Florida Mass Murder

[ADigitalArtist]

I didn't see this claim in any of the several news accounts I read.
Source?

His facebook page, though it's been taken down. If some screen caps or other interviews surface I'll link to you. Photos of his car with the NRA sticker on it are still circulating though, I believe.

Edit: http://www.thewrap.com/james-howell-la-pride-parade-west-hollywood/ Talks about his NRA sticker on his car anyway.

 

[4consideration]

I get all that, but as I said above, the FBI investigation of him and the watch list, he should have at least been prevented from purchasing a fire arm.

I'm seeing a number of sources saying even though he investiaged a few times by the FBI, he was not on a watchlist.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-suspected-gunman-omar-mateen/?ftag=MSF0951a18
"Mateen was not on a current terror watchlist, a U.S. intelligence source tells Tepper. He was entered into a terrorist screening database during the time the FBI was questioning him, but he was removed when the FBI closed the investigation, Tepper reports."

 

[Adramelek]

The government decides to investigate you so your Constitutional rights cease to exist?

You really can't see the gigantic moral problems there?
Seriously?
Tom

Oh, hell, how many more people have to die for you to realize that WE ARE AT WAR!? Radical Islam is at war with us, and the United States Congress needs to officially sign a declaration of war against ISIS and all other extreme Islamist groups. They don't give a flying f**k about your "moral problems", they want you dead. During times of war certain rights have, will, and must be sacrificed; it is the reality of the real world... either wake up or keep your head in the sand. If you or I were captured by ISIS they would not hesitate to behead us in a New York minute, they would probably burn me at the stake for being a "devil worshipper". So don't attempt to lecture me about Constitutional rights or moral problems.

 

[ThirtyThree]

ISIS, again...

The expression of Islam NEEDS to be banned in the West, period.

 

[jeager106]

Interesting stats:
1. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. That's 23 percent of the world's population. And somewhere close to 1.6 billion of these Muslims have not committed an act of terror, nor have they directly facilitated any terrorist act. So it's absolutely true to say that (in the context of terrorism) not only are most Muslims peaceful, but almost every Muslim alive bears no direct culpability for terrorist acts.

YES! And I'm soooo glad to know that.
That is so comforting to know.
Tell that to the dead, wounded, traumatized, Orlando victims.
Tell that to the world that is suspect of Muslims due to modern day atrocities
committed in the name of Allah.
A 2007 Pew Research Center study of several nations throughout the Muslim world showed that opposition to suicide bombing in the Muslim world is increasing, with a majority of Muslims surveyed in 10 out of the 16 of the countries responding that suicide bombings and other violence against civilians is "never" justified, though an average of 38% believe it is justified at least rarely.
^^^ From wiki.

2.08 Billion Muslims today in this world.
** Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

Only 15% support violence in the name of Allah.
What is 15% of 2.08 BILLION?
OVER 3 MILLION! (check my math as it's horrible)

If my math is correct "only" 3 million plus want you and I DEAD!
Ah, yes, the Religion of Peace instills love in the world.....unless...........
someone is gay, Christian, black, red, yellow,............................................

 

[jeager106]

Oh, hell, how many more people have to die for you to realize that WE ARE AT WAR!? Radical Islam is at war with us, and the United States Congress needs to officially sign a declaration of war against ISIS and all other extreme Islamist groups. They don't give a flying f**k about your "moral problems", they want you dead. During times of war certain rights have, will, and must be sacrificed; it is the reality of the real world... either wake up or keep your head in the sand. If you or I were captured by ISIS they would not hesitate to behead us in a New York minute, they would probably burn me at the stake for being a "devil worshipper". So don't attempt to lecture me about Constitutional rights or moral problems.

O.M.G. What a horrible thing to say!!!!
Sadly it's all TRUE.
I applaud your honesty.
Recall burning a captured, disarmed, and now harmless MUSLIM pilot
on world wide television?
Another act of the Religion of Peace.
What part of the term hypocrisy don't you understand?

Religion of Peace. Yeah, your pieces splashed all over the ceiling.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/


This cite presents recent news about the "Religion of Peace" that our liberal
news WON'T.

