For all Trump Supporters

[Dirty Penguin]

Will there be effects? Of course. However, Obamacare needs to be dissolved before it gets as entrenched as social security. The longer we wait to clean up Obama's mess, the more painful it will be.

That's your biggest worry is that it will be here to stay?

Are you worried that people, left and right, will come to love it more and more than what they've been expressing?

 

[esmith]

But 20 million Americans losing insurance will have nasty effects with them, and the CBO has concluded that it also would lead to massive medical inflation. IMO, it should be tweaked, maybe even heavily so, but definitely not eliminated en toto.

why do you keep repeating the same old tired dribble. When has this Administration said they were going to drop 20 million Americans from insurance.

 

[esmith]

The ACA works mostly through the private insurance market, which is actually part of the problem because it's mostly tied up in the for-profit system we have that drives up costs.

OTOH, the Germans and the Danes use a single-payer system that works through private-health insurance providers that are also non-profit along with heavy regulations. Using this approach, they provide universal health care at significantly less cost than here in the States.

This country is not your beloved other nations. We are not going to have single-single payer insurance for the masses as long as the adults are running the show.

 

[UpperLimits]

But costs would have gone up with or without a single payers system as well. That is just the reality healthcare for the last few decades. And I do believe that without a single payer system they would have gone up more and gotten out of control.

Nobodies arguing that the cost of a band-aid hasn't went up since 1960. But realistically, I think a lot of the reason behind increased expenditures is the cost of modern technologies. For example, 50 years ago MRI machines hadn't even been invented. Today they are everywhere. They cost tons of money, and practically every clinic has either has one, or is trying to get one. I don't think that kind of thing was ever anticipated when the system was initially designed. Neither were "designer drugs" that cost $1500.00 a day.

What country are you from BTW? I'm Canadian. I am very proud of our healthcare system, it is not perfect, and of course prices have gone up since the 1960's. But it is still cheaper per capita than what they have in the States.

Ditto.

If you don't like a single payer system then how about just the public option. Give people that choice, and if they can do better, by all means. Republicans don't like the public option because they are afraid too many people are going to choose it, because the government can provide a better plan than most insurance companies want to give you. (the government is not motivated by profit)

Not my choice as I'm not an American. But I wouldn't mind seeing private insurance up here in Canada either.

I have to confess. I do have one foot in the Liberal camp on this issue. I firmly believe that coverage, in some form, should be available to all. Nobody should ever have to lose their home, their savings, or be indebted for life, just because they happen to have the misfortune of getting ill. Perhaps have the basics, chronic issues and emergencies covered, and people can buy top up insurance such as with the Blue Cross drug plans.

And as for the government... Well, of course the government is so well known for IT'S ability to handle money!!! Perhaps we should just hand it all over to them and they can instruct us as to how best to live our lives. Look: As a general rule, any time the government gets its hands into something it messes the whole deal up. The faster we can get rid of bureaucracy - the better.

 

[fantome profane]

Nobodies arguing that the cost of a band-aid hasn't went up since 1960. But realistically, I think a lot of the reason behind increased expenditures is the cost of modern technologies. For example, 50 years ago MRI machines hadn't even been invented. Today they are everywhere. They cost tons of money, and practically every clinic has either has one, or is trying to get one. I don't think that kind of thing was ever anticipated when the system was initially designed. Neither were "designer drugs" that cost $1500.00 a day.

Ditto.

Not my choice as I'm not an American. But I wouldn't mind seeing private insurance up here in Canada either.

I have to confess. I do have one foot in the Liberal camp on this issue. I firmly believe that coverage, in some form, should be available to all. Nobody should ever have to lose their home, their savings, or be indebted for life, just because they happen to have the misfortune of getting ill. Perhaps have the basics, chronic issues and emergencies covered, and people can buy top up insurance such as with the Blue Cross drug plans.

And as for the government... Well, of course the government is so well known for IT'S ability to handle money!!! Perhaps we should just hand it all over to them and they can instruct us as to how best to live our lives. Look: As a general rule, any time the government gets its hands into something it messes the whole deal up. The faster we can get rid of bureaucracy - the better.

I trust the government more than I trust insurance companies. A lot more. At least if we don't like what the government does we can vote them out.

 

[Revoltingest]

At least if we don't like what the government does we can vote them out.

I've been trying to do just that.
It never works.
But I've switched insurance companies with ease.

 

[leibowde84]

You do realize he's doing exactly what he said he was going to do for at least the nine months before he was elected? I know for some having an elected official do what he said he was going to do comes as a shock.

You left out the part where he's doing a horrible job of following through on his promises, ignoring the fact that everything he does is subject to judicial review, per the constitution. And, he's got awful judgment when it comes to his cabinet.

 

[UpperLimits]

I trust the government more than I trust insurance companies. A lot more. At least if we don't like what the government does we can vote them out.

Not soon enough with our current batch of idiots.

An insurance company? I can "fire" them tomorrow.

 

[metis]

You left out the part where he's doing a horrible job of following through on his promises, ignoring the fact that everything he does is subject to judicial review, per the constitution. And, he's got awful judgment when it comes to his cabinet.

I think I can sum this all up with these two words: train-wreck.