Forced Conversion

[Enoch07]

Forced conversion has historical precedents from Abrahamic faiths all the way to Hinduism.

If an authority arrived today and made it mandatory that you convert to a faith that has been branded the only legal religion and forbade you to continue your current religious practices and beliefs, what actions would you take? Would you abandon your current religious beliefs to remain within the confines of the law? Would you defy the authority and continue you current practices? Would you follow the only legal faith publicly but continue to practice your current faith in private? Why?

I could never trust anyone who does want to force anyone to convert to a religion.

Absolutely would not convert.

I would defy authority vehemently.

I would not follow the state mandated religion publicly and then my own in secret.

Principles are important to some people. If you cannot stand for your principles publicly, what good are they for.

 

[Vouthon]

That's convoluded. Zwingli, the first one I looked up was not really accepted by the Protestants. He was more a Catholic looking to make some reforms to Catholicism but not enough to be accepted by Protestants. You were wrong about the first one so I didn't bother reading the rest.

Zwingli was the most important reformer in the Swiss Protestant Reformation.

 

[Kemosloby]

The history of the "conversos" in Spain shows that while there was not the level of force noted in the OP, extreme pressure was applied to Jews to convert and the Inquisition established to enforce that conversion.

Right, conversos wanted to force them to convert to Roman Catholicism. Catholics wanted everybody to convert to Catholicism using as much pressure (which is a type of force) as they could get away with.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Archbishops...basically the same as Catholics. You can include them, Only Catholics and Anglicans ever forced anyone to convert.

If you had bothered to read the whole quote, you would have seen that the Presbyterian Church of Canada and the United Church of Canada* also engaged in forced conversion of indigenous children in these residential schools.

(*for those not familiar with the United Church: it's Canada's largest Protestant denomination and was formed in a merger of churches from the Methodist, Congregationalist, Presbyterian, and Evangelical traditions, among others)

 

[pearl]

There were a lot of Christian heresies early on, and there was the Schism between Catholics and Orthodox Christians somewhere around 1100 or so.

Yes there wee heresies but the Church remained. As far as the Catholic and Orthodox Schism, they were and continue to be the one Catholic church.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Forced conversion is not a part of Judaism or Christianity, ancient or modern, at least those sects that are biblically based.

Which sects do you consider "biblically based"?

 

[YmirGF]

Forced conversion has historical precedents from Abrahamic faiths all the way to Hinduism.

If an authority arrived today and made it mandatory that you convert to a faith that has been branded the only legal religion and forbade you to continue your current religious practices and beliefs, what actions would you take? Would you abandon your current religious beliefs to remain within the confines of the law? Would you defy the authority and continue you current practices? Would you follow the only legal faith publicly but continue to practice your current faith in private? Why?

I would have moved away from paradise long before that ever happened. If by chance they somehow caught up with me I'd likely get myself killed on the spot or arrested and carted away.

 

[Sanzbir]

None of that forcible conversion is biblical. Perhaps they were all somewhat influenced by Catholicism.

Biblical or not, it is forced conversion by non-Catholic Christians.

 

[pearl]

And the government fully backed these forced conversions. We should all hang our heads in shame.


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-dr-randy-s-woodley/native-american-christianity-through-bullets-and-arrows-to-peace_b_1826126.html

The resulting enmeshment of Christianity and Euro-American civilization was the decision that all native religious ceremonies and many cultural practices be outlawed. For almost 100 years, in the name of progress, Native children were forced into government-sponsored, denominationally run boarding schools where many were abused physically, sexually, emotionally and spiritually, and where many of them died. The rallying cry to civilize/Christianize Indigenous children was "kill the Indian, save the child."



Furthermore, Christians conspired with the government to Americanize native people in the name of religion. Rev. Falls, first Native American president of the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma, explains: "The church partnered with the government to run boarding schools that took Native children out of their homes, cut their hair, changed their clothes, and denied them the right to speak in the own language. This led to an attitude that equates Christianity with cultural genocide, an attitude still prevalent today."

http://www.christianpost.com/news/should-evangelicals-apologize-to-native-americans-49429/

 

[Father Heathen]

Forced conversion has historical precedents from Abrahamic faiths all the way to Hinduism.

If an authority arrived today and made it mandatory that you convert to a faith that has been branded the only legal religion and forbade you to continue your current religious practices and beliefs, what actions would you take? Would you abandon your current religious beliefs to remain within the confines of the law? Would you defy the authority and continue you current practices? Would you follow the only legal faith publicly but continue to practice your current faith in private? Why?

The notion of "forced conversion" doesn't make sense it me, as it would obviously be an insincere facade. One can't just simply change what they genuinely believe on a whim.

 

[Sanzbir]

If an authority arrived today and made it mandatory that you convert to a faith that has been branded the only legal religion and forbade you to continue your current religious practices and beliefs, what actions would you take? Would you abandon your current religious beliefs to remain within the confines of the law? Would you defy the authority and continue you current practices? Would you follow the only legal faith publicly but continue to practice your current faith in private? Why?

Opt for false conversion + start a Secret Cult. Paradox hasn't yet patched CK2 since the Monks & Mystics release debacle, and Secret Cults are OP.

 

[Kemosloby]

If you had bothered to read the whole quote, you would have seen that the Presbyterian Church of Canada and the United Church of Canada* also engaged in forced conversion of indigenous children in these residential schools.

(*for those not familiar with the United Church: it's Canada's largest Protestant denomination and was formed in a merger of churches from the Methodist, Congregationalist, Presbyterian, and Evangelical traditions, among others)

Well Canada's protestant churches stink too then. How about that. But Jesus, the Apostles and true Christians never forced anyone to convert.

 

[Kemosloby]

Which sects do you consider "biblically based"?

The Original ones. Peter, Paul, Jesus..The authors of the scriptures.

 

[Kemosloby]

Biblical or not, it is forced conversion by non-Catholic Christians.

Yeah well I don't go to church because I believe they have all been subverted to Masonic, Catholic conformity.

 

[Sanzbir]

Yeah well I don't go to church because I believe they have all been subverted to Masonic, Catholic conformity.

Uh. Okay.

Even the Eastern Orthodox Iconoclast thing I mentioned?? The Catholics were behind that one??

You can't be saying the Masons were behind that, since they didn't exist yet...

 

[Kemosloby]

Uh. Okay.

Even the Eastern Orthodox Iconoclast thing I mentioned?? The Catholics were behind that one??

You can't be saying the Masons were behind that, since they didn't exist yet...

That's all politics. Some Emporer ordered it. But the same sort of mindset as Catholicism. Not really inspired by the Christian Gospel but by the Old testament law. So it's sort of an mix of unbelieving Jew idealogy and Roman authority power to persecute. Not really Christian at all.

 

[Shiranui117]

That's odd since for the first 1500 years they were the only Christians.

Don't forget the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox or the Assyrian Church of the East.

 

[DavidFirth]

Yeah well I don't go to church because I believe they have all been subverted to Masonic, Catholic conformity.

You'd be surprised. I'm a liberal Catholic and there are more of us than you think, I assure you.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well Canada's protestant churches stink too then. How about that. But Jesus, the Apostles and true Christians never forced anyone to convert.

... or put sugar on their oatmeal.

 

[Kemosloby]

... or put sugar on their oatmeal.

Wheat or Barley. Jesus never instructed anyone about oatmeal !!!