UpperLimits
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I suppose that depends on whether you consider the current batch of pond scum as being harmful, or helpful bacteria.
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UpperLimits
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NOBODY will EVER have their insurance "stripped from them." Get real. You can ALWAYS buy insurance from a private provider.
Besides, as the system is currently set up, some people currently have insane deductibles. I've heard numbers as high as $17,000.00!! Tell me. Do YOU have $17,000.00 handy in case you suddenly get sick tomorrow? If not, then what good is your policy? If you can't afford to make a claim, then it's not even worth the paper it's printed on. Get a system that people can afford.
UpperLimits
Active Member
+1.
Government needs to provide three things.
1) Military protection of territory.
2) Law and order of society.
3) A political environment where commerce can flourish.
In every other area of life they need to stay the heck out of the way and let people live their lives as they see fit.
That is just not true. Before the ACA there was a lot of people who could not buy insurance anywhere. Either because they could not afford it, or they had a pre-existing condition etc. And if the ACA is repealed this will be the situation again.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
A great many that need insurance and have gotten it through the ACA typically are lower income people and families. Have you actually checked out how much the cost would be if you buy insurance from a private provider? My son did and he couldn't afford it.
Under the ACA, the rate of medical inflation has been less than it was for the eight years previous to its passage whereas it had almost doubled.
A single-payer system, such as Medicare, is actually more efficient and would bring costs down. And then with that, there are ways of having competition between private companies using single-payer, such as the systems found in Germany and Denmark, both of which have universal coverage for substantially less than what we pay here in the States.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Such as?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Constitution of the United States - We the People
There's a lot more found within than just those three categories.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
How about health insurance? Is that in there somewhere?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
There's no provision in the Constitution that stops it, and that even includes the mandate according to the SCOTUS.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
So how about for food? Shouldn't that also be a right? Or shelter?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'm no longer in playing this game, especially since I answered your questions and provided you with a link to the Constitution, the latter of which you must have either ignored or maybe actually read it and realized you were barking up the wrong tree.
UpperLimits
Active Member
Bull.
Government Medicare only seems cheaper because the cost is deeply hidden in your taxes and it's not a direct out of pocket expense. You're only looking at this from the perspective of what it costs you personally. I'm looking at it from the perspective of what it REALLY COSTS an entire nation - Where somebody else is always picking up YOUR slack. And the end game is like that of Greece; Bankruptcy.
In all fairness I should probably tell you I'm NOT an American. I do however live in a country that has government medicare - and if you actually believe it's cheaper then I suggest you take a math class. Something that includes addition and multiplication might be helpful for you. Because that's exactly what happens to the cost of government services. The cost adds up and multiplies!
In the jurisdiction where I live, the past two decades has seen health-care spending has increase by over 300%. This has been outpacing population growth, inflation, growth in government spending on other programs, and provincial economic growth. Subsequently, while health-care spending consumed 34.1 per cent of the province’s budget in 1998, it ended up consuming 42 per cent of total program spending in 2015. And there's NO end in sight.
You simply cannot give all things to all people. A nation cannot afford it. No nation can. Trump was right to put an end to Obama's foolishness before it got too far along. I think it's important to note though that the problem was not what Obama did - but the way he was doing it.
That being said, I'm a Liberal at heart and I believe in helping others. A reasonable way needs to be pursued to help those who cannot afford health care. And I'm in agreement with a lot of liberals: nobody deserves to lose their home or life savings just because they happen to become ill. Let's see what your fearless leader can come up with.
UpperLimits
Active Member
Whoever said I was talking about the constitution? I merely stated my personal view.
UpperLimits
Active Member
Such an amazing skill for avoiding the obvious. Spoken like a true left winger!
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
17% of our GDP goes into healthcare, whereas the next highest industrialized county has it a bit over 12%, and the latter has universal coverage. You might actually check out the W.H.O. website on some of this information.
Also, since you seemingly prefer to throw insults out instead of facts, you can post what you want but I have no interest in engaging you on this or any other thread. And you actually might want to reread your Bible about using insulting language, such as this verse:
Micah 6[8] He has showed you, O man, what is good;
and what does the LORD require of you
but to do justice, and to love kindness,
and to walk humbly with your God?
Akivah
Well-Known Member
That's it, Metis? @UpperLimits is making sense and you respond by quoting scripture? He didn't even make any insults, he's just presenting facts.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
The only thing I would add to that would be
4) A judiciary to adjudicate state vs state issues.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
And replace it with what as to not kick 20 million people off of insurance and screw up the markets...?
Much of the structure of the ACA is a conservative plan which might be why they're having a hard time coming up with something else..OR...they never really were going to come up with something else to begin with.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
Having insurance is not a right, nor should it be provided by our government.
Our markets did just fine before Obamacare and they''ll do just fine after its repealed.