For Parents: If God Told You To...

[rusra02]

If you're trying to draw an analogy, it's a rather poor one.

Really? I don't think the analogy is a poor one. How many young people have been sacrificed to the god of war? People sacrifice their children by aborting them, often for the sake of convenience or career. Others deprive their children of food and clothing to buy drugs for their own enjoyment. While our love for God should be stronger than even our love for our children, God does not command us to sacrifice them. As mentioned in previous posts, he stopped Abraham from completing the sacrifice of Isaac, showing God never intended for this sacrifice to occur. On the other hand, God did show his superlative love in providing his only-begotten Son as a sacrifice for sins. (John 3:16) Any loving parent should be able to appreciate what that sacrifice cost God.

 

[helpmeplease]

Who was Jesus sacrificed too?

 

[rusra02]

Who was Jesus sacrificed too?

Jesus willingly allowed himself to be sacrificed as a sinless, perfect man, and this was according to God's will.(1 Timothy 2:6) Hebrews 9:11-14 shows Jesus presented this sacrifice to God, as a legal basis for God to forgive sins and grant everlasting life to sinful mankind, even as Jesus said at John 3:16.

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[BobbyisStrange]

No i cannot sacrifice the thing which is not my own property ?

So if God told you to sacrifice its propert back to it, and this property just so happened to be your child, would you do it?

 

[BobbyisStrange]

Usually when people beg and pray for another way, its not going willfully

Matthew 26:39
39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
</SPAN>Mark 14:36
36 “Abba, Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.”</SPAN>
Luke 22:42
42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”
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[helpmeplease]

Jesus willingly allowed himself to be sacrificed as a sinless, perfect man, and this was according to God's will.(1 Timothy 2:6) Hebrews 9:11-14 shows Jesus presented this sacrifice to God, as a legal basis for God to forgive sins and grant everlasting life to sinful mankind, even as Jesus said at John 3:16.

At last.
The sacrifice was made to god so that this all forgiving god had an excuse to forgive and withdraw the penalty he imposed on mankind for the unintentional (on Adams part) mistake the same god set him up to make. Is this also the god who is love?
What's even better is that he planned this sacrifice, of his son, to himself, before he created anything at all. Is this also the god who is love?
Are you serious that god needed a legal reason to do these things? And that legal reason was a human sacrifice? Do you speak any language other than absurd?

 

[Father Heathen]

Really? I don't think the analogy is a poor one. How many young people have been sacrificed to the god of war?

If you meant that literally, no one here is condoning human sacrifice, obviously. If you meant that figuratively, as in modern day wars, soldiers willingly volunteer for the service, so no comparison there.

People sacrifice their children by aborting them, often for the sake of convenience or career.

Fetuses lack the qualities that define personhood. They aren't "children".

Others deprive their children of food and clothing to buy drugs for their own enjoyment.

Such people are horrible human beings, but again, how is this relevant to the topic at hand?

While our love for God should be stronger than even our love for our children, God does not command us to sacrifice them.

You people make god seem as if he has serious ego/emotional issues.

As mentioned in previous posts, he stopped Abraham from completing the sacrifice of Isaac, showing God never intended for this sacrifice to occur.

That's all still beside the point.

On the other hand, God did show his superlative love in providing his only-begotten Son as a sacrifice for sins. (John 3:16) Any loving parent should be able to appreciate what that sacrifice cost God.

What exactly did it cost god? What did god "lose"?

 

[Father Heathen]

Jesus willingly allowed himself to be sacrificed as a sinless, perfect man, and this was according to God's will.(1 Timothy 2:6) Hebrews 9:11-14 shows Jesus presented this sacrifice to God, as a legal basis for God to forgive sins and grant everlasting life to sinful mankind, even as Jesus said at John 3:16.

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The idea that god sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself and to save something he created from something he created is quite simply nonsensical.

 

[helpmeplease]

The idea that god sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself and to save something he created from something he created is quite simply nonsensical.

:clap:clap:clap:clap

 

[BobbyisStrange]

The idea that god sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself and to save something he created from something he created is quite simply nonsensical.

This is my favorite way to explain the Jesus crucifixion to Christians. Bravo!

 

[Me Myself]

What about you first letting us know what you've read on the Akedah (other than the material culled by surfing the internet in response to this post)?

It´s supposed to be an educational forum.

Why don´t you just ditch the "I am so much savvy than you on this" attitude and teach us?

 

[waitasec]

What about you first letting us know what you've read on the Akedah (other than the material culled by surfing the internet in response to this post)?

come on....

put an end to this because it looks like you're avoiding the question.

 

[Nooj]

This question is aimed at theists...If your God came to you and commanded that you sacrifice your child to him/her/it or them, would you do it?

can i answer the op's question if i don't self identify as a theist?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

We have the luxury of viewing this from the 21st century. We know more of the story than Abraham knew.

Yes: we know that God was going to stop Abraham. He didn't - he fully expect to have to "gut his kid", as Hitchens put it. Yet we're supposed to think of him as an admirable man, not a would-be child murderer?

The bible is full of imagery that is layered - Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his own son - God's willingness to sacrifice His own son - for starters. God's grace toward Abraham and his son - and the promise that the sacrifice is complete and we won't be asked to do the same.

What grace did God show to Abraham? All he "saved" Isaac from was a situation of God's own design. The story shows God cruelly messing with Abraham and Isaac - putting them through mental and emotional torture, effectively - and we're supposed to take it as a happy tale just because God doesn't follow through and have Isaac killed?

If I were to send a hit man to your house but at the last moment, call him off so nobody dies, would you feel thankful or angry toward me?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What about you first letting us know what you've read on the Akedah (other than the material culled by surfing the internet in response to this post)?

Ah - I see: we have to prequalify for you to determine whether we're worthy to receive the opinions of the Great Jay.

Whatever - from what you said earlier, I thought you might have something meaningful to contribute. My mistake. Go back to sniping.

 

[helpmeplease]

God doesn't use waterboarding to kill, he only uses it to convince the victim he's going to kill.

 

[BobbyisStrange]

can i answer the op's question if i don't self identify as a theist?

By all means, answer!

 

[Storm]

This question is aimed at theists...If your God came to you and commanded that you sacrifice your child to him/her/it or them, would you do it?

Panentheist, not theist proper, so any 'God' capable of such a thing would be dismissed as a mere spirit.

But to answer honestly, absolutely NOT! Not only would I refuse, I would utterly turn my back on such a capricious God as unworthy of my devotion.

 

[helpmeplease]

Panentheist, not theist proper, so any 'God' capable of such a thing would be dismissed as a mere spirit.

But to answer honestly, absolutely NOT! Not only would I refuse, I would utterly turn my back on such a capricious God as unworthy of my devotion.

And I think that this is the entire crux of Bobby's thread. There are believers who believe that this story is an example of their gods love, just as they believe that the sacrifice of his own son to himself was a demonstration of his love. Those of us who can think for ourselves see these stories for the abominations that they are.

 

[chinu]

So if God told you to sacrifice GIVE its propert back to it, and this property just so happened to be your child, would you do it?

Firstly.. than it is to be said as GIVE insted of SACRIFICE, and if it just happend to be my own child, than who am i stop god ? i should bear this normally insted of any sorrowness.