For Christians. Was the flood real or just a myth?

[Subduction Zone]

We do know the account is recorded in Scripture for all to see.
ALL the people in the Bible are considered as real people, so that is how the God of the Bible backs them.
I find God backs Jesus, and Jesus backs the belief about Noah, etc.

No, only literalists make that error. Job was not a real person, Adam was not a real person, nor was Noah. You can treat the first two books as morality tales.

And Jesus never said that Noah was based upon a real person. He only made a statement on the order of "She is as old as the hills". And you are lucky that he did that. If he claimed that Noah was real then he would have been telling us that he was not divine.


Once again, you should be trying to learn why we know that the flood story is a myth.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

No, only literalists make that error. Job was not a real person, Adam was not a real person, nor was Noah. You can treat the first two books as morality tales.
And Jesus never said that Noah was based upon a real person. He only made a statement on the order of "She is as old as the hills". And you are lucky that he did that. If he claimed that Noah was real then he would have been telling us that he was not divine.
Once again, you should be trying to learn why we know that the flood story is a myth.

Right, Jesus taught at John 10:36 that he is God's Son, Jesus never taught he was God, but the Son of God.
Even the resurrected heavenly Jesus he still thinks he has a God over him according to Revelation 3:12.
I wonder what is your take on Jesus' words found at Matthew 24:37-38

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not a mafia boss, but more like a Benevolent Benefactor.
God's ' tree of life ' provides food and healing for earth's nations according to Revelation 22:2.

Wrong again, a Benevolent Benefactor does not say "believe or else". There is no difference between God coming up to you and saying "Pretty nice soul you have here, it would be awful if it was in eternal torment). What is the difference between that and a person saying "Nice business you have here, it would be terrible if it burned down".

I never said that all that is needed to go to heaven was following the Golden Rule.
Leviticus predates Jesus, but Jesus referred to Leviticus 19:18's Golden Rule.
Only those who are like the ones of Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 20:6 are called to heaven.
They have a first or earlier resurrection, whereas the majority of people are called to live forever on Earth.
Besides Leviticus' Golden Rule, Jesus gave us a New commandment found at John 13:34-35 to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as he has.

That is pretty weak version of the "Golden Rule". It only tells you not to seek revenge.

There is NO repenting at life's end for those of Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26 because they commit the unforgivable sin. No so-called death-bed repentance in Scripture. However, in a sense ' death ' is a get-out-of-jail-free card because if you notice Romans 6:23; Romans 6:7 that ' death ' (Not death plus anything else) is the price tag that forgivable sin pays. In other words, just as a governor can pardon a person so the crime charges No longer stick, Jesus can pardon a person so the sin charges No longer stick, thus allowing for a future resurrection to take place.

It's Not believe or get punished, but repent if you want to live forever. Repent if you do Not want to perish.
In other words, if you are wicked you will be gone forever - Psalms 92:7. The choice is ours to make.
God forces No one to serve him.

Not the sin that I was talking about. Yes, challenging the make believe god is the one "unforgivable" sin. That sort of petty behavior tells us that the God of the Bible is not real. But let's forget about the latter errors of the Bible for now. Once again, first things first. Let's discuss why we know that the flood story is a fairy tale.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Right, Jesus taught at John 10:36 that he is God's Son, Jesus never taught he was God, but the Son of God.
Even the resurrected heavenly Jesus he still thinks he has a God over him according to Revelation 3:12.
I wonder what is your take on Jesus' words found at Matthew 24:37-38

I already told you. "As in the days of Noah" is on the same order as "She is as old as the hills".

Now since Jesus was probably just a man he may have believed the Noah's Ark myth. But that does not help you.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Wrong again, a Benevolent Benefactor does not say "believe or else". There is no difference between God coming up to you and saying "Pretty nice soul you have here, it would be awful if it was in eternal torment). What is the difference between that and a person saying "Nice business you have here, it would be terrible if it burned down".
That is pretty weak version of the "Golden Rule". It only tells you not to seek revenge.
Not the sin that I was talking about. Yes, challenging the make believe god is the one "unforgivable" sin. That sort of petty behavior tells us that the God of the Bible is not real. But let's forget about the latter errors of the Bible for now. Once again, first things first. Let's discuss why we know that the flood story is a fairy tale.

Eternal torment is a false religious-myth teaching. Eternal torment is the grim fairy tale
When KJV translated the word Gehenna into English as hellfire, that put in the flames.
Gehenna was just a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were 'destroyed' and Not kept burning forever.
So, Gehenna is a fitting symbol for: destruction.
Even sinner Satan will be destroyed ( Not roasted ) by Jesus according to Hebrews 2:14 B.
ALL the wicked ( Satan is wicked ) will be destroyed forever according to Psalms 92:7.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Eternal torment is a false religious-myth teaching. Eternal torment is the grim fairy tale
When KJV translated the word Gehenna into English as hellfire, that put in the flames.
Gehenna was just a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were 'destroyed' and Not kept burning forever.
So, Gehenna is a fitting symbol for: destruction.
Even sinner Satan will be destroyed ( Not roasted ) by Jesus according to Hebrews 2:14 B.
ALL the wicked ( Satan is wicked ) will be destroyed forever according to Psalms 92:7.