 

[columbus]

Oh, hell, how many more people have to die for you to realize that WE ARE AT WAR!?

I take it that is a "No".
You are more inclined to suspend the Constitution than risk living in a free society. You are the problem dude.

We are not at war with Floridians. That guy, hateful and violent as he was, was a USA citizen. And no, I am not OK with declaring war on other USA citizens to the extinguishment of the Constitution.
Even if I think their religion is icky. I think that about Christianity.
Being gay, I am a bit sensitive on the subject of constitutional rights.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Another act of the Religion of Peace.
What part of the term hypocrisy don't you understand?

The part where Christians support "preemptive war" all over the place, such as Iraq. Where we support violence against Palestinian people, because it is in our best geopolitical best interests.

Don't even get me started on the hypocrisy of the USA Christian world because I will wind up with a bunch of new RF infractions. That is just the kind of mood I am in this week.

Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

His facebook page, though it's been taken down. If some screen caps or other interviews surface I'll link to you. Photos of his car with the NRA sticker on it are still circulating though, I believe.

Edit: http://www.thewrap.com/james-howell-la-pride-parade-west-hollywood/ Talks about his NRA sticker on his car anyway.

For something so titillating to anti-NRA types, it's surprising that more hasn't been made of it.
But of course, NRA membership doesn't cure personal faults....at least they never fixed mine.

 

[Demonslayer]

There are Christian governments in Africa that are just as anti-gay as some Muslim governments.

Don't forget where Muslims got their anti-gay ideas from; The Bible.

This, exactly right Lyndon. ALL religions with an anti-gay message should be condemned. Islam and Christianity and just as bad as each other in this regard.

No more of this "my religion tells me gay people are bad so I have a right to think gay people are bad." No more! It's no different than the religious reasoning people used to give for being against interracial marriage, or any other religious-based bigotry.

It's bigotry plain and simple, and eventually it always leads to something like this.

 

[Adramelek]

[QUOTE="columbus, post: 4786900, member: 52258" ]We are not at war with Floridians. That guy, hateful and violent as he was, was a USA citizen. And no, I am not OK with declaring war on other USA citizens to the extinguishment of the Constitution.[/QUOTE]

Oh... my... gawd... whatever Columbus, distort my words, "whatever makes you sleep better at night" -- continually. Remember the words.

 

[jeager106]

The part where Christians support "preemptive war" all over the place, such as Iraq. Where we support violence against Palestinian people, because it is in our best geopolitical best interests.

Don't even get me started on the hypocrisy of the USA Christian world because I will wind up with a bunch of new RF infractions. That is just the kind of mood I am in this week.

Tom

Ahhh, I understand your frustration.
I too fully realize the USA Christian hypocrisy and I OBJECT to it.
Just the kind of mood I'm in today.
I reserve the option to start my day over any time I want to.
And I DO!
Not yelling at nor scolding you in any way. Please don't take my words as such.
I spent a MONTH literally DYING in a hospital not long ago and resolved to NOT let people,
places, or things, cause me heartache.
My life and personal values mean more to me than getting upset over
electrons on a screen.
(Yes, I'm o.k. now but watch my diet and take my diabetes meds. Thanks for asking)
As an aside for those that don't know me.................
I served 22.5 years in the mean streets enduring insults, attacks, and grievous physical
injuries from which I suffer permanent intractable pain to this day.
(some freaking people even SHOT at me! Didn't they know I was a nice guy?!)
Please don't even feel sorry for me at all.
I'm alive and appreciate my life and YOUR life.

 

[gsa]

ISIS, again...

The expression of Islam NEEDS to be banned in the West, period.

Ah, to save the West (and presumably liberal democracy), we must destroy its foundations?

Why don't we ban all of the Abrahamic religions while we are at it? You can never be too sure...

 

[4consideration]

His facebook page, though it's been taken down. If some screen caps or other interviews surface I'll link to you. Photos of his car with the NRA sticker on it are still circulating though, I believe.

Edit: http://www.thewrap.com/james-howell-la-pride-parade-west-hollywood/ Talks about his NRA sticker on his car anyway.

