For all Trump Supporters

[Akivah]

I'm saying some have a habit of looking out for their own. I've seen no indication from this current administration through executive orders or bills making their way through congress of having any positive affect for the people. And I don't see that draining of the swamp he reluctantly endorsed and ran on as happening. With the current picks it's been the opposite.

It's not even been a month yet, let alone the 1st 100 days review. The so-called swamp has been there for decades. Give the man a chance.

 

[esmith]

Why would you have such animosity toward successful people?

for that reason probably

 

[BSM1]

No they don't. Most of the EC have nothing to do with the will of the people. At what point did the people express and interest for Bannon to be on the NSC.

From your post I have to surmise that you have little if any idea as to what you are talking about. Peace out.

 

[Revoltingest]

You really have to wait and see?

Can I see without waiting?

You mean to tell me after all your careful vetting of him against Clinton you don't see him worse with the cronyism. I mean pretty much the majority of his top cabinet picks are Goldman Sachs millionaires/billionaires, his secretary of state is an Exxon Mobile millionaire, his pick for department of education is a multimillionaire. His executive orders and the bills coming out of the republican lead congress are engineered to further put money in the pockets of the rich at the financial expense of the people. I mean I realized some of his motives long ago when he began campaigning. But unlike him who signs the executive orders I've actually read many of them as well as some of the bills congress has in store for us...and they have a stink of cronyism on them.

He needs people with experience.
The question is what they'll do with it.
The show is only just now starting, & you already have the whole plot figured out.
Hubris!

 

[Revoltingest]

But you can't count a negative here in regards to the election. Those who stayed home don't count nor are they really all that important to the discussion because we can't know who they would have voted for. It's safe to say that if they didn't want Hillary they sure as heck didn't want Trump....

How convenient that you say half of eligible voters who eschewed Hilda don't count when claiming support for her.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

It's not even been a month yet, let alone the 1st 100 days review. The so-called swamp has been there for decades. Give the man a chance.

You can't be serious. A chance for what exactly? The chance was given prior to his election. He made his case for a government for the people and ran on a campaign of draining the swamp. He has done the opposite. Sure the swamp has been there but his message was one that was totally opposite of Clinton. He chastised her over her affiliation with anything to do with Goldman Sachs etc. but what he's stocked his team with are the exact same types of people. So far they're proposing to roll back various consumer protections and other financial regulations that contributed to some of the mess we were in years ago. Keep an eye on the new Sec. Of State. I suspect sanctions will be lifted on Russia soon. Exxon has the drilling rights to 64 Million acres there.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

From your post I have to surmise that you have little if any idea as to what you are talking about. Peace out.

You said the Executive Orders are the will of the people. It's a statement you haven't qualified. To my knowledge no one on the left or the right expressed any forethought on that. That was totally a move from his administration.

How convenient that you say half of eligible voters who eschewed Hilda don't count when claiming support for her.

Where did I express any support for Hillary in my response. LOL!!

Your claim consistently states they stayed home and didn't vote for her. So what....They stayed home and didn't vote for Trump either. And since they didn't vote and we can't know who they would have voted for what's the since of pointing it out. Seems the people hated the choices equally enough to not vote for those two nor were Johnson and Stein convincing enough for them to give their vote to them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Where did I express any support for Hillary in my response. LOL!!

It's in the thought bubble over your head....the one you thought was secret.

Your claim consistently states they stayed home and didn't vote for her. So what....They stayed home and didn't vote for Trump either. And since they didn't vote and we can't know who they would have voted for what's the since of pointing it out. Seems the people hated the choices equally enough to not vote for those two nor were Johnson and Stein convincing enough for them to give their vote to them.

Exactly!
They didn't really want either candidate.

Although Johnson saw historic high voting for a Libertarian candidate....3.28% is the best ever!
So while the voting public dislikes us, at least they're warming up to us.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Can I see without waiting?

He needs people with experience.
The question is what they'll do with it.
The show is only just now starting, & you already have the whole plot figured out.
Hubris!

I remember you and I talking about executive orders under Obama and your position then without any foresight was a concern of the EO and what effect(s) going forward it would have. I'm applying the same here with Trump's EO's here. Am I not allowed to take the same position as you...

