned", perhaps given the royal boot out of the religion?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish
Gotta watch each other's back.....there's commies around here!Yes and thanks.