Forced Conversion

[Kemosloby]

Oh, really?

One example from my country:




A history of residential schools in Canada

Archbishops...basically the same as Catholics. You can include them, Only Catholics and Anglicans ever forced anyone to convert.

 

[Spiderman]

I would try to get martyred and put out of my misery...

 

[DavidFirth]

Being forced to convert is a bit of an oxymoron. The people so converted are just going to hate what they've been forced to convert to all the more.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Nobody was ever forced to convert to Christianity, only to Catholicism.

Catholics did that not Christians.

That is odd since the first Roman pope started in 10 AD according to Wikipedia.

 

[Jumi]

Being forced to convert is a bit of an oxymoron. The people so converted are just going to hate what they've been forced to convert to all the more.

The first generation may hate it, but some generations later it becomes the norm.

 

[Jumi]

Archbishops...basically the same as Catholics. You can include them, Only Catholics and Anglicans ever forced anyone to convert.

There's more, if you consider taking away kids from pagans and teaching them Jesus forced conversion.

 

[rosends]

Forced conversion has historical precedents from Abrahamic faiths all the way to Hinduism.

If an authority arrived today and made it mandatory that you convert to a faith that has been branded the only legal religion and forbade you to continue your current religious practices and beliefs, what actions would you take? Would you abandon your current religious beliefs to remain within the confines of the law? Would you defy the authority and continue you current practices? Would you follow the only legal faith publicly but continue to practice your current faith in private? Why?

I'd move.

 

[DavidFirth]

The first generation may hate it, but some generations later it becomes the norm.

Maybe. But that first generation can't help but pass on their resentment.

 

[Kemosloby]

There's more, if you consider taking away kids from pagans and teaching them Jesus forced conversion.

Who did that?

 

[DavidFirth]

Who did that?

Catholics did stuff like that in the Middle Ages.

 

[Kemosloby]

Catholics did stuff like that in the Middle Ages.

Right Catholics did those things but all these people complaining about the oppresive Christians seem to love the pope, go figure.

 

[Jumi]

Who did that?

Lutherans.

 

[Jumi]

Maybe. But that first generation can't help but pass on their resentment.

That maybe part of the reason why people didn't fully embrace the new religion.

 

[Kemosloby]

Lutherans.

Oh really. When where?

 

[Vouthon]

We can see forced conversion in North Korea, forced to become Atheists or at least keep any thing else hidden.

Nobody was ever forced to convert to Christianity, only to Catholicism. If forced to convert to Catholicism or Atheism I would do the only honorable thing and hang myself.

What a load of historical revisionist bollocks.

Even a cursory glance at recorded history demonstrates that both Protestants and Catholics participated in savage persecution of minority groups, for instance the pacifist Anabaptists:

Anabaptism - Wikipedia

Anabaptists were heavily persecuted during the 16th century and into the 17th century by both Magisterial Protestants and Roman Catholics,[a] largely because of their interpretation of scripture which put them at odds with official state church interpretations and with government. Most Anabaptists adhered to a literal interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount which precluded taking oaths, participating in military actions, and participating in civil government...

Roman Catholics and Protestants alike persecuted the Anabaptists, resorting to torture and execution in attempts to curb the growth of the movement. The Protestants under Zwingli were the first to persecute the Anabaptists, with Felix Manz becoming the first martyr in 1527. On May 20 or 21st, 1527, Roman Catholic authorities executed Michael Sattler.[38] King Ferdinand declared drowning (called the third baptism) "the best antidote to Anabaptism". The Tudor regime, even the Protestant monarchs (Edward VI of England and Elizabeth I of England), persecuted Anabaptists as they were deemed too radical and therefore a danger to religious stability. The persecution of Anabaptists was condoned by ancient laws of Theodosius Iand Justinian I that were passed against the Donatists, which decreed the death penalty for any who practised rebaptism. Martyrs Mirror, by Thieleman J. van Braght, describes the persecution and execution of thousands of Anabaptists in various parts of Europe between 1525 and 1660. Continuing persecution in Europe was largely responsible for the mass emigrations to North America by Amish, Hutterites, and Mennonites.​

The modern Lutheran Church has officially apologised for the crimes that its forebears committed against Anabaptists:

https://news.adventist.org/en/all-n...-for-16th-century-persecution-of-anabaptists/

Lutherans apologize for 16th century persecution of Anabaptists

A global Lutheran councill in Germany officially apologized for its 16th century persecution of Anabaptists -- religious reformers whose descendants include Mennonites and whose beliefs profoundly influenced the founders of Seventh-day Adventism.

