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Florida: We'll take your trans kids in other states

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I see opinions here. I would disagree
It's not opinions. This happened during Medieval era (thanks, @Vouthon).
The transwoman eunuch then disappears from the narrative. Her castration and decision to live the rest of her life dressed as, and identifying as, a woman is not judged, condemned or even commented upon by the trial bishops. This suggests that this transwoman eunuch could not have been the only one and that the church of the time did not view this kind of 'gender identity' as illicit or improper, even though we see quite clearly that Princess Clothild was prejudiced against eunuchs like her who chose to live post-castration as women and we find her openly 'misgendering' (to use the modern word) this transwoman before the court. Yet the church court takes the side of the transwoman eunuch and corroborates her defence against Clothild's accusations.
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As the historian Roland Bentancourt explains: "In my current research, I have been looking at how saints’ lives, medical handbooks, letters, and art are articulate and self-aware about the various ways in which gender identity can be affirmed through both ascetic and surgical practices". Further in his book, Byzantine Intersectionality: Sexuality, Gender and Race in the Middle Ages (2020), Bentancourt makes clear the medieval Eastern Roman Empire based in Constantinople was "an immensely gender-diverse empire with exceptionally complex approaches to gender [...] medieval writers, philosophers, theologians and doctors studied what we may think of today as modern issues including trans and nonbinary gender identities."
You can disagree, but know you are not disagreeing with mere opinion.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Well... somebody forget to tell those who generally vote Republican how wrong I was to care about children.

I'm sure I will find that somewhere in their core beliefs... can you help me with it? :rolleyes:
You cannot care for children if you would ban treatment for a condition that some of them have.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
What condition are you referring to?
The one this thread relates to, but any of them, really. And it can be expanded. Like if you're ok with parents not taking their sick child to the doctor to instead just pray, then you cannot rightfully say you care about kids. If you attack vaccines that keep kids safe, you cannot rightly say you care about them. If you want to deny a medically accepted treatment to address an ailment a child has you CANNOT rightly say you care about kids.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
The one this thread relates to, but any of them, really. And it can be expanded. Like if you're ok with parents not taking their sick child to the doctor to instead just pray, then you cannot rightfully say you care about kids. If you attack vaccines that keep kids safe, you cannot rightly say you care about them. If you want to deny a medically accepted treatment to address an ailment a child has you CANNOT rightly say you care about kids.
It isn't a sickness.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It isn't a sickness.
That is just as wrong as wrong gets, because gender dysphoria according to the real experts (and definitely not ignorant and uneducated laymen) it's a diagnosis in need of treatment.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
That is just as wrong as wrong gets, because gender dysphoria according to the real experts (and definitely not ignorant and uneducated laymen) it's a diagnosis in need of treatment.
And 'treatment' is defined as surgically and chemically change their body to the detriment of their health?

No. If it is a "sickness", you would treat it psychologically to help them understand that XX and XY makes them female or male.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And 'treatment' is defined as surgically and chemically change their body to the detriment of their health?
"Detriment of their health" is your uneducated and ignorant layman's opinion. Science and medicine do not agree, and they know tons more than you do about the subject.
No. If it is a "sickness", you would treat it psychologically to help them understand that XX and XY makes them female or male.
Your so ignorant you don't even know Nature itself does not always line things up like that. It doesn't. There are conditions and syndromes that show it's far more complicated than that. You don't know past treatments (trying to make people just accept and be their birth sex and live with that has been tried and failed).
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
"Detriment of their health" is your uneducated and ignorant layman's opinion. Science and medicine do not agree, and they know tons more than you do about the subject.

Your so ignorant you don't even know Nature itself does not always line things up like that. It doesn't. There are conditions and syndromes that show it's far more complicated than that. You don't know past treatments (trying to make people just accept and be their birth sex and live with that has been tried and failed).
I disagree with your opinion - mutilating children is never a good option
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Don't all laws come from the government?
Do governments have to pass laws that affect our own body and our own choice?

So, what we are seeing is the government in Tallahassee telling the parents of a teen and their doctor what that teen and her parents and her doctor cannot do. How is that being a politically "conservative" in any way?

What is usually done by parents with their teen and with their doctor is to possibly have the teen be put on hormone suppressant medication until (s)he's old enough to decide which war to go, which is really quite harmless. Matter of fact, our oldest daughter is on it now because of her breast cancer.

So, what's next for DeSantis & Co: telling you and your wife which meds and/or operations you both must have? or your child? If the med can be harmful or fatal, yes, the state and should, imo, not allow it. But this isn't that situation.

