Florida Mass Murder

[jeager106]

One wonders is the "true" muslim the one that isn't planting a bomb
or shooting at us?

 

[Spiderman]

One wonders is the "true" muslim the one that isn't planting a bomb
or shooting at us?

Somali migrants here are involved in enormous amounts of gang activity, violence, rape, credit card fraud, other fraud , burglary , vandalism, drug dealing, going overseas to join Isis, and are very open about wanting Sharia law here.

But there is no correlation between their acts of violence and the Religion they belong to.

This is very culturally enriching.

 

[Altfish]

The true Muslims don't commit violence.

Have you heard of the "No true Scotsman" fallacy...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

You've just used it.

 

[jeager106]

Have you heard of the "No true Scotsman" fallacy...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

You've just used it.

No true Scotsman is an informal fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion.[1] When faced with a counterexample to a universal claim ("no Scotsman would do such a thing"), rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule ("no true Scotsman would do such a thing"; i.e., those who perform that action are not part of our group and thus criticism of that action is not criticism of the group).[2]

 

[Spiderman]

Have you heard of the "No true Scotsman" fallacy...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

You've just used it.

Surely you are aware of how much good the "religion of Peace"has done our world?

 

[McBell]

Surely you are aware of how much good the religion of Peace has done our world?

I am not aware of a single thing the religion has done.

I am aware of some of the things done by followers of religion

 

[Spiderman]

So, I know that there's a lot of Christian churched in America that accept gays, even have gay and lesbian pastors and gay marriage.

Are there mosques that have gay and lesbian Imams, gay marriage, or accepting of couples that are openly living in a homosexual relationship?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

One wonders is the "true" muslim the one that isn't planting a bomb
or shooting at us?

I have yet to meet a single Muslim--American, Middle Eastern, or from another place--that has expressed hostility, anti-American/Western sentiments, or any other such things. Sure, they exist, but much like Christian terrorists they are few and far between. And considering the political, social, and economic instability and imperialism going on in the Middle East, even without religion it is very likely we'd still be seeing terrorism - afterall, the Iraqis didn't even get to set up their own government, so what can you really expect? Hose a hornet's nest, and you need to be ready to be stung.

 

[Debater Slayer]

[...] Middle Eastern, or from another place--that has expressed hostility, anti-American/Western sentiments, or any other such things. [...]

If I didn't know you live outside the Middle East, I would be able to guess that you didn't just from the above comment.

 

[Spiderman]

Anyone think this will drastically increase America's military involvement and ground troops in Iraq and Syria?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If I didn't know you live outside the Middle East, I would be able to guess that you didn't just from the above comment.

Unfortunately, I've never even been outside of the States (so many places I want to see).
But I did get to meet several Middle Eastern people at Uni, from students to professors. And from my experience working in the library, they were much more well behaved than the American students who occasionally got very loud, very disruptive, and were pretty bad about not pushing their chairs back in and not picking up their own trash.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Unfortunately, I've never even been outside of the States (so many places I want to see).
But I did get to meet several Middle Eastern people at Uni, from students to professors. And from my experience working in the library, they were much more well behaved than the American students who occasionally got very loud, very disruptive, and were pretty bad about not pushing their chairs back in and not picking up their own trash.

That wouldn't surprise me given that it's in the U.S. In the Middle East, though, many are just... yeah. I'd need a small book to describe it.

 

[Spiderman]

@Shadow Wolf
People that met Ted Bundy found him very well behaved, handsome, articulate, collected, and stable.

I don't trust people because they are likeable, disciplined, or appearing to be "well behaved ".

There are very ugly annoying people that wouldn't hurt anyone.

 

[Spiderman]

I only say that because I find the foreigners I meet on average to be disciplined, humble, and very likeable people, more likable than the average person raised in American culture.

So I asked a very humble, soft-spoken, calm, collected, and very likeable samolian if he thought that women should be stoned for adultery.

He said "yeah, the ***** shouldn't be cheating . "

Just saying, you don't necessarily know that your friends are against terrorism or killing people in the name of Religion or "God's law".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That wouldn't surprise me given that it's in the U.S. In the Middle East, though, many are just... yeah. I'd need a small book to describe it.

True. I wouldn't expect people who hate Western/American culture to come here for a few years for a Western education or to teach in an institute of Western education. But it still does mean that the Middle Eastern Muslim community isn't a bunch of blood thirsty psychopaths.

@Shadow Wolf
People that met Ted Bundy found him very well behaved, handsome, articulate, collected, and stable.

Serial killers, psychopaths, and others are known for being very likeable and charismatic.

 

[Debater Slayer]

True. I wouldn't expect people who hate Western/American culture to come here for a few years for a Western education or to teach in an institute of Western education. But it still does mean that the Middle Eastern Muslim community isn't a bunch of blood thirsty psychopaths.

Actually, I know people who hate Western and American culture but live in the U.S., in addition to ones who have sought education there. It's a double standard: "We hate this culture overall, but we want to enjoy the fruits of its intellectual and technological prosperity compared to our culture."

But yes, of course the Middle Eastern Muslim community aren't a bunch of psychopaths. People aren't black and white, as far as I can see. There are degrees of hatred and rationality in almost all people's beliefs.

 

[Revoltingest]

It begs the question that had he called 911 and pledged loyalty to ISIS, why the hell weren't the police out looking for him? It's not like you can place a truly anonymous call anymore and not be seen by no fewer than dozens of cameras, especially if it's true he was being watched.

Actually, it "raises" the question.
To beg a the question is something different....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

 

[Revoltingest]

The true Muslims don't commit violence. Muhammad (peace be upon him) would never approve of killing homosexuals.
I live in the biggest samolian city in the world. It is more Somalis than the places where Somalis gather in Somalia.
Just google how much we have been culturally enriched here in Minneapolis . More are on their way

The "no true Muslim" argument, eh?
What I see is that there are many kinds of Muslims, each thinking they're the "true" one.
Tis not for me to say who is true & who isn't.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Actually, it "raises" the question.
To beg a the question is something different....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

In modern vernacular usage, "to beg the question" is sometimes used to mean "to invite the question"
So, yes, it begs to be asked why we aren't hearing of widespread searches to find the guy if he called 911 and pledged loyalty to ISIS.

 

[Spiderman]

True. I wouldn't expect people who hate Western/American culture to come here for a few years for a Western education or to teach in an institute of Western education. But it still does mean that the Middle Eastern Muslim community isn't a bunch of blood thirsty psychopaths.

Serial killers, psychopaths, and others are known for being very likeable and charismatic.

And it may be that the man who did this seems like a very Charming peaceful person who would never harm anyone.

He may have been a good man in many ways who cares very much about society , wants " whats best for everyone " and believe that he was laying down his life to be a martyr in the battle between good and evil.

You may think it is gross of me to suggest that somebody that could do this might be a good person deep down , but Religion can be very toxic,
,and if a good person is brainwashed into thinking something like this is for the greater good and God wants them to do it,

even good people are capable of doing much evil if they think it is God's will and can bring "sinners" to repentance and intimidate them into avoiding "sin and abominations to Allah ".