For those claiming to be Christians who don't believe that Jesus is G-d...

[roger1440]

"I and the Father are one." John 10:30

 

[roger1440]

The Jesus of the synoptic Gospels portrays Jesus from a slightly different angle than that of the Gospel of John. In the synoptics Jesus is the union of Israel and God. In John’s Gospel, Jesus is God.

 

[Matityahu ben Avraham]

Twelve times in the Gospel of John, Jesus uses the phrase "I am". That's the name God told Moses. "Tell them I am sent you."

You have a 2-fold problem with your argument. 1. "I AM" is NOT the name of God. Genesis 3 tells us that the name of G-d is is "YHVH".
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to the children of Yisra’ĕl, ‘יהוה Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaʽaqoḇ, has sent me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all generations.’

2. Yeshua not ONCE called himself "I Am" in fact, the greek underlying that phrase (Ego Eimi) isn't even a title, it's a pronoun and a verb, whith the phrase modifying other words. (such as when The angel spoke to Mary and said, "Ego Eimi Gabriel". This phrase is often translated as "I am Gabriel" there the phrase "Ego Eimi" is modifying the Noun "Gariel" the speaking is self identifying himself as Gabriel.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Since this is the Abrahamic DIR and I'm Abrahamic (my father's name is Abraham btw but I don't think it makes a difference hehe) I'll impose and ask a question to my Christian friends. I saw some posts saying that Jesus is divine and to be worshiped, and the Father is not. If the Father the creator of Jesus or something of similar importance? If so, isn't the Father the one worthy of the worship more that Jesus?

I'm confused here!

Note:
I didn't make a vote since I'm not Christian, and to not ruin the statistic.

 

[Desert Snake]

Since this is the Abrahamic DIR and I'm Abrahamic (my father's name is Abraham btw but I don't think it makes a difference hehe) I'll impose and ask a question to my Christian friends. I saw some posts saying that Jesus is divine and to be worshiped, and the Father is not. If the Father the creator of Jesus or something of similar importance? If so, isn't the Father the one worthy of the worship more that Jesus?

I'm confused here!

Note:
I didn't make a vote since I'm not Christian, and to not ruin the statistic.

That's fine I posted the thread in this DIR for that reason. It also allows me to discuss things on the thread, and also allows any Abrahamic religionist to discuss things.
I don't know of any Xians who say that. Even the Xians who think that Jesus is God still worship God in His complete form, i.e. He is the father and the Son.

p.s. there is that idea that you presented actually but it's pretty rare I believe, it isn't standard for most churches and believers.
pps When I say 'Jesus is God', I'm not saying the father doesn't exist, it means I worship Jesus as the Deity, they are literally the same. There isn't a 'separate' personality of Jesus to God, it's the same being.

 

[Smart_Guy]

That's fine I posted the thread in this DIR for that reason. It also allows me to discuss things on the thread, and also allows any Abrahamic religionist to discuss things.
I don't know of any Xians who say that. Even the Xians who think that Jesus is God still worship God in His complete form, i.e. He is the father and the Son.

p.s. there is that idea that you presented actually but it's pretty rare I believe, it isn't standard for most churches and believers.
pps When I say 'Jesus is God', I'm not saying the father doesn't exist, it means I worship Jesus as the Deity, they are literally the same. There isn't a 'separate' personality of Jesus to God, it's the same being.

Okay, thanks

I'm confused, are Jewish or Christian?

 

[Desert Snake]

Lol it looks complicated but it all makes sense with a little research.

 

[Desert Snake]

Okay, thanks

I'm confused, are Jewish or Christian?

That's definitely Xian.

 

[dawny0826]

again, what does "rejecting Christ as Savior" have ANYTHING to do with others rejecting him as G-d? You do realzie that you can do the latter and NOT do the former right? And the question. And yes, people of other Abrahamic religions (like Judaism and Islam) are going to criticize your acceptance of the Trinity, it makes sense, they are NON-TRINITARIAN faiths BY DEFINITION. The issue in this thread is about CHRISTIAN groups who BELIEVE Yeshua is Messiah and a savior but reject him as G-d.

Clearly, I have NO ISSUE with those who reject Christ as God.

What I have stated now, more than once, is that I do not consider one who rejects Christ as Savior to be a Christian. The majority of Christian faiths accept Christ as Savior, regardless their views on the Trinity.

Does that make sense now? I've made no claims that one has to be Trinitarian to be a Christian.

 

[nazz]

Twelve times in the Gospel of John, Jesus uses the phrase "I am". That's the name God told Moses. "Tell them I am sent you."

That's just an interpretation though and a dubious one. Jesus never states his name is "I Am".

 

[nazz]

Jesus's last words were "It is finished". His work is done. Same with God in the creation story.

I find that a HUGE stretch

 

[Matityahu ben Avraham]

Clearly, I have NO ISSUE with those who reject Christ as God.

What I have stated now, more than once, is that I do not consider one who rejects Christ as Savior to be a Christian. The majority of Christian faiths accept Christ as Savior, regardless their views on the Trinity.

Does that make sense now? I've made no claims that one has to be Trinitarian to be a Christian.

the thing is, that in this particular thread, that phrase is aboslutely meaningless. Especially when there doesn't exist anyone who rejects Jesus as savior who claims to be Christian. at least none that I'm aware of.

 

[dawny0826]

the thing is, that in this particular thread, that phrase is aboslutely meaningless. Especially when there doesn't exist anyone who rejects Jesus as savior who claims to be Christian. at least none that I'm aware of.

Then, what's your point?

You'e only restating what I just posted.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Then, what's your point?

Well there is a very big point in it. This one:

Hehe... heh... um... sorry

 

[roger1440]

That's just an interpretation though and a dubious one. Jesus never states his name is "I Am".

I find that a HUGE stretch

So all of this is a mere coincidence?

 

[nazz]

So all of this is a mere coincidence?

could be

 

[roger1440]

could be

If I was a gambler I would put my money that it's not a coincidence. Same would probably be true with all scholars.

 

[Thief]

I'm pressed for time at the moment.....so....

Jesus spoke of Himself to say....brother and fellow servant.
I should not add to that and it would further the distance already there.

He is reported having power over death, substance and natural forces.
As such he will be a Power to be reckoned with.

Even so...His own declaration indicates we can approach.

As for angelic and divine.......we should all endeavor as much.
We can't walk among the angelic without grace.
They won't allow it.

Neither do they allow a surrendered knee before them.

Your knee belongs to God.

 

[nazz]

If I was a gambler I would put my money that it's not a coincidence. Same would probably be true with all scholars.

All scholars? Nah. Most scholars doubt the authenticity of the Gospel of John.

 

[roger1440]

All scholars? Nah. Most scholars doubt the authenticity of the Gospel of John.

The authenticity isn't the topic. The message of John's Gospel is the topic, regardless who wrote it or if it is true or false.