It's all DeSantis' "culture wars" hype instead of dealing with issues that really need to be faced.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well... somebody forget to tell those who generally vote Republican how wrong I was to care about children.
So, you feel comfortable telling others what must be dome with their children?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
. If it is a "sickness", you would treat it psychologically to help them understand that XX and XY makes them female or male.
It's not the "equipment" that's the main driving force for sexual desire but the hormones, and in some cases they don't match.

Each one of us when we hit puberty have a mixture of both estrogen and testosterone, and which one dominates is usually the direction that our sexual desire goes into.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I disagree with your opinion - mutilating children is never a good option
You disagree with medical experts and researchers and evidence based conclusions.
And, yeah, what's mutilation? I had to have my tonsils and adenoids cut out when I was a very little kid. Also had my leg sliced up for a surgery a in my teens and I still have the scars from it.
You have nothing more than an uneducated and ignorant layman's opinion that is rooted in a stubborn stupidity that refuses to consider what those above me in the field have to say about it. You claim to know better than physicians and psychologists. No, you don't.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
1 - Do governments have to pass laws that affect our own body and our own choice?

2 - So, what we are seeing is the government in Tallahassee telling the parents of a teen and their doctor what that teen and her parents and her doctor cannot do. How is that being a politically "conservative" in any way?

3 - What is usually done by parents with their teen and with their doctor is to possibly have the teen be put on hormone suppressant medication until (s)he's old enough to decide which war to go, which is really quite harmless. Matter of fact, our oldest daughter is on it now because of her breast cancer.

4 - So, what's next for DeSantis & Co: telling you and your wife which meds and/or operations you both must have? or your child? If the med can be harmful or fatal, yes, the state and should, imo, not allow it. But this isn't that situation.

It's all DeSantis' "culture wars" hype instead of dealing with issues that really need to be faced.

1) Yes, they do. In many cases a child that is born after an abortion is done, they must tend to the baby.
2) Why can't they wait until they are adults and growth has finished? Once you go through surgery, it isn't reversible.
Are you for double mastectomy for teenagers? Chest Dysphoria and Chest Reconstruction Surgery in Transmasculine Youth
3) Why have hormone suppressant? If they can wait until s(he) is old enough, then let them wait? I know you understand the side effects at that age.
4) Let's not make this political.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
2) Why can't they wait until they are adults and growth has finished? Once you go through surgery, it isn't reversible.
Are you for double mastectomy for teenagers? Chest Dysphoria and Chest Reconstruction Surgery in Transmasculine Youth
3) Why have hormone suppressant? If they can wait until s(he) is old enough, then let them wait? I know you understand the side effects at that age.
4) Let's not make this political.
Do you know how puberty works?
And, yeah, it is political because Republicans and Conservatives, being fueled by hate, decided it must be politicized and banned.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
1) Yes, they do. In many cases a child that is born after an abortion is done, they must tend to the baby.
2) Why can't they wait until they are adults and growth has finished? Once you go through surgery, it isn't reversible.
Are you for double mastectomy for teenagers? Chest Dysphoria and Chest Reconstruction Surgery in Transmasculine Youth
3) Why have hormone suppressant? If they can wait until s(he) is old enough, then let them wait? I know you understand the side effects at that age.
4) Let's not make this political.
It IS "political", whether we like it or not.

I have a granddaughter who is gay because that's how she is "constructed". So, does she have any political rights to be with whom she loves and wants to possibly marry some day?

Just imagine if you're a male whose hormones have more estrogen in them, can't you see the internal conflicts that this can create and possibly lead to serious bouts of depression and possible suicide? The suicide rates are very high with people stuck in this Catch-22 situation.

And if being trans and/or gay is so morally bankrupt, then why did God make them this way? Again, I linked you to the Wiki article on "hormones", so did you read it?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
And, yeah, it is political because Republicans and Conservatives, being fueled by hate, decided it must be politicized and banned.
And this is the thing I have to keep returning to, namely how can a person who says (s)he believes in Jesus support politicians like Trump who spews hate as they attack so many innocent others? Why would they mostly watch Fox that does this constantly, especially in the 8-11 p.m. time slot, plus is still perpetrating the BIG LIE?

And if they're supposedly conservative, why would they support the likes of DeSantis and Abbott, who are pushing voter-suppression tactics and want to dominate what's taught in even our universities? It's their "win at any cost" mindset that certainly isn't compatible with the teachings of the major religions.
 
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