steve293000
Member
Okay, lets say that's true. When demons speak they use the victim's vocal chords to speak. Maybe then they have to use the victim's eyes to see?
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For those who doubt the Ouija Board...
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Okay, lets say that's true. When demons speak they use the victim's vocal chords to speak. Maybe then they have to use the victim's eyes to see?
steve293000
Member
The Ouija board was not based on the idea that the subconscious of the players would come up with answers. Seances were VERY big at the end of the 19th century, and the occult in general was having much popularity at that time. The guy who invented it (Elijah Bond, I believe was his name) was feeding on this increased popularity of the occult, and was only one of many makers of "talking tables" of which his became the most popular. Don't get me wrong, however, I'm sure Bond could have cared less why people were buying it just as long as the money kept pouring in!
You are entitled to your opinion as to the existence of the supernatural but I have to set the record straight about the board's history that it came out of the fascination and popularity of the occult at the end of the 19th century.
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jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
blackout
Violet.
Divination methods can be toys and/or tools.
For some of us they are tools used primarily to help in matters of Personal Insight and reflection-
Self revelation/revealation-
as aids for a deeper understanding one's Own Psyche.
(and whatever 'spirits 'or 'ghosts' may reside there.
ie, 'spirit of love', 'spirit of giving', spirits that come in bottles, ghosts of regret, or christmas past etc)
The only thing shown or "proven" in the video BTW
is that there is no separate force pushing the glass externally.
There is a reason people are called mediums.
Just saying.
For some of us they are tools used primarily to help in matters of Personal Insight and reflection-
Self revelation/revealation-
as aids for a deeper understanding one's Own Psyche.
(and whatever 'spirits 'or 'ghosts' may reside there.
ie, 'spirit of love', 'spirit of giving', spirits that come in bottles, ghosts of regret, or christmas past etc)
The only thing shown or "proven" in the video BTW
is that there is no separate force pushing the glass externally.
There is a reason people are called mediums.
Just saying.
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blackout
Violet.
I would love it if you unpacked that a bit more Patty.
I don't use a Ouija board myself
as I don't find it (personally) engaging in any way,
and as such find it useless for Self Reflection.
Whether or not I could pull a known/knowable thing/fact
(ie, a fact I know-but cannot remember/access)
-like where I left my keys-
from my deeper hidden psyche
using such a tool
(like hypnosis)
I don't know.
I've never tried.
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apophenia
Well-Known Member
I found that radios and dictionaries were the best tools of divination. Ask a question and channel-surf talkback radio stations, it's awesome and infallible ! And dictionaries are great because they have most words in the language so they aren't biased.
On the subject of infallibility, the Bhagavad Gita says (chapter 15 verse 16) that there are two kinds of beings in the world - the fallible and the infallible ; all beings in the material world are called fallible, and all beings in a state of spiritual oneness are called infallible.
So obviously the ouija board always works if you are in an enlightened state ! So if it isn't working for you, don't blame the ouija board !
On the subject of infallibility, the Bhagavad Gita says (chapter 15 verse 16) that there are two kinds of beings in the world - the fallible and the infallible ; all beings in the material world are called fallible, and all beings in a state of spiritual oneness are called infallible.
So obviously the ouija board always works if you are in an enlightened state ! So if it isn't working for you, don't blame the ouija board !
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
There is absolutely no reason to think that divination is real.
Sure.
There is no reason to think that ghosts and spirits are real.
They also explain why people can easily move the glass without being consciously aware of doing so.
There is a reason people are called delusional.
Just sayin'...
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blackout
Violet.
Divination-
Spirits...
and Ghosts.
Some people need everything spelled out for them.
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apophenia
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I found that "Ironic Synchronicities/Coincidences " is a state one can learn, and the radio and dictionary are easy and convenient ways into that state. Kinda like I Ching, but not so constrained. Psychic muscles, lke physical muscles, respond to training, and also atrophy if unused.
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
So what you're actually trying to convince me is that you ONLY meant those words in their non-supernatural capacity? :sarcastic
Please, pull the other one.
It's got bells on it...
blackout
Violet.
Far be it for me to try and convince you of anything.
Now lets try reading again,
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
Nope.
Still sounds like supernatural overmystified woo.
If you didn't intend anything supernatural, just say so.
blackout
Violet.
Nope.
Still sounds like supernatural overmystified woo.
If you didn't intend anything supernatural, just say so.
Just proves that everyone reads into things
just/exactly/specifically what they want to read into them.
or
people see what they are inclined to see.
No one is exempt.
Some of us just realize that we do it.
(we all/each see through the spyglass of our own psyche)
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jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
Or maybe, some people use wishy-washy terms that can, in the extremes, mean anything under the sun, but which has a nice mystical ring to them and brings on associations of magic and the supernatural.
And some do that on purpose so that they can have an escape clause when they get pushed on the subject.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
I had one when I was a kid. It was one of my favorite toys for about a month. It sat around in the back of my room for a couple years until high school when I needed a surface to aid in manual cigarette rolling.
I had one weird experience with it. I supposedly contacted a guy named Bob. I swear I didn't move the heart thing myself. He said he would arrive around 11:30 pm the next night. I was kind of worried. He never showed, lucky me i guess.
I had one weird experience with it. I supposedly contacted a guy named Bob. I swear I didn't move the heart thing myself. He said he would arrive around 11:30 pm the next night. I was kind of worried. He never showed, lucky me i guess.
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steve293000
Member
I believe you! But how is it determined who gets these "gifts"? I was reading about a Shaman in South America and it seems they knew he was going to be a Shaman from an early age when the spirits started talking to him through animals. I've known witches who had real power, and I've known witches who had none to speak of. I just wonder why some get these "gifts" and others seeking them don't?
Hitchey
Member
I very much agree that we see what we want, all of us, and from something I read lately, I gather, studies show that the more we think about a given thing (in the positive sense) the more we are inclined to believe it. Yet, certain things are true and other things are not. The molecular structure of water is not really a matter of personal belief as the physical properties of pyramids say, or the claims attached to the Ouija board might be. Yet these things too have truths attached and I think there must be ways of determining those truths. Don't you think there must be double-blind experiments that can be constructed to determine if certain paranormal claims are true?
Personally, I once believed in many supernatural claims. I think one of the reasons I stopped believing is that all my attempts at interacting with the supernatural world fell flat. I can't claim to have had any supernatural experiences. No one can claim I didn't try, though many Christian conservatives have asserted I did not try hard enough (how would they know?).
It seems to me now that many accept supernatural claims without looking hard enough for alternative explanations. When we truly want to believe something it is my experience that we can be persuaded by the flimsiest of explanations. That was certainly true of me.