 

[Dirty Penguin]

It's in the thought bubble over your head....the one you thought was secret.

Exactly!
They didn't really want either candidate.

Although Johnson saw historic high voting for a Libertarian candidate....3.28% is the best ever!
So while the voting public dislikes us, at least they're warming up to us.

I for one was happy to see him on the ballot.

 

[Revoltingest]

I remember you and I talking about executive orders under Obama and your position then without any foresight was a concern of the EO and what effect(s) going forward. I'm applying the same here with Trump's EO's here. Am I not allowed to take the same position as you...

I'm concerned about Trump's EOs too.
His immigration fiasco is.....a fiasco.

 

[BSM1]

You said the Executive Orders are the will of the people. It's a statement you haven't qualified. To my knowledge no one on the left or the right expressed any forethought on that. That was totally a move from his administration.

You are putting words in my virtual mouth; I never said any such thing.

 

[Akivah]

You can't be serious. A chance for what exactly?

A chance to fulfill his campaign promises. He's made a good start already. Next thing to do is dump Obamacare.

 

[metis]

He's made a good start already. Next thing to do is dump Obamacare.

So, having it that 20 million Americans will have their insurance stripped from them, plus the CBO saying that premium rates would jump if we did this, would be a good move, iyo?

 

[Akivah]

So, having it that 20 million Americans will have their insurance stripped from them, plus the CBO saying that premium rates would jump if we did this, would be a good move, iyo?

Of course. We've been down this road several times Metis. I don't believe it is the government's business to force us to have health care or to provide freebies to everyone. Hillary wanted to provide free college education and possibly free houses for everyone. The only thing such activities brings us is bankruptcy. I have no wish to follow the Greeks over the precipice.

Our government needs to do LESS, not more.

 

[metis]

I don't believe it is the government's business to force us to have health care or to provide freebies to everyone.

Health care under the ACA is not a "freebie", nor is it forced on those who already have health care. One thing it has done is to put a serious dent in the traffic of those who go to emergency rooms with sometimes just minor injuries while "freeloading" the system-- there's your "freebies" in terms of what so many of them were doing.

Hillary wanted to provide free college education and possibly free houses for everyone.

I don't know where you got the "free houses" from, but...

Prior to the ACA, according to two non-partisan studies, one by the Kaiser Family Foundation and the other by Harvard University, they estimated that around 40,000 Americans died prematurely because of not having health insurance, and a brother-in-law of mine was one of them. Even though the ACA definitely needs tweaking, to just eliminate it would be brutal.

By chance, did you catch the healthcare debate last night between Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders for almost two hours on CNN?

 

[metis]

The only thing such activities brings us is bankruptcy

Forgot to comment on this.

Extending Medicare/Medicaid to all actually would save us a ton of money as they operate at 3-5% overhead while insurance companies were averaging much higher (29%, if my memory is correct). Ours is the most expensive health-care system in the world, chewing up 17% of our GDP, and we still don't even have universal coverage. It's a for-profit system that sucks money out of patient's wallets.

 

[Revoltingest]

1) Trump gets credit for admitting Americastan has been a murderous country.
2) McCain gets demerits for denying it.
He even went to talk of Reagan's "shining city on a hill", utterly ignoring
the Gipper's part in murdering a million Iranians.
3) Trump gets credit for wanting more done to treat addicts.
4) But he loses it for continuing the War On Drugs.

A mixed bag so far.

 

[UpperLimits]

Take away California and Trump would have had a verifiable landslide. Sorry.

Actually, take away about 20 counties in California "and Trump would have had a verifiable landslide."

I wonder how many people realize that MOST of the state went republican? It was the cities that swayed the state, as well as the fact that California votes it's presidential nominee as a block.

 

[UpperLimits]

Just like you believe that Clinton only won in 1 or 2 states.
The ability of Trump supporters to believe in their "alternative facts" world is staggering.
Tom

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

If you zoom into the state view of the maps, even the states where Hillary won, it's a sea of red. The little blue dots are the major cities whose populations swayed the entire state. Remember also, that many states vote the presidential college as a block. IF it were to be done by county, Hillary would've been wiped off the map!!