Your article is also saying the police department is correcting itself saying they first reported he said he wanted to "harm" people, but that he never really said that.

"The Santa Monica Police Department, which initially said they believed the suspect intended to attack the annual parade in West Hollywood, recanted that statement late Sunday.

In a revised statement, authorities said that Howell did not intend to “harm” attendees at the parade but merely wanted to attend the event, which draws thousands to support the LGBT community."

This article addresses the police department's retraction of the way they originally reported it: http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/james...ttack-guns-weapons-photos-facebook-terrorist/

So in our blame game are we going to mention that the thwarted bomber in LA with a car full of weapons and explosives looking to attack the LA pride parade was a NRA card carrying conservative Christian? That backwards violent homophobia is still alive and well within the Christian faith?

It's funny how the article pictures the Orlando shooter, and makes a comparison (they both were security guards) when it just seems like sensational journalism -- and jumping to conclusions. The shooter in Orlando was registered as a Democrat. I don't know what this guy is.

Here this guy is being treated as similar to the Orlando shooter when he hasn't actually done anything, and isn't even being accused by the police of intending to harm anyone -- and it being used as an example of Christian homophobia, when there is no evidence so far the guy was anti-gay at all.

Actually, this article quotes a friend of his saying that the guy did not hold any ill will toward gays or lesbians, and that Howell, himself, is bisexual.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html

"Howell’s friend and fellow car club member Joseph Greeson, 18, said Howell didn’t harbor any ill will toward gays or lesbians.

Greeson said Howell’s family in Jeffersonville hadn’t seen him for days and that his parents had called Greeson’s parents looking for him.

He added that Howell was known to have a gun collection...

“...James is going to get someone hurt,” one witness said, the article said. “He needs to stop pointing guns at people.”

Greeson said that Howell harbored no ill will toward gays or lesbians and added that Howell was bisexual."

Although it does seem this guy has some problems, and may pose a danger to others. It's not clear to me from the article if he is in violation of probation, and it seems likely he should not have been in possession of firearms.

So in our blame game are we going to mention that the thwarted bomber in LA with a car full of weapons and explosives looking to attack the LA pride parade was a NRA card carrying conservative Christian? That backwards violent homophobia is still alive and well within the Christian faith?

Where do you see evidence of what you are saying about this person in the above quote?

 

[McBell]

Ah, to save the West (and presumably liberal democracy), we must destroy its foundations?

Why don't we ban all of the Abrahamic religions while we are at it? You can never be too sure...

why stop at the Abrahamic ones?

 

[gsa]

why stop at the Abrahamic ones?

They are uniquely anti-gay and prone to religious violence in my opinion. So if we are proposing some ridiculous ban on violent religions, then it makes sense that they might be treated differently than, say, Jains.

 

[ThirtyThree]

Ah, to save the West (and presumably liberal democracy), we must destroy its foundations?

Why don't we ban all of the Abrahamic religions while we are at it? You can never be too sure...

While there certainly are extremists in every religion, including Christianity, I do not see radical Christians involved in mass shootings or terrorist attacks, do you?

 

[gsa]

While there certainly are extremists in every religion, including Christianity, I do not see radical Christians involved in mass shootings or terrorist attacks, do you?

Happened in the past, always a risk in the future. Using your logic, it would seem best to just ban it now so we don't have to worry about it later.

 

[Spiderman]

I'm just saying in Europe and America Canada, Australia, and wherever else, where those who profess religion are a Christian majority, it is illegal in all of those Nations to kill homosexuals.

As a matter of fact there is increasingly large number of Christian churches that accept people and even wed gay couples .

I think Christianity is far easier to moderate and liberalize, because the man that founded Christianity was not violent, did not kill people, preached against the barbaric policies of the OT, ...

...
did not order people to defend him, preached love your enemies, turn the other cheek, and radical forgiveness.

I don't know of another religious figure in history that out-did Jesus Christ in preaching forgiveness, love your enemies, and do not return violence with violence.

 

[Acim]

If we ban these things, that means they'll never happen again. Ya know, like we did with murder.