Brian2
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The Bible says that the Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son:
God's Son is one with the Father (I and my Father are one - John 10:30)
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
The Father is in the Son because Jesus was like a clear mirror reflecting God's attributes, and God became visible in the mirror, meaning that God is visible and manifest in Jesus.
But the Bible does not say that the Father became a man. The Christian doctrine of the Trinity says that.
No neither the Bible nor the trinity teaching say that the Father became a man.
The Father is in the Son because the Father is literally in the Son,,,,,,,,,,, just as the Son is literally in the Father.
Christ is literally in Christians (through the Holy Spirit) and the Father is literally in Christians through the Holy Spirit. Christians are spiritually joined to Jesus, the adopted children, and Christians are joined to each other, one, because we are all in Christ.
And no, that does not make us God, it make Christians into the one body of Christ. The Temple of God where God literally dwells.
No, the Bible never said anything about the Baha'i "Manifestations" of God because that had not been revealed at the time that the Bible was written. That was revealed by Baha'u'llah much later.
And 1Tim 3:16 is not about any Baha'i interpretation of "Manifestation of God".
The virgin birth is an 'official' Baha'i belief.
1637. Christ, Virgin Birth of
"First regarding the birth of Jesus Christ. In light of what Bahá’u’lláh and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá have stated concerning this subject it is evident that Jesus came into this world through the direct intervention of the Holy Spirit, and that consequently His birth was quite miraculous. This is an established fact, and the friends need not feel at all surprised, as the belief in the possibility of miracles has never been rejected in the Teachings. Their importance, however, has been minimized."
(From a letter dated December 31, 1937 written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer)
1639. Bahá’í Teachings in Agreement with Doctrines of Catholic Church Concerning the Virgin Birth
"With regard to your question concerning the Virgin Birth of Jesus: On this point, as on several others, the Bahá’í Teachings are in full agreement with the doctrines of the Catholic Church. In the 'Kitáb-i-Íqán' (Book of Certitude) p. 56, and in a few other Tablets still unpublished, Bahá’u’lláh confirms, however indirectly, the Catholic conception of the Virgin Birth. Also ‘Abdu’l-Bahá in the 'Some Answered Questions', Chap. XII, p. 73, explicitly states that 'Christ found existence through the Spirit of God' which statement necessarily implies, when viewed in the light of the text, that Jesus was not the son of Joseph."
(From a letter dated October 14, 1945 written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer)
Lights of Guidance/Christ - Bahaiworks, a library of works about the Bahá’í Faith
So @shunyadragon is wrong about this and Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus according to Baha'i.
Lights of Guidance/Christ - Bahaiworks, a library of works about the Bahá’í Faith
The Bible says that God's Son is one with the Father (I and my Father are one - John 10:30) but the Bible does not say that God's Son became a human. The latter is only a Christian doctrine.
It can appear that way, and that Jesus became God's Son when He became a man.
We do however see that God made the universe through the Son (Heb 1:2), so He was the Son or a Son before becoming a man.
And we know that He was not created because all created things came through Him.
So He had no beginning and was the Son of God in the beginning.
Jesus has many attributes of God the Father, but Jesus was not exactly like His Father because Jesus did not have ALL the attributes of His Father.
Certain attributes are unique to God. Only God is Sovereign, Eternal, Holy, All-Powerful, All-Knowing, All-Wise, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, Omnipresent, Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, and Immaterial, so nobody except God can have those attributes.
One of God's other attributes is Infallible, and the Manifestations of God also have this attribute.
Some of God's other attributes are Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Righteous, Forgiving, Patient. The Manifestations of God also have these attributes.
The Bible says Jesus is the image of the invisible God (Col 1:15,16) and that before He became a man He was in the form of God (Phil 2:6) and it seems that this was something that made Him equal to God.
When He became a man He was still the same person but did not use His God attributes. God qualities otoh are things that He just has as the same person He was,,,,,,,,,,, iow He did not loose what you call His "other attributes" just because He became a man. ( Some of God's other attributes are Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Righteous, Forgiving, Patient.)
You even say that the Manifestations of God also have these attributes.
And a perfect human can have these attributes, so being the Divine Son of God did not mean that He was a Demigod with superhuman powers, as @shunyadragon supposes. He was an example of a perfect human.
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