There is more than one version of the afterlife in the Bible. All one has to do is to pick and choose which verses to believe.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I already told you. "As in the days of Noah" is on the same order as "She is as old as the hills".
Now since Jesus was probably just a man he may have believed the Noah's Ark myth. But that does not help you.

Sure, it helps me because Jesus, besides many Bible writers, believed Noah to be a real person.
I notice that Noah was more than an Ark builder because at 2 Peter 2:5 Noah was also a preacher.
In other words, Noah warned the people in advance as we warn people in advance about the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14. However, No Ark needed but to follow the instructions found at Isaiah 26:20.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sure, it helps me because Jesus, besides many Bible writers, believed Noah to be a real person.
I notice that Noah was more than an Ark builder because at 2 Peter 2:5 Noah was also a preacher.
In other words, Noah warned the people in advance as we warn people in advance about the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14. However, No Ark needed but to follow the instructions found at Isaiah 26:20.

Yes, there are quite a few ignorant and even dishonest people in the world. So what?

And quote mining the Bible is not only dishonest, for a Christian it should be blasphemous. I don't take such quote mines any more seriously than you would take the quote mines from the Bible that tell us "There is no God". Twelve different times by the way.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

There is more than one version of the afterlife in the Bible. All one has to do is to pick and choose which verses to believe.

I find afterlife means being more alive after death than before death.
That is Not what Jesus, nor the rest of Scripture, teaches.
At death there is No life. No life, No consciousness, but just un-conscious sleep.
That is why Jesus and the old Hebrew Scriptures teach sleep in death:
( Psalms 6:5; 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14)
That means while dead Jesus was in 'biblical hell' (grave) he would be in a sleep-like state - Acts 2:27.
So, we either pick and choose to believe what the Bible really teaches, or choose a false clergy teaching.
False clergy often use ' fire ' as a scare tactic to try to control the flock. As you can see they fail.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yes, there are quite a few ignorant and even dishonest people in the world. So what?
And quote mining the Bible is not only dishonest, for a Christian it should be blasphemous. I don't take such quote mines any more seriously than you would take the quote mines from the Bible that tell us "There is no God". Twelve different times by the way.

... and who is the person who says, " There is No God " as found at Psalms 14:1. Where are the other 11 times.

 

[Subduction Zone]

... and who is the person who says, " There is No God " as found at Psalms 14:1. Where are the other 11 times.

Yep, that is the most common one used. The others are on the same order. Verses taken out of context are worthless in a debate. You should be able to find them. If you can't after we talk about the flood myth I will find them for you.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yep, that is the most common one used. The others are on the same order. Verses taken out of context are worthless in a debate. You should be able to find them. If you can't after we talk about the flood myth I will find them for you.

I did look in my comprehensive concordance and I can Not find those other eleven verses outside of Psalms 14:1.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I did look in my comprehensive concordance and I can Not find those other eleven verses outside of Psalms 14:1.

Well now you have one more reason to learn why there was no flood.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Please, no false claims. Let's go over the fact that by claiming the flood is real that you are calling your God a liar.

Or do you merely want to continue to run away?

I'm not running away from anything, But your the one running away. Avoiding to answer the questions. Your just stuck in your little bubble world.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm not running away from anything, But your the one running away. Avoiding to answer the questions. Your just stuck in your little bubble world.

How is the real world a bubble world. You live in a world of fantasy and you are running away from the discussion.

Why are you afraid to learn how and why we know that the Flood story is a myth?

 

[metis]

I thought that ark was a scaled-down model. Either way God was backing Noah.

It can be taken allegorically as it appears that it's most likely to be based on a Babylonian narrative but then modified to reflect Jewish teachings and beliefs. The importance of the Flood narrative is not whether it happened historically but what exactly are those teaching and beliefs, the latter of which are quite usable today.

 

[Faithofchristian]

How is the real world a bubble world. You live in a world of fantasy and you are running away from the discussion.

Why are you afraid to learn how and why we know that the Flood story is a myth?

Well for one thing the flood of Noah's didn't cover the whole earth.

The flood of Noah's only covered a certain area to where Noah and his family were at and the wickedness of man was concentrated at.

So why destroy the whole earth for just one certain area, Since the wickedness of man was only concentrated in one certain area on the earth ?

There is no where Written that the flood of Noah's as covering the whole earth.

It's Written that the flood would come upon the earth, So where else could the flood be, other than on the earth.
But that doesn't mean the flood of Noah's covered the whole earth.

