Forced Drugging

[averageJOE]

Medicines are forced upon those who do not want them all the time in the USA.

I know, I know. I misspoke. Now you're just beating me up with facts.

 

[columbus]

Never. And no people within a country should allow their government to assume this sort of control over their lives.

Do you realize how many people are in prison due to psychotic behavior that could have been prevented by professionally administered meds?
Tom

 

[dawny0826]

Do you realize how many people are in prison due to psychotic behavior that could have been prevented by professionally administered meds?
Tom

The US is in desperate need of reform in our prison systems. I'm certainly aware that our health care systems fail the mentally ill. No doubt, there are people in prison who need to be in mental institutions to rehabilitate.

Mental illness and behavioral issues are often compounded by addiction, abuse, poverty and other factors that make it harder for individuals to desire and to afford treatment. It certainly complicates rehabilitation.

At the crux of it, the success of mental health therapy is greatly dependent upon a patient's willingness to face their issues and work towards positive change. Our country is very good at creating victims. I personally, don't excuse even the mentally ill for poor decision making, when they're capable of making better choices. One can behave psychotically and not be psychotic at all. We're looking at people who fall on a spectrum.

What of those that can't be rehabilitated and will continue to pose a danger to society? Where do they belong? I'm not sure that we're capable as a society of working that out anytime in the near future.

 

[Lyndon]

Perhaps one of the hardest but best things for a severely mentally ill person (like myself) it to admit that you need to take medication, not just sometimes but every day, many years ago I made that decision, and 8 years ago finally kicked my addiction to marijuana once and for all, the result, my illness is in remission with no hospitalizations AS LONG AS I KEEP TAKING MY MEDICINE AQND STAY SOBER. Mentally ill people can make these decisions, they are not incapable of doing it, but they need all the encouragement they can get, and often the system leaves them high and dry, Its a crime how bad the mentally ill get treated especially when they are using jails to hold people for "Crimes" that are merely symptoms of their illness and need to be treated by doctors, not wardens.

 

[Nous]

With my absence of formal medical training, I'll grant you that I am not a subject matter expert

The OP question does not require "formal medical training" in order to answer it.

I stand by the notion that if someone is so incapacitated mentally that they are unable to care for themselves, it is the responsibility of a caring and just society to help them, even if it means doing something that the person is incapable of understanding is in their best interests while it may be against their will.

So if someone doesn't bathe often enough for your liking, the government should be allowed to forcible administer that person a psychotropic drug?

The Court has never said that the government should be allowed to forcibly drug a person simply because the person is "unable to care for him/herself".

 

[Nous]

If there were a drug that makes incompetent people competent, why not just give it to all the people with Alzheimer's who can't tell you their own names?

Because there is no known drug that helps Alzheimer's.

And apparently you no of no psychotropic drug that has been shown to make an incompetent person competent. Right?

My friend Randy was hugely helped by whatever it was he took.

Do you think you might be able to understand at some point that one cannot determine the effectiveness of any drug on the basis of anecdotes? If so, when might you be able to understand that fact?

 

[Nous]

Without medication I am an incompetent person and would require hospitalization

The questions I have asked here are not answered by anyone's personal and unverifiable stories.

You don't know of any psychotropic drug that has been shown to make an incompetent person competent, do you?

 

[Nous]

Never. And no people within a country should allow their government to assume this sort of control over their lives.

Agree

However, during a pandemic situation, I would not object to the government implementing quarantine or separation of those that were well or agreed to treatment and those who weren't or refused.

Agree again. Of course, treatment for a contagious disease does not entail a psychotropic drug.

 

[columbus]

nd apparently you no of no psychotropic drug that has been shown to make an incompetent person competent. Right?

Wrong.
Tom

 

[Nous]

Wrong.

Then name it, and provide the evidence where the drug was shown to make an incompetent person competent.

 

[columbus]

Then name it, and provide the evidence where the drug was shown to make an incompetent person competent.

I already did.
Tom

 

[Nous]

I already did.

So you feel the need to lie about what you've posted here? You obviously haven't named any drug that has been shown to make an incompetent person competent, nor cited any evidence in which a drug has been shown to make an incompetent person competent.

 

[columbus]

So you feel the need to lie about what you've posted here? You obviously haven't named any drug that has been shown to make an incompetent person competent, nor cited any evidence in which a drug has been shown to make an incompetent person competent.

Says the guy who can't distinguish between Alzheimer's and psychosis?
Tom

 

[Nous]

So you still can't name any psychotropic drug that has been shown to make an incompetent person competent.

It's too bad there isn't a drug that prevents people from lying.

 

[columbus]

So you still can't name any psychotropic drug that has been shown to make an incompetent person competent.

It's too bad there isn't a drug that prevents people from lying.

I did name drugs I know people used that helped them go from a danger to themselves and others to reasonably functional people. But I am not a clinically trained anything. So if you want rigorous data you need to ask someone who is trained.
Tom

 

[Wirey]

The OP question does not require "formal medical training" in order to answer it.

So if someone doesn't bathe often enough for your liking, the government should be allowed to forcible administer that person a psychotropic drug?

The Court has never said that the government should be allowed to forcibly drug a person simply because the person is "unable to care for him/herself".

Comparing someone who's mental faculties preclude self preservation and someone with poor hygiene is a false equivalency, and I believe you know that. Is there any true point to discussing this with you? You don't seem to be interested in an honest answer.

 

[VioletVortex]

No. The government should not have the right to force a medication into someone's body, just as they should not have the right to prevent someone from using a medication.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

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Never. And no people within a country should allow their government to assume this sort of control over their lives.

However, during a pandemic situation, I would not object to the government implementing quarantine or separation of those that were well or agreed to treatment and those who weren't or refused.

no, youll need the the truth before about self and peers before any assumption that includes yourself even if it's a fear thing because many of those already turned out to be hoaxes.

 

[Nous]

Comparing someone who's mental faculties preclude self preservation and someone with poor hygiene is a false equivalency, and I believe you know that. Is there any true point to discussing this with you? You don't seem to be interested in an honest answer.

Provide an "honest answer" to this question: Do you know of any psychotropic drug that has been shown to make an incompetent person competent?

 

[columbus]

and I believe you know that.

You can't always tell what anyone knows.
Especially when they're off their meds.
Tom