During a July 22 service of repentance, the Council of the Lutheran World Federation (LWF) voted unanimously in favor of the formal apology, which expresses "deep regret and sorrow" for past persecution and requests forgiveness from both God and the Anabaptist family.

In a foreword in the recent issue of Lutheran World Information, LWF President Mark S. Hanson said the church's repentance is part of the "ministry of reconciliation" Christians are called to as "ambassadors for Christ."

Anabaptists, whose name means "to baptize again," historically urged baptism by immersion for Christians as a public expression of faith and admission into a community of believers -- radically different from the era's common practice of infant baptism.

Anabaptists were also early advocates of separation of church and state, religious liberty and justification by faith. Facing persecution from both Protestants and Catholics in Europe in the 1500s, many found solace in America.​

What universe are you living in?

Do you accept Calvinists and Lutherans as being Christians?

 

[Sanzbir]

Nobody was ever forced to convert to Christianity, only to Catholicism.

What about the Traditional Orthodox and Iconoclast attempts at forcing the other ones??

Or the Anglican Church's push to forcibly convert the Catholic Gaels??

 

[David T]

I am being forced daily to convert to work, only after I am finished and drive away do I convert back!!

 

[Jumi]

Oh really. When where?

Sami people experienced this not that long ago. Of course this was combined with immigration into their traditional areas. They still hold some resentment over that, though most of the population was not even aware of what happened since it was a state and church project of three countries. Kind of like what happened to the native Americans.

 

[Sundance]

That's odd since for the first 1500 years they were the only Christians.

Catholics....and Orthodox Christians.

 

[Jumi]

There's a song that depicts a Sami's resentment what happened to them, though it's on the artistic side.

 

[DavidFirth]

What a load of historical revisionist bollocks.

Even a cursory glance at recorded history demonstrates that both Protestants and Catholics participated in savage persecution of minority groups, for instance the pacifist Anabaptists:

Anabaptism - Wikipedia

Anabaptists were heavily persecuted during the 16th century and into the 17th century by both Magisterial Protestants and Roman Catholics,[a] largely because of their interpretation of scripture which put them at odds with official state church interpretations and with government. Most Anabaptists adhered to a literal interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount which precluded taking oaths, participating in military actions, and participating in civil government...

Roman Catholics and Protestants alike persecuted the Anabaptists, resorting to torture and execution in attempts to curb the growth of the movement. The Protestants under Zwingli were the first to persecute the Anabaptists, with Felix Manz becoming the first martyr in 1527. On May 20 or 21st, 1527, Roman Catholic authorities executed Michael Sattler.[38] King Ferdinand declared drowning (called the third baptism) "the best antidote to Anabaptism". The Tudor regime, even the Protestant monarchs (Edward VI of England and Elizabeth I of England), persecuted Anabaptists as they were deemed too radical and therefore a danger to religious stability. The persecution of Anabaptists was condoned by ancient laws of Theodosius Iand Justinian I that were passed against the Donatists, which decreed the death penalty for any who practised rebaptism. Martyrs Mirror, by Thieleman J. van Braght, describes the persecution and execution of thousands of Anabaptists in various parts of Europe between 1525 and 1660. Continuing persecution in Europe was largely responsible for the mass emigrations to North America by Amish, Hutterites, and Mennonites.​

The modern Lutheran Church has officially apologised for the crimes that its forebears committed against Anabaptists:

https://news.adventist.org/en/all-n...-for-16th-century-persecution-of-anabaptists/

Lutherans apologize for 16th century persecution of Anabaptists

A global Lutheran councill in Germany officially apologized for its 16th century persecution of Anabaptists -- religious reformers whose descendants include Mennonites and whose beliefs profoundly influenced the founders of Seventh-day Adventism.

During a July 22 service of repentance, the Council of the Lutheran World Federation (LWF) voted unanimously in favor of the formal apology, which expresses "deep regret and sorrow" for past persecution and requests forgiveness from both God and the Anabaptist family.

In a foreword in the recent issue of Lutheran World Information, LWF President Mark S. Hanson said the church's repentance is part of the "ministry of reconciliation" Christians are called to as "ambassadors for Christ."

Anabaptists, whose name means "to baptize again," historically urged baptism by immersion for Christians as a public expression of faith and admission into a community of believers -- radically different from the era's common practice of infant baptism.

Anabaptists were also early advocates of separation of church and state, religious liberty and justification by faith. Facing persecution from both Protestants and Catholics in Europe in the 1500s, many found solace in America.​

What universe are you living in?

Do you accept Calvinists and Lutherans as being Christians?

Well, technically speaking, no one can be forced to accept Christ because one has to really believe in Christ in order to be a Christian. But people were forced to "convert," nevertheless, sadly, by saying the words meaninglessly.