But however there was a flood that did cover the whole earth, and it sure wasn't the flood of Noah's either.

This flood of water which was Millions of years before the flood of Noah's, Is what destroyed the whole earth Millions of years ago, Along with volcanoes and an asteroid hitting the earth is what destroyed the earth and the dinosaurs Millions of years ago.

Unto which is recorded in the bible. If a person knows what to listen for and look for in the Bible. It's all there.

Even scientist will prove that with volcanoes and a asteroid hitting the earth, and a flood of water, is what destroyed the earth Millions of years ago.

So what you have is, the asteroid hitting the earth, which caused the eruption of volcanoes and the ocean's to over flood the earth.

So you have 3 elements ( 1st the Asteroid )
( 2nd Volcanoes ) ( 3rd the Ocean's ) destroying the whole earth and the dinosaurs Millions of years ago. All these things happen way before the flood of Noah's.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well for one thing the flood of Noah's didn't cover the whole earth.

How big was it? Did it kill off everyone except for Noah and family? How about the animals? Your interpretation is already different from what the Bible says.

The flood of Noah's only covered a certain area to where Noah and his family were at and the wickedness of man was concentrated at.

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How could the "wickedness of man" be concentrated? And if it was just a local flood why weren't those men smart enough to go uphill?

So why destroy the whole earth for just one certain area, Since the wickedness of man was only concentrated in one certain area on the earth ?

But the Bible does not say or imply that. And where were these men?

There is no where Written that the flood of Noah's as covering the whole earth.

Actually there is, it is in Genesis. You should read it some time.

It's Written that the flood would come upon the earth, So where else could the flood be, other than on the earth.
But that doesn't mean the flood of Noah's covered the whole earth.

You are reading some weird translation. What version of the Bible do you prefer?

But however there was a flood that did cover the whole earth, and it sure wasn't the flood of Noah's either.

Nope, that never happened either, but wait a minute, let me get my popcorn . . . Okay, go ahead.

This flood of water which was Millions of years before the flood of Noah's, Is what destroyed the whole earth Millions of years ago, Along with volcanoes and an asteroid hitting the earth is what destroyed the earth and the dinosaurs Millions of years ago.

Umm, no. The asteroid that hit the Earth and was the final blow to the non-avian dinosaurs, remember not all dinosaurs died off, did not flood the entire Earth. Where did you get that idea from?

Unto which is recorded in the bible. If a person knows what to listen for and look for in the Bible. It's all there.

Nope, it is not in the Bible, which is lucky for you.

Even scientist will prove that with volcanoes and a asteroid hitting the earth, and a flood of water, is what destroyed the earth Millions of years ago.

No, the Earth was not destroyed. The Deccan Traps in India did cause massive climate change that did have an adverse effect on many species, and the asteroid that struck roughly 65 million years ago finished off the dinosaurs, but the Earth was not "destroyed". Many species lived right through it, among them our distant ancestors.

Let's forget your inability to understand geology for right now and let's hear your interpretation of the Ark myth.

Were Noah and family the only ones left?

 

[Faithofchristian]

How big was it? Did it kill off everyone except for Noah and family? How about the animals? Your interpretation is already different from what the Bible says.

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How could the "wickedness of man" be concentrated? And if it was just a local flood why weren't those men smart enough to go uphill?



But the Bible does not say or imply that. And where were these men?



Actually there is, it is in Genesis. You should read it some time.




You are reading some weird translation. What version of the Bible do you prefer?



Nope, that never happened either, but wait a minute, let me get my popcorn . . . Okay, go ahead.



Umm, no. The asteroid that hit the Earth and was the final blow to the non-avian dinosaurs, remember not all dinosaurs died off, did not flood the entire Earth. Where did you get that idea from?



Nope, it is not in the Bible, which is lucky for you.



No, the Earth was not destroyed. The Deccan Traps in India did cause massive climate change that did have an adverse effect on many species, and the asteroid that struck roughly 65 million years ago finished off the dinosaurs, but the Earth was not "destroyed". Many species lived right through it, among them our distant ancestors.

Let's forget your inability to understand geology for right now and let's hear your interpretation of the Ark myth.

Were Noah and family the only ones left?

For some reason everyone seems to think, that the flood of Noah's was the only flood to ever come upon the earth.

Unto which it wasn't. The flood of Noah's was only concentrated only in one area on the earth. And not the whole earth it's self.

 

[Subduction Zone]

For some reason everyone seems to think, that the flood of Noah's was the only flood to ever come upon the earth.

Unto which it wasn't. The flood of Noah's was only concentrated only in one area on the earth. And not the whole earth it's self.

You dodged the question. There have been many local floods on the Earth, but never one worldwide flood.

Was Noah and family the only survivors? If the flood was local then why didn't people walk uphill? And this is rather important:

Why can we see evidence of smaller floods, but we can't find evidence of a flood that would have 'killed off the ebil" at all?